Wellingham/Dawes super trade (scuppered)

[Sir Why You Little 34,443]

"This bloke won't aggle"

"Won't aggle?"

"Oh tell me what to say please"....

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

We are getting absolutely shafted by the pies over these so called super trades! what the ^&*% is neeld thinking?! The pies have brought in a 30yr old has been to replace this guy we are willing to give pick 4 for!!!!

[diesel 420]

The title of this thread and Age story are misleading. The names Wellingham & Dawes should not be associated with the phrase "super trade". Sounds like something straight out of Collingwood's media dept. I understand the pies will want to boost the stock of these blokes but as others have mentioned they are spare parts hence that's why Collingwood are willing to part with them.

We should walk away now and let it pan out between Collingwood & West Coast and just keep a mild interest in Dawes. Keeping in mind that the bloke they've just recruited to replace Dawes walked from his club and was picked up as an FA tells me Dawes has stuff all value despite Eddie's B & F pillow fluffing of his value. Pick 13 is way over the odds, though I accept we will pay a higher price given our mediocre list he's a late 2nd round max.

[Wells 11 4,704]

It sounds to me as if they've missed some of the bigger free agents they'd hoped for, to get much needed experience and attitude into the list.

So now I think we are desperate to get the second tier experience in and are thinking of overpaying to do it. 

This seems now about protecting Neelds coaching group long enough to get some success and supporter support for our current list/culture plans.

Don't do it Neeldy and Melbourne. 

In boxing parlance, there's a time to duck and a time to weave.  Get it arse about and you get hurt. 

We've been on the wrong cycle for around 10 years now, ducking when we should have weaved.  The strategy was right but the the people making the decisions were wrong and we were 180 degrees out of cycle.

We bootomed in the years we should have been up, draft wise.

The Pies had they're recruiting team on song and lucked out to get Thomas and Pendlebury.  They got it right.

# when you're desperate, and realised you've made many mistakes sometimes the over-correction is deadly...  you can change course at the wrong time!

Now isn't the time to give up on the early picks in this draft ...

We don't have to have Wellingham.

Dawes would be handy for a 2nd Rnd pick, or + a player exchange.

Pick 3, pick 4 & pick 13 should be kept & used for class.

We can take the mature players we can this year,,, & if we don't get the number we wanted this year, & go again next Year.

Don't give the Pies Pick 4.

Good post.

Ive been fence sitting on this ... because I can see the importance of winning NOW. If we don't start to create that momentum and begin to be seen as a positive club on the brink of success, we'll be stuffed this time next year and players will leave that we need.

But you tipped me over. It's the wrong year to give up pick 4 and I just cant stomach doing that for Dawes and Wellingham. It's like giving up real hope and settling for mediocrity and Wellingham doesn't even want to come! Plus, If Collingwood picked up Hogan with that pick, I might swallow my own foot in frustration ...

[Bonkers 914]

we are getting absolutely shafted by the pies over these so called super trades! what the ^&*% is neeld thinking?! the pies have brought in a 30yr old has been to replace this guy we are willing to give pick 4 for!!!!

Just because its a story in the age doesn't mean it's even close to reality. Neeld has said that a lot of the players & deals we've been linked with are rubbish. Yes Neeld is probably interested in Dawes & Wellingham but I doubt the pick 4 is anywhere close to reality.

[Kureemy 22]

You all are nuts if you guys don't want Wellingham and Dawes unless you want the MFC to be crap for ever. I would like to keep pick 4 too but you aint gonna get these guys for nothing. Besides how many top draft picks have we had and they have bairly done nothing. Pick 4 could be a dud like Morton was at pick 4. Get realistic people!

Get the deal done asap.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

we are getting absolutely shafted by the pies over these so called super trades! what the ^&*% is neeld thinking?! the pies have brought in a 30yr old has been to replace this guy we are willing to give pick 4 for!!!!

