Training - Monday 5th January, 2015

[Demi Dee 578]

Oh! H looked great. Great vision, great focus and attack on the ball. Didn't hear him say much, but, he doesn't need too. His actions speak volumes. Think he will reward the trust with his best season ever. If only to stick it to $

[DeeSpencer 25,678]

Wouldn't be surprise if its only back spasms by the sound of it.

I know the physios do a fantastic job but they got the Hogan one wrong last year and it cost him a whole year. Should have just rested him. It was only NAB cup.

Im sure they will be extra cautious with him this summer.

That's not true either. Even if they rested him straight away it could've been his back already had the stress reaction and could've cost him most of the year anyway. We know the Geelong game made him sorer as any game of footy does when you aren't 100%, but we don't know if it actually made the existing injury worse.

[DeeSpencer 25,678]

Its not the physios who diagnose, they treat whatever they are told to by the medicos, if Hogan said he was feeling a bit stiff in the back and not much else, what would the medical specialists on Demonland diagnose

That's not true. The physio's are often first line of call for something like back tightness and will diagnose it. Usually both the docs and physio's evaluate at the same time. Either way, what I hope happened was that he felt better after a bit of treatment, they tested him thoroughly before the game and with no further discomfort he played, only to have the issues post game. If there was nothing at all to indicate a problem requiring rest or further testing then I can understand their decision. I can imagine after a 3 hour training session and a mountain of work that every second player would feel some back tightness at some stage.

The mishandling of Trengove is a far bigger worry to me!

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I think getting Hogan's back wrong is something you can only do once. A second time and you will be out of a job.

and tarred and feathered by the supporters at training

[Rosso 59]

Regarding the 3k time trial, Roosy said towards the end of his pre-season update video

( http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2014-12-22/paul-roos-preseason-update ) that the players would do their 3k time on the Friday of the first week back (this Friday) and that they would be expecting personal bests from pretty much everyone.

Speaking of that video, how tired does Roosy look!! Looks like he hasn't slept for a whole year (which he probably hasn't, given the mess he inherited!!)

Thanks to all those who've posted reports from training, much appreciated. I've been down a few times this pre-season and 2 of the big standouts for me have been Jack Viney and Dom Tyson. Very excited about these guys this year!!

[HEMLOCK 39]

breaking down in training is a concern given that match day will place even greater stress on the body

[waynewussell 5,728]

I think the tall guy in yellow boots was AIS trainee, mentioned names earlier in this thread

[Ethan Tremblay 30,856]

breaking down in training is a concern given that match day will place even greater stress on the body

[chook fowler 19,458]

and tarred and feathered by the supporters at training

I think doing a bit of pruning between the big toes would be a more appropriate penalty.

[The Devil Inside 2,147]

Regarding the 3k time trial, Roosy said towards the end of his pre-season update video

( http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2014-12-22/paul-roos-preseason-update ) that the players would do their 3k time on the Friday of the first week back (this Friday) and that they would be expecting personal bests from pretty much everyone.

Speaking of that video, how tired does Roosy look!! Looks like he hasn't slept for a whole year (which he probably hasn't, given the mess he inherited!!)

Thanks to all those who've posted reports from training, much appreciated. I've been down a few times this pre-season and 2 of the big standouts for me have been Jack Viney and Dom Tyson. Very excited about these guys this year!!

As I posted previously, Nev Jetta is working on bettering his time by 20 seconds, and yes it looks like the time trial will be on Friday

[The Devil Inside 2,147]

That's not true. The physio's are often first line of call for something like back tightness and will diagnose it. Usually both the docs and physio's evaluate at the same time. Either way, what I hope happened was that he felt better after a bit of treatment, they tested him thoroughly before the game and with no further discomfort he played, only to have the issues post game. If there was nothing at all to indicate a problem requiring rest or further testing then I can understand their decision. I can imagine after a 3 hour training session and a mountain of work that every second player would feel some back tightness at some stage.

The mishandling of Trengove is a far bigger worry to me!

Again what mishandling, he has had nothing but bad luck, I asked him, he blames nobody except his foot, he was shattered when he went for the scan pre the trade talks and they found the foot had not healed like it should. At least you can see the point re the tightness, if that is all Hogan said he felt, then with no past history the 'correct' decision was made. Hindsight is wonderful thing

Edited January 5, 2015 by The Devil Inside

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

Popped down briefly this morning. Noticed a couple of outstanding moments.

Watts "Nice gear" to a pass from stretch in the rehab group. The weight, the speed and the sit of the pass brought a smile across his face. He saw the smarts and the skills. A not so subtle difference to the rib cage smashing monsters that Vandenberg was sending down. Although, his skills seemed sound. If he gets his fitness up, he will be a monster through the mid field.

