The difference between Picks 23 & 40

[The Stigga 879]

Someone please explain to me the difference between these two picks?

[binman 38,160]

Is this another riddle?

[The Stigga 879]

No, just trying to work out why so many people freaked out about the Frost trade.

[DemonOX 8,530]

Is this another riddle?

For god sake binman change your avatar.

It's too depressing!!

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

Someone please explain to me the difference between these two picks?

17.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Someone please explain to me the difference between these two picks?

16 players fall between P-23 & P-40

16 potential missed opportunities prior to P-40

[SaberFang 7,141]

16 chances for us to bang our head against a wall for the next 20 years lamenting that we missed out on the next Buddy Franklin at pick #25, the next Nat Fyfe at #29, the next Luke Parker at #33, the next Matt Priddis at #37, and so forth.

[Spirit of '87 321]

A chance for MFC's recruiting manager to say "we can't believe that we were able to get player x at pick 40, we thought he'd go in the first round, we would have selected him with pick 23 anyway, so we're no worse off having pick 40" etc.

[CBDees 3,162]

Cockatoo!

[Demon Disciple 10,962]

Someone please explain to me the difference between these two picks?

It's a very thin draft. Talent is decent up until about pick 30ish, then it falls away quite sharply (there will still be some rough diamonds dug up late).

The top 30 this year however, lets just say it's no 'super-draft'. As i said it's a rather shallow draft (so it would seem, won't truly know until a few years down the track)

Edited October 16, 2014 by Demon Disciple

[dee-luded 2,958]

16 chances for us to bang our head against a wall for the next 20 years lamenting that we missed out on the next Buddy Franklin at pick #25, the next Nat Fyfe at #29, the next Luke Parker at #33, the next Matt Priddis at #37, and so forth.

and to that the fact we were stooged again, like a little boy.

the saints sure saw us coming, forced us to cough up a top pick like a seagull with a burning hot chip.

[MadAsHell 4,088]

McDonald instead of Cockatoo.

[Demon Disciple 10,962]

McDonald instead of Cockatoo.

Yeah, i doubt either of them will be there at pick 40.

Chin up though, if we draft Caleb Daniel with that pick i'll be happy!

[The Stigga 879]

16 chances for us to bang our head against a wall for the next 20 years lamenting that we missed out on the next Buddy Franklin at pick #25, the next Nat Fyfe at #29, the next Luke Parker at #33, the next Matt Priddis at #37, and so forth.

Assuming we get those players...

Wow

[rpfc 27,476]

16 chances for us to bang our head against a wall for the next 20 years lamenting that we missed out on the next Buddy Franklin at pick #25, the next Nat Fyfe at #29, the next Luke Parker at #33, the next Matt Priddis at #37, and so forth.

Franklin was ND5, Fyfe was ND20, and Priddis made it to the rookie draft there were so many overlooking him.

The difference, to answer the question, will be the players we will no longer be able to get, but the club with this one deal was able to secure Frost, secure another new player for the list at ND40 and position themselves to go after someone in the PSD or use ND53. 3 for the price of 1.

Oh, and the irony of your handwringing, Lamashtu?

Luke Parker - Selected with the 40th pick in the National Draft in 2010...

[Redleg 37,615]

Cockatoo!

I hope he goes before 23.

[Redleg 37,615]

McDonald instead of Cockatoo.

McDonald instead of Cockatoo.

Has some ability apparently and size. Like the idea of brothers at the club.

Don't hit me with the Cockatoo Collins boys people.

[Redleg 37,615]

Franklin was ND5, Fyfe was ND20, and Priddis made it to the rookie draft there were so many overlooking him.

The difference, to answer the question, will be the players we will no longer be able to get, but the club with this one deal was able to secure Frost, secure another new player for the list at ND40 and position themselves to go after someone in the PSD or use ND53. 3 for the price of 1.

Oh, and the irony of your handwringing, Lamashtu?

Luke Parker - Selected with the 40th pick in the National Draft in 2010...

And as Mahoney said Frost can start training now and that is important for him.

[Sydee 3,617]

16 chances for us to bang our head against a wall for the next 20 years lamenting that we missed out on the next Buddy Franklin at pick #25, the next Nat Fyfe at #29, the next Luke Parker at #33, the next Matt Priddis at #37, and so forth.

I'm still banging my head over Scully, Trengove, Watts, Sylvia, Strauss, McLean, Blease ........... and the list goes on. Early picks have delivered very little over the years

[Whispering_Jack 27,987]

Who knows? Perhaps the recruiting people believe the player who they would choose next is flying under the radar a bit and is likely to be available at pick 40 anyway.

[Clintosaurus 6,440]

Oscar McDonald at #40 would be very good.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Franklin was ND5, Fyfe was ND20, and Priddis made it to the rookie draft there were so many overlooking him.

The difference, to answer the question, will be the players we will no longer be able to get, but the club with this one deal was able to secure Frost, secure another new player for the list at ND40 and position themselves to go after someone in the PSD or use ND53. 3 for the price of 1.

Oh, and the irony of your handwringing, Lamashtu?

Luke Parker - Selected with the 40th pick in the National Draft in 2010...

The irony in his posts aren't all that surprising. Bloke can't see past his nose, just wants to find any way he can to be negative.

[Nasher 33,047]

There is a good chance we'd be looking at the same pool of players anyway. It'll be smaller as some of our options would be gone, but it's likely some of the players we like for 23 will still be there at 40.

I'd love to see some analysis on the "hit rate" of picks in the 20-25 range vs the 38-43 range. I expect it would show not much difference

I'm comfortable with this for the same reason I was comfortable with downgrading early picks for Tyson: draft picks are monumentally overrated by footy fans.

[Jarka 767]

For a pick like 23 you hope that the player will end up being a 200 gamer, but it's obviously not guaranteed.

I'm confident that Frost is going to be a big (pun intended) part of our backline for the next decade, he fits our need, he's already been in the system for a couple of years and is ready to go from day one. St. Kilda would have taken him in the psd, no doubt about it.

We did the right thing.

[Redleg 37,615]

There is a good chance we'd be looking at the same pool of players anyway. It'll be smaller as some of our options would be gone, but it's likely some of the players we like for 23 will still be there at 40.

I'd love to see some analysis on the "hit rate" of picks in the 20-25 range vs the 38-43 range. I expect it would show not much difference

I'm comfortable with this for the same reason I was comfortable with downgrading early picks for Tyson: draft picks are monumentally overrated by footy fans.

In our case over the last 8-10 years that is very true. Most of our early selections are either gone or not doing a lot. We seem to have had more success later in drafts.

I am not sure why this is other than to select badly early on when the pressure is on to get it right. Later picks are more speculative with less expectation attached.

I hope to god we get 2 & 3 right. If we take as suggested Brayshaw and Lever we need them to become very good footballers for us.

I certainly have more faith now than I did with the previous recruiters.

While Petracca seems to be universally accepted as the standout, so was Boyd last year, that bloke at GWS on the big money and others and so far they have been underwhelming.

The beauty of it is we have a free run at who we want now and there should be no excuses.