FAREWELL STEFAN MARTIN - SEPTEMBER 2012

[Guest Rassilon]

Stefan Martin What would we get? Collingwood for sure. They have to let someone go - Hutchy let it out the bag on footy classified.

[olisik 4,060]

Ivan maric 2.0

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Ivan maric 2.0

Fair call that. Loves being the number one ruckman and excels in the role. If, and it's a big IF, we traded him you would want something pretty good in return.

[w00dy 146]

not sure, but I'd be keen to keep Stef, I think he has a lot to offer, gives us a lot more around the ground than Jamar. would want to get something decent before giving him up.

[monoccular 16,495]

Stefan Martin What would we get? Collingwood for sure. They have to let someone go - Hutchy let it out the bag on footy classified.

Were they three or maybe four unconnected or unrelated sentences?

[Tatu 416]

Martin name keeps popping up?

I'd prefer Martin, over Jamar...... If I had to trade one it would definitely be Jamar.....

Why we sign Jamar to a Three year deal, who knows?

would rather delist spencer, than trade Martin.......we would never get true value, for Martin in a trade.......

[McQueen 17,864]

I'd want to be a whole lot more certain that Gawn and Fitzpatrick will make the grade and Jamar can prove me wrong and return to some decent form before we trade Martin.

If it is in fact a done deal, then it better be a good one.

[The Big Ticket 94]

Ivan maric 2.0

That's overrating Martin.

Big Stef's a pea-heart compared to Maric.

[Guest KingDingAling]

Would have to be a good deal, Stef will be by far and away our best ruckman next year.

Jamar will make a perfect back up ruckman aswell.

Hopefully we can get some forward training into both Stef and Jamar,

as they'd be ideal resting forward, especially Jamar if he can get over his fear of kicking the football.

Bailey always thought Stef would've made a good foward.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

Is just as valuable to us as he is other teams, I hope he stays- and if he goes I hope we replace him with ruck skill. I could cope with his loss if we could get Grundy.

Maybe we give him to GWS and all they have to do is not say the names Viney or Grundy untill they come up in team selection day for their match with us

[az_tec 41]

If they want Martin they may heed a preposterous trade or two.

I think Martin and a 'fringe' player for two modest mids may work

Martin + (Morton or Petterd or Bennell) + a very late pick for 2 of (Wellingham or Blair or Sinclair) + 2nd rounder

you never know....

[jnrmac 19,389]

Martin name keeps popping up?

I'd prefer Martin, over Jamar...... If I had to trade one it would definitely be Jamar.....

Why we sign Jamar to a Three year deal, who knows?

would rather delist spencer, than trade Martin.......we would never get true value, for Martin in a trade.......

On here. Hutchy reads itl. Simple

[MadAsHell 4,089]

Martin & our 3rd round pick for their 1st round pick.

Both ours and their 2nd round picks will be tied up if father son (Viney & Stewart) so that would be a reasonable deal I reckon given I think Martin's worth a 2nd round pick.

There's not that much on their list that I'm interested in that they'd be willing to let go.

[DeeZee 6,888]

Martin and Petterd for Caddy

[Crackers 67]

Martin and Petterd for Caddy

I doubt the Suns will do a deal where they recieve two players for one, they already need to trim backtheir list quite hard as they have to cut it back from 46 to 42.

[pm24 451]

I thought they had to cut it back to 38 to make way for O'Meara plus their draft picks.

[poita 3,723]

Now we want to get rid of our best ruckman as well? We won't win a game next year (or for about five years) if this continues.

[jumbo returns 6,593]

I'll take anything for Martin.

Uncoachable.

[rpfc 27,654]

Now we want to get rid of our best ruckman as well? We won't win a game next year (or for about five years) if this continues.

I'll take anything for Martin. Uncoachable.

I don't think you could get two diametrically opposed opinions than these two.

Who's right you ask?

Neither.

Arguments using extremes are rarely right.

[The Albino Warrior 44]

I'd want to know that Gawn's not going to keep popping his ACL before trading Stef.

[pantaloons 2,019]

Martin & our 3rd round pick for their 1st round pick.

Both ours and their 2nd round picks will be tied up if father son (Viney & Stewart) so that would be a reasonable deal I reckon given I think Martin's worth a 2nd round pick.

Collingwood's first round pick on its own (20-24) is simply not enough for Martin, let alone us throwing in a draft pick. I've posted this in another thread but ruckmen of similar quality to Martin often go between 7-15 if it's a straight swap for a pick. If we are serious about trading him to the Pies, then I think it's much more likely Neeld has his eyes on one of his old players. Collingwood can grow more midfielders, but not ruckmen. He's worth something to them and the return has to be good.

We can't be flippant about losing Martin. Once he's gone we're left with Jamar in the twilight of his career, Gawn coming off his second knee reco in 4 years, Spencil who is not up to it, and less than desirable part timers like Sellar and Fitzy. Or we can rob the forward line of Clark.

[jumbo returns 6,593]

If Stef Martin goes to another club, (especially a disciplined outfit like Collingwood) he'll be lucky to play 5 senior games for them next year.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Collingwood's first round pick on its own (20-24) is simply not enough for Martin, let alone us throwing in a draft pick. I've posted this in another thread but ruckmen of similar quality to Martin often go between 7-15 if it's a straight swap for a pick. If we are serious about trading him to the Pies, then I think it's much more likely Neeld has his eyes on one of his old players. Collingwood can grow more midfielders, but not ruckmen. He's worth something to them and the return has to be good.

We can't be flippant about losing Martin. Once he's gone we're left with Jamar in the twilight of his career, Gawn coming off his second knee reco in 4 years, Spencil who is not up to it, and less than desirable part timers like Sellar and Fitzy. Or we can rob the forward line of Clark.

Rucks going recently for picks 7-15, Jolly and Jacobs even Maric went closer to 20 all better than Martin. I think Collingwoods first rounder would be more than kind. Although i think when rucking on his own Martin can be very dynamic in the middle. he can get clearances similarly but not as well as NN. Jamar ect cannot do this. Only rucks with Basketballling backgrounds can do this.

[felixdacat 459]

Martin for Wellingham

[Pates 9,541]

IF we were looking at trade options for Stef (which I wouldn't be) I reckon we shouldn't be settling for anything less than a first rounder. Particularly with Collingwoods situation, it's not so much how valuable he is to us but how valuable he is to them and they need another ruckman.

As I said above I wouldn't want us trading him, he'll probably be taking no 1 ruck next year for us as Jamar slows down and we manage him.