Training - Monday 13th February, 2012

[Pinball Wizard 313]

Apparently there was a training session this morning but it was very early on due to the fact that the lads were off to the community camp week activities today.

Was anyone there at training?

[daisycutter 29,612]

there is some comment over at ology

[binman 42,853]

Cut and pasted from Demonolgy FYI (poster was Nick48, ta):

As I expected arrived a bit late for the start of the session, twenty plus people at the session, which was not bad considering.

When I arrived they were into match simulation again, playing with some intensity I thought, like vultures across a carcass.

A lot of rotations during the session, some of the stops were a bit longer than usual as the coaches did there bit, a lot of instructions going on.

Williams – short session then off.

Ricky as have said before – good pace - looks like he could out run them all.

Sellar – off for a bit of physio, ready to go back on, but didn’t in the end, then back to the rooms.

Morton – some good things, much better than some previous efforts. 

Fitzpatrick – not a force to be reckoned with yet in the ruck – but had some good tap outs and clearances, give him a chance it may work out. 

Royal did some boundary throw-ins again Fitzpatrick was the surprise. Late in the session they broke into two groups, Royal taking a small group at one end.

Tapscott and Jordie – bit of boundary walking and running, nothing new.

Re-hab group down to three this morning, Jurrah, Spencer and Evans, down the back mainly doing sprints, Liam now doing laps, bit of sprint. Spencer stayed behind doing more goal work.

Still long session, if they started at 8am – they did somewhere around a three hour session, you might say they have a couple of days off doing the community camps.

not very long - left out the bits that are the same at most training sessions.

looking forward to friday afternoon's intra-club, cheers.

 

[greenmachine 21]

cheers for the report guys

[Great Sage 101]

I also made it down to my first ever training this morning. I did not take notes or anything but am happy to answer any questions that you may have.

As Nick mentioned, main session involved match simulation. A couple of impressions:

 

It was very congested with strong emphasis on structures and accountability. There was a good level of talk and camaraderie.

 

MORTON – Thought Cale was very good. Mainly played HBF on Dunn and took some good marks due to reading the play and disposed of the ball well. Was one instance when Dunn clearly had Cale out positioned, but he managed a last minute desperate lunge to punch the ball away which drew praise from coaches and teammates.

 

GRIMES – Played the entire match in defence with his usual aplomb. Backed into a pack with no regard for his personal wellbeing to spoil a mark, luckily his teammates looked after him.

 

TAPSCOTT & JORDIE – Both played in the scratch match in addition to the walking and running Nick mentioned. Tappy  played midfield with some penetrating lace out passes.

 

COOK – Took some solid grabs based on good body positioning and kicked well. Still a while away from seniors but appeared to have space and time, just needs patience and experience.

 

GYSBERTS – Good in heavy traffic with some key clearances.

 

JONES – Always hard at it. Keeps pushing himself,  tackled well and disposed well.

 

DAVEY – Did not star, but no sign of the apathy mentioned in other reports. Played forward.

 

HOWE – Love his work. One easy goal kicked as a result of him launching himself at a pack and knocking the ball clear which was subsequently crumbed by a player running past.

 

BATE – Did not complete the entire session due a knock during the scratch match. Not sure whether it was a rolled ankle or a corkie, but don’t think it was anything serious.

[Tim 3,418]

BATE – Did not complete the entire session due a knock during the scratch match. Not sure whether it was a rolled ankle or a corkie, but don't think it was anything serious.

Thought he was good in heavy traffic in midfield; seemed to get a knock in the thigh with a late tackle.

Agree about Lucas Cook - showing some good development as a key forward work-in-progress.

[the other brother 9]

I aslo arrived part the way through the match practice. One piece of play in particular stood out - Morton outmarked Dunn (again), baulked the man on the mark and delivered a perfect 50m pass to Clarke who took a strong mark over the pack 30m out (the sort of mark only Jamar could take in recent years). It was a passage of play we haven't seen since Neitz retired.

One other thing that stood out to me was how good/soft Lucas Cooks hands were. The forwards did a drill later in the session where they led to the coaches who speared a pass at them When the ball hit Cooks hands they were much softer and cleaner than either Clarke's or Watts'. Let's hope he can find another 15kgs

[Jordie_tackles 354]

I am an assumed fan of Lucas Cook, and what we have been hearing since he is out of regab is good hands good kick finds space, not a bad combination imo

[Slartibartfast 17,255]

It's funny isn't it that we are now starting to get good reports about Cook and Morton, two who came in for a fair bit of criticism prior to the match practice.

The good reports about these two plus the fact Jordie McK and Tappy are approaching full training is good news.

[Redleg 40,889]

It's funny isn't it that we are now starting to get good reports about Cook and Morton, two who came in for a fair bit of criticism prior to the match practice.

The good reports about these two plus the fact Jordie McK and Tappy are approaching full training is good news.

Agree.

Is that a cloud above your coffee, looks like lightning as well?

[Chook 15,012]

I have to say I'm very impressed with Liam Jurrah's commitment. For a person who comes from an area where the only kind of training for football games is more football games, his willingness to keep at it all through his rehab is exciting. Running laps can be boring as hell for some people, but it can really pay off when you can't do much else.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,046]

I have to say I'm very impressed with Liam Jurrah's commitment. For a person who comes from an area where the only kind of training for football games is more football games, his willingness to keep at it all through his rehab is exciting. Running laps can be boring as hell for some people, but it can really pay off when you can't do much else.

Running of any sort if boring as hell. I'm one of those people who is bored to tears by training for training's sake. I think anyone who can run laps for an hour or so has a level of dedication I can't even imagine, let alone aspire to.

