Is the Tank alive?

[PaulRB 6,362]

Was reading about the Saints and Tigers fighting for the wooden spoon in The Age and it seems odd that the Tigers, a team "on the rise" should now be being speculated to win the spoon... Likewise the Saints, who played finals just 2 1/2 seasons ago (2011).

But then I remembered the Herald Sun article noting that the first two likely draft picks will land big Key Position Forwards (McCartin, Wright).

So I put two and two together and got Tank.

As the only club to have ever been called for tanking, are these clubs doing enough to avoid joining our ignoble ranks?

Edited June 26, 2014 by PaulRB

[nutbean 8,838]

Was reading about the Saints and Tigers fighting for the wooden spoon in The Age and it seems odd that the Tigers, a team "on the rise" should now be being speculated to win the spoon... Likewise the Saints, who played finals just 2 1/2 seasons ago (2011).

But then I remembered the Herald Sun article noting that the first two likely draft picks will land big Key Position Forwards (McCartin, Wright).

So I put two and two together and got Tank.

As the only club to have ever been called for tanking, are these clubs doing enough to avoid joining our ignoble ranks?

Don't you remember - we didn't get done for tanking....we got done for....can someone please remind me ?

[praha 11,240]

I can see the Saints winning. Richmond looked like a team lost against the Swans. Were in it the whole game but never looking like winning. They are very much down on confidence. If the Saints get a 3-4 goal lead they won't blow it.

[KingDingAling 3,757]

These sides aren't tanking and won't tank.

There is no priority pick.

St Kilda might fast track kids towards the end of the year, but they need to.

I think the Saints had a real chance to turn their list over in 2011-12, and gain some real quality kids.

In highsight, I think even their captain would agree. Now they have Riewoldt going to waste in their forward line - and they also lack quality talent.

Ross Lyon might a good tactician and game day coach, but his ability to manage a list leaves little to be desired.

Not sure Richmond would tank for Wright or McCartin given how well Vickery turned out.

I think Richmond are in an unfortunate position, in that they have good mids, but by the time their develop a couple of KP players - those mids won't be as effective.

[Ted Lasso 19,513]

i would like to see Richmond trade some underperforming players for an improved draft position, their list is just simply shithouse

If richmond could gain a couple of picks in the top 5 they could seriously improve their list for the long term

[KingDingAling 3,757]

i would like to see Richmond trade some underperforming players for an improved draft position, their list is just simply shithouse

If richmond could gain a couple of picks in the top 5 they could seriously improve their list for the long term

Yes, but they'd need to move Cotchin or lids on for that to happen.

Martin should be their only 'untouchable'.

I'd move on both Lids and Cotchin, they don't add a lot when needed.

They aren't going to take the club to a flag.

[Ted Lasso 19,513]

Yes, but they'd need to move Cotchin or lids on for that to happen.

Martin should be their only 'untouchable'.

I'd move on both Lids and Cotchin, they don't add a lot when needed.

They aren't going to take the club to a flag.

they won't move on either but if Brisbane offered them pick 1 for either they should take it because McCartin is just what the tigers need.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,817]

I doubt the dogs would be tanking. Intact I reckon they'll be desperate to get the points against us.

[whatwhat say what 22,747]

tigers need to ship deledio out.

they can't lose cotchin or martin - their captain and their best player - but i just don't see lids as a must-keep.

[Demon Disciple 12,122]

Seeing as how all teams around us on the ladder are after talls, whilst we are after mids, i couldn't give a stuff where they finish or what they do, the mids will be there at pick 4 or pick 7/8.

So couldn't care less.

[rjay 24,919]

i would like to see Richmond trade some underperforming players for an improved draft position, their list is just simply shithouse

If richmond could gain a couple of picks in the top 5 they could seriously improve their list for the long term

I wouldn't. I'm happy for them to keep screwing up.

[Sir Why You Little 37,034]

Let's see Wilson write a few story on her Tigers with a Yellow and Black Tank emblazened across the front page of her workplace.

Never Forget...

[dee-luded 2,959]

Was reading about the Saints and Tigers fighting for the wooden spoon in The Age and it seems odd that the Tigers, a team "on the rise" should now be being speculated to win the spoon... Likewise the Saints, who played finals just 2 1/2 seasons ago (2011).

But then I remembered the Herald Sun article noting that the first two likely draft picks will land big Key Position Forwards (McCartin, Wright).

So I put two and two together and got Tank.

As the only club to have ever been called for tanking, are these clubs doing enough to avoid joining our ignoble ranks?

the Tank is currently very Much alive this season...

12 Carltank

13 Wst-Bulldogs

14 GWS

15 Melbourne

16 Richmond

17 Brisbane

18 St-Kilda

* MnM is imo flat out with a bad case of the blues, so far this reason. [Doin another Pies double take 2005] http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2005&t=N&s=P . There is a re-list reno going on, out princess pool way. They need to replace Waite, & gain some more, as well. I expect them to try to trade as well.