Mate...it hasnt happened...and won't happen.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

You all are nuts if you guys don't want Wellingham and Dawes unless you want the MFC to be crap for ever. I would like to keep pick 4 too but you aint gonna get these guys for nothing. Besides how many top draft picks have we had and they have bairly done nothing. Pick 4 could be a dud like Morton was at pick 4. Get realistic people!

Get the deal done asap.

Eddie?

[Mono 454]

Yes. But the pies wont agree to both Wellingham and Dawes for pick 26.

If we are forced to use pick 3 on Viney then I would trade pick 26 for Dawes.

If we get Viney at 26 then forget about Dawes and get Pederson instead. Use our first round picks to set the club up for the next decade.

Sounds about right to me. There was a similar article in the the age? a few days ago suggesting 26 fro Dawes, but what if we used 26 on Viney. Dawes +17 for pick 13 might be doable.

.......

Sounds like Pick 13 is way over the odds, though I accept we will pay a higher price given our mediocre list he's a late 2nd round max.

If we pay over the odds, it will be in player contracts ie $s, not the picks we use.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

If we pay over the odds, it will be in player contracts ie $s, not the picks we use.

Yes..this seems to be lost on many.

[Deeman 1,399]

You all are nuts if you guys don't want Wellingham and Dawes unless you want the MFC to be crap for ever. I would like to keep pick 4 too but you aint gonna get these guys for nothing. Besides how many top draft picks have we had and they have bairly done nothing. Pick 4 could be a dud like Morton was at pick 4. Get realistic people!

Get the deal done asap.

We will ... as soon as you blokes throw Pendelbury into the deal.

[Demon Disciple 10,935]

You all are nuts if you guys don't want Wellingham and Dawes unless you want the MFC to be crap for ever. I would like to keep pick 4 too but you aint gonna get these guys for nothing. Besides how many top draft picks have we had and they have bairly done nothing. Pick 4 could be a dud like Morton was at pick 4. Get realistic people!

Get the deal done asap.

LOL, ok pal, you've fooled no-one. Back to your place in the centrelink line.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

Quick though folks. Hit the Melbourne social media and let the club know that this sort of crap is unacceptable. Even if you only rate it a 5% chance of happening, that's worth telling them that it is the wrong move to make and that the supporters expect better from them.

[daisycutter 28,508]

i hope Neeld's not getting too Collingwood focussed just because he spent time there.

There's a bigger pond out there and we must make good use of our valuable picks.

[Deemort 28]

I'm shocked at the numbers that don't want Dawes. The problem the pies had with him is that he didn't have the tank to play that back up ruckman and float up and down the ground. In 2010 he was plonked in the forward line and was awesome. If he gets to play that role again in our goal square with mitch running at crashing packs we could be onto something special. I can't believe how quick players go out of favour, and it seemed the drop in form was mainly due to a role change. I'm backing the Neeldy and the people that actualy matter. I would obviously love to keep pick 4 and use 13 and a player but if wellinghams in I say Get it done.

[Axis of Bob 10,218]

Quick though folks. Hit the Melbourne social media and let the club know that this sort of crap is unacceptable. Even if you only rate it a 5% chance of happening, that's worth telling them that it is the wrong move to make and that the supporters expect better from them.

Yeah, you can make a difference. You are the one that can turn the whole thing around. You are the one that can stop the club from making a bad decision based on rumour. You have information and the know how to know what's best and the club needs to know that you are the one to save them.

If there's one thing that Mark Neeld rates when making decisions, it's the opinions of nuffies on Facebook. I'm sure that he reads it too, because that's an important part of his decision making process.

Hero.

[Kureemy 22]

Demon Desciple, you obviously don't understand football and whats best for the MFC.

