Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[beelzebub 23,382]

how are ASADA compromised BB?

they have shown little ( npi) will of their own to push forward.Seems only WADA pushing behind as being really interested.

Its up to ASADA to pursue Dank...nothing to date ....why not ? The longer they leave it the easier it is to 'lose' evidence for Dank.

Sure some might say...there's an optimum , or oportune time. Seems ASADA has no ticker... somethings not right.

[Wolfmother 182]

The US cycling authorities were said to have been involved in the cover up for Lance Armstrong but the USADA got its man in the end.

Although it is said that it USADA was a government organisation(some reason they are independent to the government and don't answer to a minister etc) they wouldn't have got Armstrong because it would of been curtailed... Although this is too big because of admissions etc look at the way wylie can influence the result in OZ

[Moonshadow 17,677]

AFL's main man Vlad comes out and says Hird will not work or be paid by either the Bummers or the AFL for 12 mths and then it comes out that, in fact, the paid bit was not included in the written penalty. Is this correct? Either this error was intended or is completely amateurish. It makes the AFL look unprofessional and Vlad's position almost untenable IMO.

[daisycutter 29,732]

AFL's main man Vlad comes out and says Hird will not work or be paid by either the Bummers or the AFL for 12 mths and then it comes out that, in fact, the paid bit was not included in the written penalty. Is this correct? Either this error was intended or is completely amateurish. It makes the AFL look unprofessional and Vlad's position almost untenable IMO.

it doesn't say much for his legal team, or GM or the afl commission either

[beelzebub 23,382]

tail's wagging the dog as the fido has no balls

[Undeeterred 3,124]

Aaaand, here comes the next instalment of the concerted spin campaign in Hird's favour.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/weapon-to-blame-bombers-20131205-2yu08.html

[Undeeterred 3,124]

Pretty hilarious that they can find piles of invoices to put into evidence when they're defending themselves against an unfair dismissal claim, but they can't find any records of anything else.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

My clear understanding is that ASADA operates under his Sports Integrity Commission. So why the hell is he involved in brokering a deal?

That is not correct.

ASADA reports directly to the Minister for Sport and not via the "Sports Integrity Commission". I think you mean the Australian Sports Commission.

Given the extreme circumstances of the situation, I dont think it is unreasonable to have had someone like Wylie from outside the AFL broker a deal to diffuse the deadlock.

they have shown little ( npi) will of their own to push forward.Seems only WADA pushing behind as being really interested.

Its up to ASADA to pursue Dank...nothing to date ....why not ? The longer they leave it the easier it is to 'lose' evidence for Dank.

Sure some might say...there's an optimum , or oportune time. Seems ASADA has no ticker... somethings not right.

In other words you dont know.

And if Danks was going to "lose" evidence it would have been "lost" by now.

It is curious why Danks has not been brought before ASADA. And I dont know the answer. And you certainly dont.

How about we wait for the facts?

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

AFL's main man Vlad comes out and says Hird will not work or be paid by either the Bummers or the AFL for 12 mths and then it comes out that, in fact, the paid bit was not included in the written penalty. Is this correct? Either this error was intended or is completely amateurish. It makes the AFL look unprofessional and Vlad's position almost untenable IMO.

Its not a good look for the AFL but it hardly makes Vlad any more untenable unless it could be establish as fact that he consorted with EFC to allow this to happen.

The AFL may have been careless but this should in no way detract from the dishonest, disreputable and appalling conduct of EFC and people like Paul Little, Hird, Thompson and co.

Its breathtaking how conceited and unscrupulous EFC have been. The damage they have done to the AFL brand and the game has been enormous.

[beelzebub 23,382]

It is curious why Danks has not been brought before ASADA. And I dont know the answer.

Your contribution to the discussion, we'll leave it there.

[biggestred 5,138]

ASADA Disclosure Notice revealed to break 10-month stalemate in banned substances

Maybe they aren't ready to interview Dank as they want to have everything else locked away first.

[beelzebub 23,382]

ASADA Disclosure Notice revealed to break 10-month stalemate in banned substances

Maybe they aren't ready to interview Dank as they want to have everything else locked away first.

I understand this perspective but it is to me like leaving the prime suspect in a murder to last.

Surely you would have dragged his but in as early as you could. The longer you leave anything the weaker you risk being. Why for instance would you not grab him under ASADA provisions and later allow the ACC to hammer a nail also

[jnrmac 20,185]

I understand this perspective but it is to me like leaving the prime suspect in a murder to last.

Surely you would have dragged his but in as early as you could. The longer you leave anything the weaker you risk being. Why for instance would you not grab him under ASADA provisions and later allow the ACC to hammer a nail also

I think it happens often that the prime suspect has a perfunctory interview and when all of the other evidence is gathered they go back to the PS armed with a lot more information and detailed questions. At least that's what watching years of CSI tells me ha ha

That they haven't yet spoken to him (or maybe it just hasn't been publicly stated) is mystifying.

[CBDees 3,167]

Its not a good look for the AFL but it hardly makes Vlad any more untenable unless it could be establish as fact that he consorted with EFC to allow this to happen.

The AFL may have been careless but this should in no way detract from the dishonest, disreputable and appalling conduct of EFC and people like Paul Little, Hird, Thompson and co.

