FAREWELL JEREMY HOWE

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

42 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Coopers or Jimmy Squires Golden ale or Fat Yak.....

Count me in BB.

Bombay, I don't like your odds, given that he's already facing an uphill battle to be fit for the first few rounds of 2016. Keep in mind that only 28 players kicked 40 or more goals in 2015, with only three of those players playing fewer than 20 matches for the season. I don't think Howe has it in him.

Edited February 10, 2016 by Good Times Grimes

[beelzebub 23,198]

3 minutes ago, Good Times Grimes said:

Bombay, I don't like your odds, given that he's already facing an uphill battle to be fit for the first few rounds of 2016. Keep in mind that only 28 players kicked 40 or more goals in 2015, with only three of those players playing fewer than 20 matches for the season. I don't think Howe has it in him.

shhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!  

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

Just now, beelzebub said:

shhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!  

The bet's already been agreed upon; I'm just giving my two cents!

[Bossdog 2,002]

2 hours ago, nutbean said:

To me he wasn't the best or the worst and for us to move up the ladder we need better.

What I will say that in my decades of watching football I have seen footballers who took big marks regularly  - Barker, the Birdman, Modra, Knights, our Robbo to mention but a few. I don't think, since I have been watching the game, there has been a footballer who takes big marks as frequently.

He was very exciting to watch. However, compare him to a Modra - Modra took a lot of big marks  but they were all close to goal so he could convert the mark into a goal. Howe did not take enough of these marks in areas where he could convert and he does not have enough of anything else to his game. 

Modra was a stay at home full forward and played in an era where players played in set positions.....Howe played a lot in the back line and on a wing as well as forward

Bit unkind to compare

[beelzebub 23,198]

Just now, Good Times Grimes said:

The bet's already been agreed upon; I'm just giving my two cents!

I played nice...agreed to 40...( not his suggested top of 50 )

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

I played nice...agreed to 40...( not his suggested top of 50 )

A more interesting bet might be if he kicks more than 50 BA gets 2 slabs; if he kicks less than 30, BA gives 2 slabs. Not that I'm a betting man...

[beelzebub 23,198]

4 minutes ago, Good Times Grimes said:

A more interesting bet might be if he kicks more than 50 BA gets 2 slabs; if he kicks less than 30, BA gives 2 slabs. Not that I'm a betting man...

I'll stick with whats agreed now

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,217]

44 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Absolutely il go up and say $150 just for another laugh.

Let's just keep it at $100 mate as I have a carton with BB as well.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,217]

13 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

He needed to go, having said that I'm tipping if he plays a full season he will kick between 40-50 goals. Pies have the makings of a dangerous forward line, imagine if Cloke kicked straight all the time, it's either 6 goals 1 or 1 goal 6.

Well I've just woken up (and yes I'm at work....) 

I did say if he plays a full season....

But I then agreed to BB's 40 goals and a bets a bet. 

Game on.

Back to work....

 

 

 

 

[Bonkers 987]

22 hours ago, Good Times Grimes said:

I believe it was an organized competition rather than just a backyard match, which is something that I'm sure is frowned upon by all clubs. Compound that with the fact that he wasn't yet in full training due to injury issues and you can understand why he shouldn't have been playing. 

Regarding it being frowned upon. There has been a group of Richmond players including Grigg & Deledio playing organised competion 20/20 for Endeavour Hills, I believe this was authorized by Richmond. I'm sure there are other instances however I don't know why any club would allow it. Its a recipe for disaster really as Howe has found out. 

[sue 9,006]

34 minutes ago, Bonkers said:

Regarding it being frowned upon. There has been a group of Richmond players including Grigg & Deledio playing organised competion 20/20 for Endeavour Hills, I believe this was authorized by Richmond. I'm sure there are other instances however I don't know why any club would allow it. Its a recipe for disaster really as Howe has found out. 

It seems to me that there is far more chance of getting injured at training than in playing cricket.  The extra risk is probably insignificant.  So why not let players play cricket. I'd draw the line at gridiron.

[nutbean 8,838]

2 hours ago, Bossdog said:

Modra was a stay at home full forward and played in an era where players played in set positions.....Howe played a lot in the back line and on a wing as well as forward

Bit unkind to compare

He only started playing on the wing and back line because after his initial early success up forward he was worked out and form dropped off. Would you agree with that assessment ?

As I said Howe is not the best or the worst. I suppose why there is some angst as in my eyes when Howe burst onto the scene there was so much promise but he hasn't really delivered on that promise. I think his time in the backline has actually been better than his time forward. He was above average in intercept marking. I just don't think he impacts the game enough. During his time in defense he has not been tight enough to be a lock down defender and doesn't provide enough drive to be a running rebounder. 