[Deecisive 1,651]

This is a suggested deal that appeals to both Melbourne and Collingwood, Collingwood would obviously like pick 4 for their two super star discards, while Melbourne needs to keep the discussions open and insisting pick 26 before possibly going down to pick 13. I personnally think Collingwood is more desperate to off load them than we are to take them with low picks. I like the fact that Eddie is probably salivating over Collingwood having draft pick 4 and welly is saying No, No, No. Must be playing havoc with eddies blood pressure. I doubt anyone from Melbourne would seriously consider both the above discards for pick 4. While we definitely need to rebuild our team this needs to be done over several years and drafts so we need to keep an eye on future drafts (and mini drafts) to see what we believe we can gain from those that provides us with a long term options. The draft and trade may shake out some other forwards who can fill the Key forward position until we can get Hogan or another up and coming forward. Eddie keep on dreaming, Welly keep thinking WA, WA, WA... I like the idea of wellingham but not if he does not want to play for us, and we need to remember its easier to get good stats when you are in a quality team that shares and delivers does not mean he can reproduce that in our team.

[demonchris 162]

This is a no-brainer, pick-4 for a very good mid and a guy who can play as a third forward. The fact is Melbourne has done terribly when it comes to developing 'elite' talent. Sure Wellingham is not Swan, but we wouldn't be paying Swan money.

Recent pick 4's: Hoskin-Elliot, Gaff, Morabito, Hartlett, Morton.

Now it's nothing about pick 4 per se, but we can secure a guy who is better than at least the last three guys on that list (too early to tell for the first two).

Gaff is a gun and Hartlett (when not injured) is the same.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

Yeah, you can make a difference. You are the one that can turn the whole thing around. You are the one that can stop the club from making a bad decision based on rumour. You have information and the know how to know what's best and the club needs to know that you are the one to save them.

If there's one thing that Mark Neeld rates when making , it's the opinions of nuffies on Facebook. I'm sure that he reads it too, because that's an important part of his decision making process.

Hero.

That's the spirit!

Seriously though, what harm can it do to let the club know that their members (who pay a great deal to the club every year) are not happy with the proposal? If they were to get a few thousand members telling them that Paying a first round pick for Dawes is not on, they would be insane not to factor that into their calculations.

[Choko 493]

I have a BRILLIANT idea.

Let's read X story from Y journalist in Z paper, assume it's true, and slam the club for mismanaging the situation!

There's a reason resigned and re-signed are so similar: So the media can claim a typo when they get it wrong.

It's about SELLING PAPERS! It is speculation!

Can I suggest we demons have enough to worry about in the real world rather than worrying about hypotheticals? If this happens, then fair enough, we should be critical. But it won't.

[TheoX 1,218]

Gaff is a gun and Hartlett (when not injured) is the same.

Yep, in fact the only dud on that list is.........Morton

[Guest Mengele]

I have a BRILLIANT idea.

Let's read X story from Y journalist in Z paper, assume it's true, and slam the club for mismanaging the situation!

There's a reason resigned and re-signed are so similar: So the media can claim a typo when they get it wrong.

It's about SELLING PAPERS! It is speculation!

Can I suggest we demons have enough to worry about in the real world rather than worrying about hypotheticals? If this happens, then fair enough, we should be critical. But it won't.

Don't be so ignorant, everything in the paper is true, as most of that crap is regurgitated by all the 'reliable sources' on here!!

[Thehardtackler 785]

The trouble is fitting Wellingham into our midfield. With Viney next year we will have Trengove, Jones, Viney, McKenzie, Sylvia and Howe as possibly in our best 22. One of these players will have to regularly miss out on being selected. Also bear in mind that we have Magner, Tapscott, Taggert and maybe someone like Wines/Stringer (because we will pick up another midfielder). How do we keep all those egos in check when they won't be guaranteed a game every week?

[Axis of Bob 10,218]

If they were to get a few thousand members telling them that Paying a first round pick for Dawes is not on, they would be insane not to factor that into their calculations.

The would be insane to factor that into their calculations.

They are professionals. It's is their living. You wouldn't know a quarter of what they know about the situation, you're going by a newspaper report and you may "only rate it a 5% chance of happening".

Imagine if Adelaide recruiters took the advice of supporters after they selected Dangerfield over Ebert.