Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

On the bomber boards someone has said it is SARMS they were using. If so, this is really bad [censored]. Looking through what it does and how it works, I would put it in the massively high risk category for long-term impact on your health and probably some forms of cancer. I really hope they haven't been stupid enough to go down that path.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Does it cure old age?

[Tatu 416]

I'm not joking. A poster over at Bomberblitz claims he is.

he's probably just trying to connect MFC's name to the story.... If he says it enough.... The AFL media will blame us, for the bombers bad deeds....

[McQueen 17,864]

Somehow I reckon Adrian Anderson would have a bit of a spring in his step today.

[sue 8,463]

This waiver, if true, is mind boggling regardless of any illegal drug issue. What could it be? Player signs he won't sue the club if the supplement (or whatever) is later linked to some disease in 20 years? Any suggestions?

[Cards13 9,117]

Not one player manager was aware of it... Shocking

[old dee 22,947]

What surprises me more is that not one player raised his concerns with James or Bomba, surely if they were asked to sign a waiver they would have had to think it wasn't completely above board.

I agree RobbieF it beggars belief that no one put up their hand.

There is a long way to go on this story.

My worry is that it will delay our problem being finalised.

[mjt 640]

On the bomber boards someone has said it is SARMS they were using. If so, this is really bad [censored]. Looking through what it does and how it works, I would put it in the massively high risk category for long-term impact on your health and probably some forms of cancer. I really hope they haven't been stupid enough to go down that path.

They pump that crap into baby yearlings, and stanazol.

[Whispering_Jack 28,023]

I haven't been following this story during the day but I can't help but think about the suspension meted out to the Casey Scorpions player Wade Lees - AFL aspirant Wade Lees' 18-month ban for using performance-enhancing drugs will not be ramped up

In Wade's case, he copped an 18 month ban for "attempted use of a prohibited substance violation'' after unwittingly ordering a fat burning product from the US. He didn't know that it contained banned steroids and didn't even get the product and he didn't have the benefit of the education on drug use that AFL players get.

It will be interesting to see how this is handled.

[beelzebub 22,269]

"Interesting" is the years best understatement WJ

[Guest José Mourinho]

Ok, just got off the phone with a friend who is in the inner sanctum at another very well resourced club, who have a few ex-staff at Essendon.

Apparently the players were taking a substance that is legal only in certain circumstances in the process of recovering from certain injuries.

The rest of the time the drug is prohibited.

It was an attempt to exploit a narrow loophole.

You could say it was akin to Alistair Lynch taking steroids as part of his treatment for CFS.

The paperwork may or may not have something to do with a declaration that you have suffered from that particular injury.

I may be able to get more details tomorrow.

[Tatu 416]

Wilson has called for CS to be sacked. He was seen walking past a Bombers membership tent last year.

she put all her eggs in the tanking basket..... But missed Adelaide's salary cap cheating and now essenbong's drug cheating..... Lol..... What else has she missed due to her obsession?

[Redleg 37,908]

I haven't been following this story during the day but I can't help but think about the suspension meted out to the Casey Scorpions player Wade Lees - AFL aspirant Wade Lees' 18-month ban for using performance-enhancing drugs will not be ramped up

In Wade's case, he copped an 18 month ban for "attempted use of a prohibited substance violation'' after unwittingly ordering a fat burning product from the US. He didn't know that it contained banned steroids and didn't even get the product and he didn't have the benefit of the education on drug use that AFL players get.

It will be interesting to see how this is handled.

Major club, President son of former AFL Commission Chairman, poster boy Coach, yes this will be interesting.

IF they were prohibited substances and Bomber players used them, unlike Wade Lees who never actually used anything but got 18 months, one would expect a harsher penalty, for each player who used the substances.

You can bet London to a brick that Bomber players won't be suspended, nor will Caroline Wilson call for the Chairman, CEO or Coach's sacking. The rich club will be fined, which won't mean a thing to it and some Official or Officials will cop a penalty.

BTW a disgruntled ex-player in Reimers has added salt to the wound, in an interview with Damien Barrett. Possibly more ex players or officials to follow. Where have we seen that happen before?

Edited February 5, 2013 by Redleg

[Whispering_Jack 28,023]

What really cheeses me off is that this is the only club that we routinely beat and in fact, until these revelations, it was the only non-Mickey Mouse club that we beat in 2012. Now, I can't even say that.

[old dee 22,947]

Major club, President son of former AFL Commission Chairman, poster boy Coach, yes this will be interesting.