* Bully's hard to tell.

* GWS are bucking this trend.

* We are fluctuating in form a bit.

* Tiggers of old, are like they've been skinned alive. They need assistance. If they were trying to tank they'd probably be 9th again.

* Lions are at a loss, after losing those players last year. They deserve some assistance after the Den was raided.

* The Sainters imo are trying to imitate a 2004 model Pelchen Hawk swooping... http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2004&t=N&s=P

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Edited June 26, 2014 by dee-luded

[Earl Hood 6,086]

Don't you remember - we didn't get done for tanking....we got done for....can someone please remind me ?

NB we got done for thinking about it as I remember. We didn't do anything on game day, no it was that Bails had bad thoughts and didn't choose the best side for game day. Look you best talk to Gillion Mc for the full story, he had to deliver the verdict at the time. And he was less than convincing.

Edited June 26, 2014 by Earl Hood

[DeeSpencer 25,687]

St Kilda's whole season has been tanked.

Goddard and (for what it's worth Zac Dawson) gone, then last year Dal Santo and McEvoy. They've watched a bunch of senior players go out the door trying as hard as they can to get as many early draft picks as quick as possible. And who can blame them, it's how the ended up going to consecutive grand finals.

They'd be stupid to put in all that effort to be bad and then have a couple of cheap wins ruin their shot at finding the future key forward they need to replace Riewoldt.

[dee-luded 2,959]

St Kilda's whole season has been tanked.

Goddard and (for what it's worth Zac Dawson) gone, then last year Dal Santo and McEvoy. They've watched a bunch of senior players go out the door trying as hard as they can to get as many early draft picks as quick as possible. And who can blame them, it's how the ended up going to consecutive grand finals.

They'd be stupid to put in all that effort to be bad and then have a couple of cheap wins ruin their shot at finding the future key forward they need to replace Riewoldt.

I reckon they'll (saints) finish 2nd bottom. I don' think they want the spoon. Watch to see the battle of the Lions & the Christians, as soon as they are gapped by the rest of the ladder.

[whatwhat say what 22,747]

saints are a shot to beat richmond; i could definitely see the latter finishing the season stone motherless. it would be sweet, but a shame that they'd get pick 1...

well, 'cept the lions are the bears, and they're destined to prop up the ladder.

[Adam The God 30,239]

they won't move on either but if Brisbane offered them pick 1 for either they should take it because McCartin is just what the tigers need.

And just what Brisbane need with Jono Brown done and dusted. Can't see it happening, mate.

My concern with Richmond and Carlton down near the bottom is that they'll be able to outbid us for the likes of Shiel and Treloar with their first rounders.

[Supermercado 2,797]

We're playing Frawley up front and Dunn in the backline - when does our next $500k fine arrive?

[beelzebub 23,364]

Don't you remember - we didn't get done for tanking....we got done for....can someone please remind me ?

Bad jokes !!!

[dee-luded 2,959]

And just what Brisbane need with Jono Brown done and dusted. Can't see it happening, mate.

My concern with Richmond and Carlton down near the bottom is that they'll be able to outbid us for the likes of Shiel and Treloar with their first rounders.

Carlton are desperate for a Key Tall, imo ahead of mids. They need both, but I would be surprised to see them grab a mid sized player first in this draft. they need support for Henderson. Talls take longer to mature, so I reckon they'll grab an advanced one. imo they'll go Tall first then mids.

We need both as well, but with a Mid first priority, then a KeyTall utility, next.

After that we need runners, with some speed, balance, elite kick, strong decision makers, strong in the air.

# I would be surprised to see Treloar leave GWS, at least at this stage... He's playing with focus & commitment, from the little I saw, a committed player. Shiel looks like he's coasting along. I think he's outa there.

[Tony Tea 2,809]

Of course the tank is alive. It's just a matter of how alive. The medical name is "album procuratio". Most clubs exhibit minor symptoms, but Melbourne was covered in a self inflicted livid rash.

[chook fowler 19,458]

With the way football has evolved the tanking fine seems more and more ridiculous and shows how lacking in spine the administration at the time was for putting up with it. Couldn't imagine Bruce Little from Essendon accepting it - or Peter Jackson for that matter.

[Tony Tea 2,809]

With the way football has evolved the tanking fine seems more and more ridiculous and shows how lacking in spine the administration at the time was for putting up with it. Couldn't imagine Bruce Little from Essendon accepting it - or Peter Jackson for that matter.

Paul says "G'day, Bruce."

[Nasher 33,615]

With the way football has evolved the tanking fine seems more and more ridiculous and shows how lacking in spine the administration at the time was for putting up with it. Couldn't imagine Bruce Little from Essendon accepting it - or Peter Jackson for that matter.

Taking inspiration from Little seems a tad misguided to me.