WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - JACK VINEY

[John Crow Batty 8,787]

I was hoping a Luke Ball type response. Like go missing, do nothing, call any other clubs bluff and he walks to the club cheaply and gifts us a high draft pick to boot.

Edited October 4, 2012 by america de cali

[Sir Why You Little 36,670]

His Jaw was busted playing for Casey. I do not blame Viney at all.

The club made a commitment.

Just do it.

[stinga81 210]

How's he any different from Harrington coming out saying they'll "pick the best available". Young Jack is merely saying that he's worthy of that pick 3 and if the Dee's what to stuff being too cute trying to get him second round then it will be their miss.

FWIW I think its all part of the games being played and we'll get him pick 3.

Edited October 4, 2012 by stinga81

[olisik 4,060]

How's he any different from Harrington coming out saying they'll "pick the best available". Young Jack is merely saying that he's worthy of that pick 3 and if the Dee's what to stuff being too cute trying to get him second round then it will be their miss.

FWIW I think its all part of the games being played and we'll get him pick 3.

I would prefer Wines at #3

and Viney at #26

This whole issue is the difference between getting 1 gun inside mid.......or 2

[beelzebub 23,200]

This is unescessary

I dont particularly care to be held to ransom or dictated to.

If a charade its both ill conceived and poorly executed.

[dees189227 12,235]

He has said before he wants to play for the red and the blue, how many more times does he need to say it. So now he has gone down the opposite path. Good on him. Joe Daniher was on SEN this morning and said Jack helped him so much with his development and if melbourne do get him then they will get a beauty. Which we already know but who knows what he could teach a player or two. Im sure Jones would love him there beside him in the midfeld.

[stinga81 210]

I would prefer Wines at #3

and Viney at #26

This whole issue is the difference between getting 1 gun inside mid.......or 2

Wines at Pick 4...done.

[drdrake 3,124]

The kid has every right to be frustrated by our club, they Chase him to commit last year, we finish a lot lower than we expect and we play games with him. We talk about our club and elite culture, this has been handled extremely poor. We want to be a strong club, come out and back Jack declare we will take him regardless, these games are silly.

[Rocknroll 1,002]

Written By Jay Clark.........

[Vandenberger With The Lot 233]

Why is this such a bad thing?

The kid has said he is completely prepared to play for another club. Maybe this is trying to call GC's bluff?

[olisik 4,060]

Wines at Pick 4...done.

Then no MD Hogan.

3 Guns > 2

[What 18,810]

The kid has every right to be frustrated by our club, they Chase him to commit last year, we finish a lot lower than we expect and we play games with him. We talk about our club and elite culture, this has been handled extremely poor. We want to be a strong club, come out and back Jack declare we will take him regardless, these games are silly.

Nice hyperbole.

Viney knows he is coming to the MFC. pick 3 or 26, who knows.. But he will be a Demon.

Loving all the media mind games though., Also loving Jacks passion.

[Outside fifty 967]

Read between the lines folks. Effectively the club through Viney is telling both Gold Coast and GWS that they will call their bluff on pick 3. If either choose to take Viney at one or two then the MFC will let him go. It's called "Game Theory". Are both GWS and Gold Coast willing to risk pick one or two on a pick eight. Viney's statement sends the message to both clubs that the MFC has discussed the prospect of not using pick three to secure him. The ball is now entirely in Gold Coast's and GWS court. This of course may just be all bluff and we end up taking Viney at either pick three or twenty six. The thing is we will never know and neither will the other two clubs.

Edited October 4, 2012 by Outside fifty

[jabberwocky 2,301]

It's all part of the game people.....relax.

Think about the intent of the words that Jack has spoken.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Read between the lines folks. Effectively the club through Viney is telling both Gold Coast and GWS that they will call their bluff on pick 3. If either choose to take Viney at one or two then the MFC will let him go. It's called "Game Theory". Are both GWS and Gold Coast willing to risk pick one or two on a pick eight. Viney's statement sends the message to both clubs that the MFC has discussed the prospect of not using pick three to secure him. The ball is now entirely in Gold Coast's and GWS court.

Well done

[beelzebub 23,200]

Strangley thats not how i read it at all. Jack is demanding .

Hes also patently saying hello play for anyone.

Again its amateur hour if this is theatrical. Doing more harm than good id suggest.

[Ouch! 2,205]

Holy crap Chicken Little the sky is falling!!!

I have no problems at all with what Viney is doing, I would be amazed if the club or his dad would either.

FFS he is touted as the hardest inside mid in the competition, I can't believe the number of people here that want him to have a Mummy's boy persona to try and bluff people like Gubby Allan, Scott Clayton, and SOS. You reckon a scripted response of a potential F/S pick is going to bluff them or the damn media?

The draft combine is an opportunity to sell yourself in the best possible light. GWS and GC should interview him to see if he is worth taking a punt on, Viney will be going 110% to prove himself @ the combine, to think he would do otherwise is naive.

Edited October 4, 2012 by Oucher

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Hes also patently saying hello play for anyone.

That's exactly what he is saying.

IE if you pick me you get me, not if you pick me you will be gazumped and force the MFC to use a higher pick. That is the essence of it all.

If thats what GC and GWS believe it effectively neutralises the threat of them forcing us to use the higher pick because we are "committed".

This would all happen under the direction of the club.

Think...why would Jay Clark suddenly have access to young Jack?

Edited October 4, 2012 by dandeeman

[Vandenberger With The Lot 233]

Strangley thats not how i read it at all. Jack is demanding .

Hes also patently saying hello play for anyone.

Again its amateur hour if this is theatrical. Doing more harm than good id suggest.

I guess it all depends on Gold Coast.

If they are genuinely chasing him with pick 2, then yes, this is harmful. If they are bluffing to burn our pick 3, then this is a good thing and they will think twice before bidding.

[John Crow Batty 8,787]

Does it really matter if he rated as a pick 8. Good recruiting is getting the right person for the job required. Not picking the highest number on the hit parade like we have been doing. If other clubs think he is the ideal man to fill their spot then he will go earlier.

Edited October 4, 2012 by america de cali

[Jonesbag 487]

Herald sun office today....

'Any trade news?'

'Nah not yet'

' Ok run a story kicking melbourne in the guts till we get something'

[Pennant St Dee 12,704]

Good on you Jack have faith in your ability and throw a spanner in the works, Gold Coast & Gws can now think along the lines of Melbourne may have told Viney we wont take you at 3, so be prepared to go north if they really want you.

No the ball is in the Suns & Giants court do they take the risk

Many on here slated the club for the way they played out the Scully saga, but in hindsight it was perfectly orchestrated and we ended up with the same compensation as the Cats did for the best player in the AFL

[sue 9,018]

The kid has every right to be frustrated by our club, they Chase him to commit last year, we finish a lot lower than we expect and we play games with him.

Why? He'd know what the games are about, how real they are etc. I don't think he'd be 'frustrated'. There are several interpretations, some canvassed in this thread as to why he'd say that without being frustrated by how the MFC has treated him.

Some posters (not necessarily DrD -haven't followed his) seem to think the MFC is incompetent at everything just because we have been so on the field.

[demon destruction 81]

Im sure GC or GWS dont run their recruiting based on a Jay Clark article in the HS.

Best part of this article seems he has the right attitude towards preparation which reminds me of Jonesy who is thriving under Neeld. Shows that Viney slots in nicely with the type fo game plan the coach is implementing, tough, hard and uncompromising.

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Very odd give the supposed mind games we all assumed the club was playing. You would think they would inform Jack, and Todd for that matter, how they want it handled, because this seems to fly in the face of what we thought was going on.