IF they were prohibited substances and Bomber players used them, unlike Wade Lees who never actually used anything but got 18 months, one would expect a harsher penalty, for each player who used the substances.

You can bet London to a brick that Bomber players won't be suspended, nor will Caroline Wilson call for the Chairman, or Coach's sacking. The rich club will be fined, which won't mean a thing to it and some Official or Officials will cop a penalty.

BTW a disgruntled ex-player in Reimers has added salt to the wound, in an interview with Damien Barrett. Possibly more ex players or officials to follow. Where have we seen that happen before?

Redleg I have been listening to 3AW they have a sports lawyer on

He is saying that it is out of the AFL's hands.

The AFL are a signature to Asada ( probably spelt wrong ) and as such if they find against the Bombers players they will be suspended for 2+ years and the AFL will have no say.

That raises the game

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

Major club, President son of former AFL Commission Chairman, poster boy Coach, yes this will be interesting.

IF they were prohibited substances and Bomber players used them, unlike Wade Lees who never actually used anything but got 18 months, one would expect a harsher penalty, for each player who used the substances.

You can bet London to a brick that Bomber players won't be suspended, nor will Caroline Wilson call for the Chairman, CEO or Coach's sacking. The rich club will be fined, which won't mean a thing to it and some Official or Officials will cop a penalty.

BTW a disgruntled ex-player in Reimers has added salt to the wound, in an interview with Damien Barrett. Possibly more ex players or officials to follow. Where have we seen that happen before?

Yep, you can bet it'll just be a fine, especially if banning a large number of players would prohibit Essendon from fielding a team.

The AFL is nothing if not consistently inconsistent.

Edit: did not see the post above. Still think the statement about the AFL stands in general though.

Edited February 5, 2013 by Choke

[P-man 13,239]

What will be the implications for the Brownlow? Potential hand over to T Cotchin and S Mitchell?

[old dee 22,947]

Yep, you can bet it'll just be a fine, especially if banning a large number of players would prohibit Essendon from fielding a team.

The AFL is nothing if not consistently inconsistent.

Edit: did not see the post above. Still think the statement about the AFL stands in general though.

With ASADA involved the AFL cannot over ride them.

If they were to decide that players etc should be suspended then the AFL cannot over ride that decision.

If the Bombers end up guilty they are in deep pooh pooh.

The AFL cannot say to ASADA sorry fellas the players can continue with a fine.

[sue 8,463]

Ok, just got off the phone with a friend who is in the inner sanctum at another very well resourced club, who have a few ex-staff at Essendon.

Apparently the players were taking a substance that is legal only in certain circumstances in the process of recovering from certain injuries.

The rest of the time the drug is prohibited.

It was an attempt to exploit a narrow loophole.

You could say it was akin to Alistair Lynch taking steroids as part of his treatment for CFS.

The paperwork may or may not have something to do with a declaration that you have suffered from that particular injury.

I may be able to get more details tomorrow.

That is one explanation of whatever was signed (if anything) - better than the one I suggested about never from suing the club. But wouldn't it look very suspicious if the entire team claimed to all be suffering the same injuries?

[Guest José Mourinho]

We dig into the archives to find out a little more about Stephen Dank

WHO IS STEPHEN DANK?

...

- it is believed Dank has since taken up a role at a different AFL club.

Any ideas?

Did I see someone post earlier that it was us?

I thought some of our boys seemed to be putting on a lot of size ...

[Guest José Mourinho]

That is one explanation of whatever was signed (if anything) - better than the one I suggested about never from suing the club. But wouldn't it look very suspicious if the entire team claimed to all be suffering the same injuries?

Exactly.

[P-man 13,239]

2012/13 off-season: Tanking vs Danking

Suddenly things don't seem quite as bad.

[bing181 8,191]

With ASADA involved the AFL cannot over ride them.

No, but I believe that the AFL can appeal any bans to the CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sport). It's a bit like in the Armstrong case, where there was conjecture that the UCI (the governing body for cycling) would appeal the bans applied by Armstrong's drug authority, USADA.

The big boys, WADA, can also get involved and override ASADA if they feel that any ASADA response is too lenient (or hasn't followed correct procedure).

Interesting times.

[bing181 8,191]

This waiver, if true, is mind boggling regardless of any illegal drug issue.

Mind-boggling indeed! And there are some here who criticise the way we handled "not deliberately trying to win". At least people weren't asked to sign waivers.

Edited February 5, 2013 by bing181

[Robot Devil 1,895]

Bet they wish they hadn't cut the Bendigo VFL team loose for this season.

A few of those players could have stepped up for a few extra bucks.