Brayshaw firing a rocket like handball 20m. So fast in comparison to some of the floaters being passed around.

Salem, using both feet with sublime skill. Getting the player to where 'He' wants him. Not where the player feels he wants it. Can't wait to see him start to influence games like that.

Liked a Grimes/Petraka pairing. Saw them finish first in a running/push-up/sit-up drill. Then Grimes get down and do more push ups, Petraka thought he was done, realised and smashed out some more while others still finished. Grimes looked,dare I say it, quick. Albeit, a little thin.

Liked Hogan and Dawes constantly going over their leading patterns and advising each other every time. Their awareness of Garlett is exciting.

Only there for a short while, but, good to see a few there. Can someone tell me who was in the yellow boots. Very Tall. Should know, couldn't pick it.

As frustrating as Dawes can be at times with his inability to take a mark that isn't a chest mark, his leadership and guidance alone make him worth every bloody penny we spent.

Edited January 5, 2015 by The Song Formerly Known As

[hardtack 10,537]

breaking down in training is a concern given that match day will place even greater stress on the body

sorry, I must have missed the post that said he "broke down".

[dazzledavey36 54,861]

Its not the physios who diagnose, they treat whatever they are told to by the medicos, if Hogan said he was feeling a bit stiff in the back and not much else, what would the medical specialists on Demonland diagnose

If he was stiff in the back then the right option would have to just rest him. They made a blue and it shouldn't happn again.

And im sure it won't.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,388]

As frustrating as Dawes can be at times with his inability to take a mark that isn't a chest mark, his leadership and guidance alone make him worth every bloody penny we spent.

Fair call, from reading reports he has slimmed down a touch, need him to play like he did against the Crows more often than not. Time to deliver.

[Allen Jakovich 516]

Hogans back issues are symptomatic. In other words, he complains of tightness, and that is the only thing the physios have to go off. there is nothing "wrong" with his back that shows up on scans, etc. Hopefully one day he learns how to deal with chronic back and hammy tightness but if not I can't see him playing many games of afl sadly.

[daisycutter 29,613]

As frustrating as Dawes can be at times with his inability to take a mark that isn't a chest mark, his leadership and guidance alone make him worth every bloody penny we spent.

nothing personal tsfka but that particular line is becoming very tiresome, even cliched

[McQueen 17,864]

As I posted previously, Nev Jetta is working on bettering his time by 20 seconds, and yes it looks like the time trial will be on Friday

Where is the time trial held and do they have any ball work drills during this session?

[Demon trucker 1,800]

The boys trained really well all flying, over heard some of the boys from Collingwood boys at cafe saying how HL told them that the Dees are really flying and not just what clubs all say, but that he has never seen so many players flying that time of year, said that watts is more competitive then what most people think, all so said Tyson reminds him of a young Dame swan.

Edited January 5, 2015 by not angry anymore

[rjay 24,917]

As frustrating as Dawes can be at times with his inability to take a mark that isn't a chest mark, his leadership and guidance alone make him worth every bloody penny we spent.

He cost us a high draft pick and some good cash. Sorry 'Song' but he really needs to perform on the ground this year and start taking the marks he should then he will be worth every bloody penny well spent.

[BAMF 4,349]

Any news on rookie, James Harmes?

[dazzledavey36 54,861]

He cost us a high draft pick and some good cash. Sorry 'Song' but he really needs to perform on the ground this year and start taking the marks he should then he will be worth every bloody penny well spent.

Agree. While Dawes has provided the on/off field leadership we lacked his on field output has been disappointing.

Needs a big year next year. He has slimmed down, doing his first full pre season in years, will have Hogan and Garlett next to him so I expect atleast the 40 goal mark this year.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Again what mishandling, he has had nothing but bad luck, I asked him, he blames nobody except his foot, he was shattered when he went for the scan pre the trade talks and they found the foot had not healed like it should. At least you can see the point re the tightness, if that is all Hogan said he felt, then with no past history the 'correct' decision was made. Hindsight is wonderful thing

To be fair mate, if he did hold the club responsible at all, there is no way he would mention it to a supporter

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

nothing personal tsfka but that particular line is becoming very tiresome, even cliched

especially since none of us know how true it even is, or how effective it is, it's all just assumptions and vague folklore

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Agree. While Dawes has provided the on/off field leadership we lacked his on field output has been disappointing.

Needs a big year next year. He has slimmed down, doing his first full pre season in years, will have Hogan and Garlett next to him so I expect atleast the 40 goal mark this year.

I'll defend Dawes becuase he was always recruited as second forward to compliment Clark. Whilst there is room for improvement I'm not too concerned by his output so far.