Patrick McCartin

[nutbean 8,837]

You point being? What do you think we should do?

doesn't matter what I think we should pick as the odds are stacked that whoever we pick there will always be someone "we should have picked".( cue Demonland going into meltdown)

What I think we should do - we have started doing last year and have continued ( hallelujah) - we should concentrate heavily and invest in developing the talent we bring in. Roos identified this last year and has gone one step further by bringing in a recognised developer of players in BM.

[DistrACTION Jackson 6,522]

haha I was thinking the same thing

You are aware each club has a different voting system right?

[bing181 8,208]

Jones is 30.

30 what?

He's 26, will be 27 in January.

[Demoneyes 562]

Fyfe was not drafted as a midfielder. It tyrned out ok.

Roos has said he doesnt draft talls.

it is expected that Petracca will go pick one.

I am told we have firm interest in lever and laverde for pick 3. Source called hogan contract extension offer way before the media and luke shuey pursuit before it was in media.

It doesnt matter who you tell this to NSC noone believes it. As we have been saying you will all see come draft day!

[Moonshadow 16,368]

Don't mention Ocean Grove...

I would struggle to name 12 good mids for 2017, that we have now.

Jones is 30. Vince is near the end. Tyson, Viney, Salem, JKH, Newton, Brayshaw, and Kent. That's 9.

They all have to come on - they won't. I hope they all do, they won't. There will be some that come out of nowhere. Maybe Stretch will be ready.

Another class mid needs to be added now IMO.

And of course, there's three more draft/trade periods between now and 2017 where we can add to that list. This year's draft, 2015 and 2016. So those 9 mids will more than likely climb to 11 or 12. Quality of those players is debatable, however.

[BIG JIM 508]

Anyone who thinks macartin will get past our pick 3 is dreaming.

He will go pick 1 or 3 mark my words in 3 weeks feel free to quote my post.

He is a bull and I will be very happy.

[CBDees 3,162]

Anyone who thinks macartin will get past our pick 3 is dreaming.

He will go pick 1 or 3 mark my words in 3 weeks feel free to quote my post.

He is a bull and I will be very happy.

And why wouldn't you be very happy? Brayshaw is a lock for us and we either get Petracca or McCartin. Both St Kilda and us will win out of this draft, whichever way we elect to go [or whatever hand we get dealt by the Saints]!

[picket fence 15,452]

Definitely but none of the midfield names attached with pick 3 fills me with confidence.

Lever is a highly decorated junior but played all his game as a KD and missed 12 months with a knee. Tom Swift was also a highly decorated junior.

Laverde also hasn't played much in the mid.

They may have the tools but with no midfield runs on the board, I find it hard to project. It's not an easy transition to HB to mid (as James Strauss and Christian Howard found).

Hard to say they will be class mids. So do we pick that type even if that type might not be there?

Do we need a mid. Hell yes.

but we need to nail a quality player at 3 regardless of size.

My money is on Pat.

Agree and as I have said before The midfield issues are being addressed ! We also have a better Half Back and Half Forward line to play.

Can I ask this when did we last have a KPF with a bit of Mongrel?? Think probably Nieta and Schwarta! That's it

So we have a chance to grab a kid who has got Mongrel in spades, Takes contested Grabs, Kicks well for goal and is agile!!

PLUS HE MODELS HIS GAME ON TOM HAWKINS AND JON BROWN !!

SHEEIT I'D TAKE HIM JUST FOR HIS AMBITION ALONE!! WHO ELSE IS SO BOLD!?

Forget Lever and Leverde for reasons provided above! we already have enough of these already !

BUT WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS ENOUGH TRUE KPF

If we overlook this kid and someone else takes him and he makes an immediate impact Then several things will happen

I will hark back to the shizen recruiting that saw Ollie Wines become an overnight sensation

I will seriously question our recruiting staff and

I will struggle to continue to support an administration that has got it wrong YET AGAIN!!

Demonland will also go into a complete meltdown!

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,078]

We'd be taking lever or laverde for outside run id reckon which we dont really have (unless toumpas comes on).

[picket fence 15,452]

We'd be taking lever or laverde for outside run id reckon which we dont really have (unless toumpas comes on).

Nup, think Stretch and anyway outside run is not our greatest need IMO

It is a KPF with GRUNT!

[titan_uranus 22,725]

I'd rather us come to 2017 with a really strong midfield and a weak forward line than the other way around.

That is guiding my thought process at the moment.