Its breathtaking how conceited and unscrupulous EFC have been. The damage they have done to the AFL brand and the game has been enormous.

Hird must have some serious dirt on Essendon for them to acquiese to continue paying him a $Million per year for a contract when he surely must be in breach of (by not being able to provide coaching services from his end). I cannot believe that even Essendon would have signed a contract for $1Million per year with the option of provision of (coaching) services from the other party (Hird). This is a complete travesty, especially in the light of the AFL's double standards on the matter of bringing the game into disrepute as RR points out above. The AFL punish us for something they found us not guilty of then claim that they are giving us some assistance by facilitating Roos and Jackson yet they decline us PPs in a year when we win only two games (in the first un-compromised draft for three years)!

Demitriou must be sacked for his categoric statement on 3AW denying that Hird was being paid by Essendon. He was either lying or he has no idea about the enquiry outcome, both reasons for getting rid of him.

[Sir Why You Little 37,124]

Hird still (demanding) to be paid a Million big ones whilst banned from coaching after being in charge during 2012.

The AFL stipulate he must not be paid whilst the ban is imposed, but nothing in writing!!

What an absolute circus of amateur governance.

[hardtack 10,626]

ASADA Disclosure Notice revealed to break 10-month stalemate in banned substances

Maybe they aren't ready to interview Dank as they want to have everything else locked away first.

I'm sure I read in an article a couple of weeks ago (I think it was), that ASADA would be "inviting" (read "dragging") Danks before them in January.

[DemonFrog 1,356]

Well let get out lawyers on getting back our $500,000 fine for not actually Tanking.

If the AFL governance is so bad due to job for the boys, we must have a great chance of finding a loop hole or 20 and be $500,000 richer.

I may have an opposing view to many here, but I think its great MessyDrugs is paying for two senior coaches. Bleed the cheaters of cash is a very positive thing to do IMO.

[PJ_12345 1,098]

ASADA Disclosure Notice revealed to break 10-month stalemate in banned substances

Maybe they aren't ready to interview Dank as they want to have everything else locked away first.

Ultimately with what has been leaked and published, anything Dank says will incriminate him.

My guess is that they are building the case in a way that they pre-Dank interview they will have enough to charge him with something and then give him a deal for the truth on Hird/EFC and all the 'lost' documents on who received what.

[beelzebub 23,382]

I think it happens often that the prime suspect has a perfunctory interview and when all of the other evidence is gathered they go back to the PS armed with a lot more information and detailed questions. At least thats what watching years of CSI tells me ha ha

That they haven't yet spoken to him (or maybe it just hasn't been publicly stated) is mystifying.

This what mystifies me also. I would have thought interviewing Dank was part of the evidence gathering in itself not some goal at the end of it.

[jazza 1,323]

dank maybe under investigation from another federal organisation

this could be the hold up as other cases and investigations run their course

most football people think the Essendon saga is the number one priority

but federal law enforcement would be working on a different outcome of events for many people not just asada and AFL

[PaulRB 6,411]

Its been too long for us, but Clubs tend to give their Premiership Captains the keys to the club.

Essendon no different to us in this regard, i.e. Ron Barassi...

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Jim Stynes? Although not a captain....a leader.

[Whispering_Jack 30,639]

I think part of the reason for the delay in getting to Dank is the fact that the interrogators want to be in the best possible position to question him and they therefore need to gather evidence from all of the other parties first - the players, coaches, football department people, doctors and chemists. And let's not forget that his activities cover the two codes.

If the interrogators are good they will be weaving a spider's web for this individual to fall into when the time comes. Anyone who's read the Baker and McKenzie interview of him in the Age from earlier this year would know that Dank has already dug a couple of holes for himself and, as a result, for the Essendon players who were the recipients of his work whilst at the club.

[Akum 2,660]

Ultimately with what has been leaked and published, anything Dank says will incriminate him.

My guess is that they are building the case in a way that they pre-Dank interview they will have enough to charge him with something and then give him a deal for the truth on Hird/EFC and all the 'lost' documents on who received what.

This seems the best explanation to me.

WADA must have dealt with people in Dank's position before - he has all the information, but for a number of reasons will be extremely reluctant to cough it up. They would know the best way to handle someone in his position.

It may be that they'll use Dank more to confirm information they already know from others, rather than to rely on him to tell them where they need to look. They'll only get information from him if he feels he's not going to get himself into any more trouble by spilling the beans, and they'll probably want him to tell them more about other people's involvement rather than his own.

They have to handle him very carefully.

[Sydney Pennski 299]

I think part of the reason for the delay in getting to Dank is the fact that the interrogators want to be in the best possible position to question him and they therefore need to gather evidence from all of the other parties first - the players, coaches, football department people, doctors and chemists. And let's not forget that his activities cover the two codes.

If the interrogators are good they will be weaving a spider's web for this individual to fall into when the time comes. Anyone who's read the Baker and McKenzie interview of him in the Age from earlier this year would know that Dank has already dug a couple of holes for himself and, as a result, for the Essendon players who were the recipients of his work whilst at the club.

But Dank has said he will fight ASADA's attempts to interview him in court. What if he wins?