He was recruited to Collingwood  as forward with the notion that he can play a similar role to Gunston. The major reason why Gunston is so good is he works his backside off. The huge question mark is will Howe work his backside off ? 

[chook fowler 19,251]

13 minutes ago, sue said:

It seems to me that there is far more chance of getting injured at training than in playing cricket.  The extra risk is probably insignificant.  So why not let players play cricket. I'd draw the line at gridiron.

Just ask Starc, Cummins, Pattinson, Coulter- Nile, Finch, not to mention Philip Hughes. Dangerous game cricket.

[Bonkers 987]

8 minutes ago, sue said:

It seems to me that there is far more chance of getting injured at training than in playing cricket.  The extra risk is probably insignificant.  So why not let players play cricket. I'd draw the line at gridiron.

Considering the amount of money spent on developing & training players throughout their careers I would personally expect that players have pretty limited sporting activities outside of training through out their career. I don't see any difference to prohibiting the amount of alcohol consumed after a game for example. If it impacts their health & potential performance then there is scope to control what they can & can't do. I suppose the question is where do you draw the line? Seems silly to me to have a company asset being risked in that environment, if you can control the risk why wouldn't you?

Regarding risk of injury playing cricket, if you are a bowler there is fair chance of injury with your back, feet & muscles. Batting is a bit different & probably less of a risk. There is always a risk of injury whilst fielding dependent on where you are fielding. 

[nutbean 8,838]

Just finished reading the Herald Sun ( and I am now much the worse for having done so) and the two things I took from the articles are

 - his playing that game of cricket wasn't known by the Pies

 - contrary to lots on here, it is certainly not confirmed he broke his finger from the catch - he did a fairly large tumble and came up gingerly rubbing his shoulder 

[sue 9,006]

28 minutes ago, Bonkers said:

Considering the amount of money spent on developing & training players throughout their careers I would personally expect that players have pretty limited sporting activities outside of training through out their career. I don't see any difference to prohibiting the amount of alcohol consumed after a game for example. If it impacts their health & potential performance then there is scope to control what they can & can't do. I suppose the question is where do you draw the line? Seems silly to me to have a company asset being risked in that environment, if you can control the risk why wouldn't you?

Regarding risk of injury playing cricket, if you are a bowler there is fair chance of injury with your back, feet & muscles. Batting is a bit different & probably less of a risk. There is always a risk of injury whilst fielding dependent on where you are fielding. 

Yes, no doubt you can injure yourself playing cricket or tiddlewinks, but my point was it is so much more dangerous playing footy at training that the extra danger of the odd game of cricket is in the noise.  The mental benefit of doing something other than footy may well outweigh the extra risk of physical injury.

[What 18,810]

Was so glad to see the back of this dud in trade period and today was vindication

You backed the wrong horse Jeremy,   have fun with your next coach after Bucks at the circus that is the FIlth

[Deestroy All 14,262]

On that half an hour intro special about Howe, he said Collingwood have a defined role for me, so it'll be good to play forward and wing and use my scoring ability etc...
Nek minnut gets shoved back to defence after doing [censored] all up forward. lol. 

 

I actually think he'd do well in a good team. Just needs to find one. 

[Chook 14,998]

Looking back, Stefan Martin is still the only player I'm sorry to have lost in the last 10 years. He was also the only one I didn't want to lose at the time.

But we shouldn't hate on Howe for leaving us. He grew up a Collingwood supporter for crissakes. Let him rot with his own kind.

Edited April 17, 2016 by Chook

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,363]

Yeah find it hilarious that he left Melbourne because he hates playing in defence.

And then they throw him in defence late in the game because he did stuff all up fwd.

Hes at his best as an intercepting 4th defender but he and Buckley haven't worked that out yet.

[Biffen 12,832]

Totally Agree Chook re the Steffinator.

Otherwise we have sold more lemons to more clubs than Arthur Daley has sold "nice motors".

[Whispering_Jack 29,203]

32 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Yeah find it hilarious that he left Melbourne because he hates playing in defence.

And then they throw him in defence late in the game because he did stuff all up fwd.

Hes at his best as an intercepting 4th defender but he and Buckley haven't worked that out yet.

I learned something new today. I thought he left us to play in a premiership. I don't think it's working out.

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

35 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Yeah find it hilarious that he left Melbourne because he hates playing in defence.

And then they throw him in defence late in the game because he did stuff all up fwd.

Hes at his best as an intercepting 4th defender but he and Buckley haven't worked that out yet.

And stuffed up what he did do up forward

[PaulRB 6,297]

Who?

 

[Salems Lot 2,479]

I loved him when we had him but it is sobering just how ordinary he appears when seen in opposition colours.