[Deestroy All 14,262]

Nup, think Stretch and anyway outside run is not our greatest need IMO

It is a KPF with GRUNT!

Heard of Jesse Hogan?

[dazzledavey36 49,176]

Heard of Jesse Hogan?

With 0 AFL games?

[Dee-licious 1,867]

Anyone who thinks macartin will get past our pick 3 is dreaming.

He will go pick 1 or 3 mark my words in 3 weeks feel free to quote my post.

He is a bull and I will be very happy.

I'll quote it now and hope for your sake he goes pick 1, because if he doesn't he thinks he's going to GWS.

[Deestroy All 14,262]

With 0 AFL games?

Your point?

Picket Farce says we need a KPF forward with grunt, I'm pointing out that we have one.

I'm not sure how many AFL games McCartin has played, but I doubt it's more than zero, correct me if I'm wrong.

[CBDees 3,162]

Your point?

Picket Farce says we need a KPF forward with grunt, I'm pointing out that we have one.

I'm not sure how many AFL games McCartin has played, but I doubt it's more than zero, correct me if I'm wrong.

Actually he has played no more than either Hogan or Clark over this last year [and they were both touted as the reason we could only draft mids at this same time last year]!

[bing181 8,208]

If we overlook this kid and someone else takes him and he makes an immediate impact Then several things will happen

I will hark back to the shizen recruiting that saw Ollie Wines become an overnight sensation

I will seriously question our recruiting staff and

I will struggle to continue to support an administration that has got it wrong YET AGAIN!!

Perhaps you could take a leaf out of HH's book, and add to that:

I will never post on Demonland again.

[CBDees 3,162]

We'd be taking lever or laverde for outside run id reckon which we dont really have (unless toumpas comes on).

We have Toumpas, Salem and Stretch just for starters, two of whom are already in the system [and will be much-improved aftter their first full pre-season]. Lever and Laverde are starting from the same position as Stretch and there is absolutely no argument that either will improve our structure to the extent Mccartin will [lining up alongside Hogan]!

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

If we take McCartin with pick 3, what hard inside mids are likely to be in the mix for pick 40?

[dazzledavey36 49,176]

If we take McCartin with pick 3, what hard inside mids are likely to be in the mix for pick 40?

Hopefully a Nick Mellington.

Big inside 188cm midfielder who is already 87kg.

Will be ready to go come round 1

[InVINCEable 358]

Agree and as I have said before The midfield issues are being addressed ! We also have a better Half Back and Half Forward line to play.

Can I ask this when did we last have a KPF with a bit of Mongrel?? Think probably Nieta and Schwarta! That's it

So we have a chance to grab a kid who has got Mongrel in spades, Takes contested Grabs, Kicks well for goal and is agile!!

PLUS HE MODELS HIS GAME ON TOM HAWKINS AND JON BROWN !!

SHEEIT I'D TAKE HIM JUST FOR HIS AMBITION ALONE!! WHO ELSE IS SO BOLD!?

Forget Lever and Leverde for reasons provided above! we already have enough of these already !

BUT WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS ENOUGH TRUE KPF

If we overlook this kid and someone else takes him and he makes an immediate impact Then several things will happen

I will hark back to the shizen recruiting that saw Ollie Wines become an overnight sensation

I will seriously question our recruiting staff and

I will struggle to continue to support an administration that has got it wrong YET AGAIN!!

Demonland will also go into a complete meltdown!

I bet your capital letters persuaded them.

[Redleg 37,931]

Nup, think Stretch and anyway outside run is not our greatest need IMO

It is a KPF with GRUNT!

Agree we have no forward line yet and a good midfield with no forward line will still see scores of 3-4 goals.

[dee-tox 4,829]

I want a player that is a tough mudder fooker. One that believes he should be there. Has the courage of conviction to be the best. Petracca and McCartin seem likely types here.I want other clubs to fear us.

I want the alpha males in this draft crop. AFL football is a tough caper. Let's get the Demon back in Demonland!

Edited November 6, 2014 by dee-tox

[Machsy 2,858]

Hopefully a Nick Mellington.

Big inside 188cm midfielder who is already 87kg.

Will be ready to go come round 1

This is something I no longer care about.

We have enough mature bodies now.

I want the players who will be the best in 3-4 years' time.

What's the point in having a kid that can scrape into the 22 now if that's all he'll ever be able to do?

Being a man child at 18 is not indicative of their development by the age of 22.

[ManDee 7,092]

With 0 AFL games?

Heard of Jesse Hogan?

Only 9 games less than Tom Boyd, and 8 goals behind.