[Bay Riffin 1,474]

Running of any sort if boring as hell. I'm one of those people who is bored to tears by training for training's sake. I think anyone who can run laps for an hour or so has a level of dedication I can't even imagine, let alone aspire to.

i'd run laps for 2 hours a day if someone paid me $250,000

[Fork 'em 6,983]

Ha , and I'd do it for alot less than 2 fiddy .

Just not as quick

Edited February 14, 2012 by Fork 'em

[QueenC 74]

I also made it down to my first ever training this morning. I did not take notes or anything but am happy to answer any questions that you may have......

Cheers again for all the reports guys, your efforts are excellent.....

Love reading them, makes me feel not so far away (or being irritated by bright orange and grey), so please keep 'em coming !!!

[mauriesy 7,286]

DAVEY – Did not star, but no sign of the apathy mentioned in other reports. Played forward.

From the Herald-Sun:

Neeld said Davey was still managing a knee injury, which was bandaged again yesterday, but confirmed he had done enough to get a tick from fitness boss David Misson to play on Friday. He said perceptions that Davey had struggled through the pre-season were wrong.

"What I'm learning is that people will come and watch a one-off training session and if they don't see someone train the perception is they're behind or they're off or they're injured," Neeld said. "The way all clubs do it, it is fair dinkum an individual program. It is all very scientific."

Perhaps that needs to be taken into consideration with all training reports here, and assumptions not made too quickly.

[Grandson of a gun 276]

From the Herald-Sun:

Neeld said Davey was still managing a knee injury, which was bandaged again yesterday, but confirmed he had done enough to get a tick from fitness boss David Misson to play on Friday. He said perceptions that Davey had struggled through the pre-season were wrong.

"What I'm learning is that people will come and watch a one-off training session and if they don't see someone train the perception is they're behind or they're off or they're injured," Neeld said. "The way all clubs do it, it is fair dinkum an individual program. It is all very scientific."

Perhaps that needs to be taken into consideration with all training reports here, and assumptions not made too quickly.

It's funny isn't it Maurie.

Experts around here would have you think otherwise....................

[jabberwocky 2,301]

From the Herald-Sun:

Neeld said Davey was still managing a knee injury, which was bandaged again yesterday, but confirmed he had done enough to get a tick from fitness boss David Misson to play on Friday. He said perceptions that Davey had struggled through the pre-season were wrong.

"What I'm learning is that people will come and watch a one-off training session and if they don't see someone train the perception is they're behind or they're off or they're injured," Neeld said. "The way all clubs do it, it is fair dinkum an individual program. It is all very scientific."

Perhaps that needs to be taken into consideration with all training reports here, and assumptions not made too quickly.

Sounds like the coach reads Demonland, g'day Neeldy!

[Biffen 12,940]

Sounds like the coach reads Demonland, g'day Neeldy!

I reckon he does. Hence the Two Jacks getting the nod .Keep going Neeldy!!!!!!

[Biffen 12,940]

I aslo arrived part the way through the match practice. One piece of play in particular stood out - Morton outmarked Dunn (again), baulked the man on the mark and delivered a perfect 50m pass to Clarke who took a strong mark over the pack 30m out (the sort of mark only Jamar could take in recent years). It was a passage of play we haven't seen since Neitz retired.

One other thing that stood out to me was how good/soft Lucas Cooks hands were. The forwards did a drill later in the session where they led to the coaches who speared a pass at them When the ball hit Cooks hands they were much softer and cleaner than either Clarke's or Watts'. Let's hope he can find another 15kgs

If it was a perfect pass then it shouldn't have been taken over a pack .Nest pas?

[Slartibartfast 17,255]

It's funny isn't it Maurie.

Experts around here would have you think otherwise....................

So would you rather people didn't post on training on the basis they don't know the full training program of each player? People are good enough to report what they see and then offer opinions and I thank them for it.

[Bossdog 2,002]

So would you rather people didn't post on training on the basis they don't know the full training program of each player? People are good enough to report what they see and then offer opinions and I thank them for it.

I like the training reports, they keep us who(or should it be whom?)cannot get there, up to date. I do not take peoples take on training as gosspel but I like to read who is doing what. Keep it up lads.

[Grandson of a gun 276]

So would you rather people didn't post on training on the basis they don't know the full training program of each player? People are good enough to report what they see and then offer opinions and I thank them for it.

You misunderstood Fan. I am verygreatful for those training reports and thoroughly enjoy reading them. However they are only one persons perspective and none of us see what goes on behind closed doors in the other sessions they do. Yet many round here love act quite the opposite and speak as if they know everything intimately and their opinion on a players training performance over summer is therefore gospel.

As Neeld said recently, unless you are on the inside then you have no idea of what actually goes on and the effort and work put in by the players.

[Guest melbman]

Logically speaking, it is possible that the training reports re Davey were accurate and Mr Neeld is fibbing

queue abuse becuase I didn't follow with a multitude of diclaimers ;-)

edit: spulling

Edited February 15, 2012 by melbman

[rjay 24,916]

From the Herald-Sun:

Neeld said Davey was still managing a knee injury, which was bandaged again yesterday, but confirmed he had done enough to get a tick from fitness boss David Misson to play on Friday. He said perceptions that Davey had struggled through the pre-season were wrong.

"What I'm learning is that people will come and watch a one-off training session and if they don't see someone train the perception is they're behind or they're off or they're injured," Neeld said. "The way all clubs do it, it is fair dinkum an individual program. It is all very scientific."

Perhaps that needs to be taken into consideration with all training reports here, and assumptions not made too quickly.

I wish David King would have taken it into account before making his stupid comments on SEN this morning about a lot of injured players at Melbourne missing training over the pre season, when it seems to be more about individual programs and load management.

To me expert commentators start to lose their relevance after being out of the game for a few years (some more that others), it moves on to fast. But that is a whole other subject that I'm sure has been done to death.