Post Match Discussion - Round 23

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,875]

15 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

To have any genuine success i agree.  But we also need a brute of a forward who can clunk marks/smash packs and score half the time from set shots.  We still dont have one. 

And can load up from outside fitty. 

I think Peter Moore is a realistic target.

[beelzebub 22,225]

8 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

And can load up from outside fitty. 

I think Peter Moore is a realistic target.

Peter is a bit long in the tooth. Darcy will stay a Pie for ever. His dad has some 'issues' with us lol.

[Die Hard Demon 1,152]

26 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Please dont give me that crap.The dees had their strongest side in for week

Pies were missing 8 or 9 of their best 22 they included 2 first gamers

If they ran out of gas they arent fit enough. We lost the game in then first 11 minutes 

Youth or tiredness was not a factor mental weakness was the main problem  once again

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well you obviously missed the sarcasm. but you summed up the point i was trying to make perfectly. 

[Redleg 37,566]

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Edited August 26, 2017 by Redleg

[DeeZee 6,731]

Felt worse this morning.

anylysing the game I thought we came back pretty strongly but were very fumbly and nervy . Something is wrong with Maxy just seems to lack his usual energy.

Looking back to the St Kilda game where we were on fire in the first quarter and then yesterday's game where we had everything on the line and had zero tackles in the first 12 minutes is just baffling to me.

Is it the coaches job to fire up the players before a game?

Is Goodwin too laid back?

[Dockett 32 1,213]

31 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Apparently we don't discuss Elephants at Melbourne.

Goodwin has a few problems to sort out. The first is he doesn't acknowledge the first one being there is a problem with Elephants. 

Im starting to seriously wonder if hes the right bloke.

The players are professional footballers, they play the game every week. It was just another game. They ought to have known that if the momentum of the game was clearly working against them, something had to happen to address this.

Maybe correct ,habitual, instinctive tackling?  ( it didn't ) or maybe some  simply aren't mentally strong enough or good enough to carry it out.

IMO our midfield is no where near elite enough to 'consistently' win.

 By the way I don't think getting Lever will fix this.

 

 

[FlashInThePan 1,893]

I had to skip to the end after reading 3 pages of demonland implosion on this thread.

That was a hard game to watch but there is no doubt this team is starting to come together. It is ridiculous to say that we aren't better, we are definitely better and are on the brink of being excellent. That first quarter was a shocker, pressure wise, and we played catchup footy from there. We have had plenty of poor first quarters over the year and it is something we are going to have to address in the off season. There is plenty of growth too be had from this group. Imagine when Gussy, Trac and Oliver have had 100 games together in the midfield along with Viney? We need to work on stopping another team when they are on a run, but there is really no need to for the excessive negative hyperbole that so many demonlanders seem to need to indulge in.

Lets see how it pans out today. If we get to play finals then we deserved it. Simple as that there is no other measure besides making it.

[Ethan Tremblay 28,362]

41 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Please dont give me that crap.The dees had their strongest side in for week

Pies were missing 8 or 9 of their best 22 they included 2 first gamers

If they ran out of gas they arent fit enough. We lost the game in then first 11 minutes 

Youth or tiredness was not a factor mental weakness was the main problem  once again

s

 

 

You clearly missed the sarcasm in his post.

[Die Hard Demon 1,152]

well one whole sleep later & im still fuming.. it's just unfathomable we could start that game so poorly. melbourne can gagf 

[beelzebub 22,225]

14 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

well you obviously missed the sarcasm. but you summed up the point i was trying to make perfectly. 

I missed it too...lol.  The point is there though ad you say. Cheers

[rjay 23,895]

2 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

no superstar players in the last 50 years

One superstar player...I know it's negative day on the site but I think we can all agree that Flower stands head and shoulders above and could we ever do with a player of his skill & heart now.

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,875]

28 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Peter is a bit long in the tooth. Darcy will stay a Pie for ever. His dad has some 'issues' with us lol.

Sorry Peter Wright.

[beelzebub 22,225]

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I don't think I've ever woken up this disappointed after a loss before.  

I find that difficult to accept.

We've had so many disappointing losses over the journey. 

Yesterday's wasn't really even that unexpected.

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,875]

16 hours ago, drdrake said:

As supporters we have held up our end of the club, record attendance at games membership, our off field we will see a good report at our agm, onfield just makes it so hard for our club.  When will our players stand up.

Great post.

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2 hours ago, furious d said:

1) I disagree with this. Culture is a whole of club thing. Admittedly, we play a much smaller part than the players and coaches, but we play our part. 

2) The arrogance of Melbourne fans is what truly baffles me though. All the talk about wanting Richmond in an Elim because we're a much better side and will smash them. How in hell do you come to that conclusion? 

3) While I'm on this rant the constant harking back to The Northey days or even Daniher or Balme years is really really sad. We were soft during all this periods and never won anything that mattered.

Agree with most of your points.

If our support base could be compared to a fictional character, it would be David Brent in that we are completely delusional in how we see ourselves and how others see us. 

I wish the AFL would get serious and start it's statistical lineage from 1990 (the first year of the AFL). That would force the MFC to confront the fact we have won nothing in modern times and that our successes are nothing but a historical relic. I will add in those times, players smoked and trained once a week. It was far from professional.

I would disagree on the Swooper era however. I remember that having blokes like Balls, Todd and the big Strawb had other teams taking shorter strides. The problem was we just had a fairly meat and potatoes side.

[low flying Robbo 979]

The best thing if we make finals is we are never going to go into a game as favourite. Thus we have a chance

[dazzledavey36 48,718]

If we are to make finals then we simply cannot carry Mitch Hannan next week. He goes missing far to often in games. Bring in a Ben Kennedy or even Bugg. 

And and amazed that while Dom Tyson cops flak for his poor disposal, Jayden Hunt continues to fly under the radar! He's ability to hit target by foot is becoming worse then Paul Hopgood. Needs to lift big time and work hard on it over the summer!

[Dee Zephyr 17,433]

3 hours ago, furious d said:

I disagree with this. Culture is a whole of club thing. Admittedly, we play a much smaller part than the players and coaches, but we play our part. 

Supporters talk to players all the time, players don't live in a bubble. I don't see how players  wouldn't be effected by things they constantly hear, even if they claim they aren't. They are humans just like us. I remember the after game functions of yesteryear, I remember seeing people fawning over a young Col Sylvia, pumping up his tyres, telling him what a superstar he was destined to become. We are the backslappingest supporters going around after a good win, everyone's a star and the premiership is ours for the taking. A week later we're slashing wrists and wanting to trade half the list out.

The arrogance of Melbourne fans is what truly baffles me though. All the talk about wanting Richmond in an Elim because we're a much better side and will smash them. How in hell do you come to that conclusion? Historically we are the biggest rabble of the last 50 years, My entire lifetime of following the "demons"has been one of repeated abject failure, some periods have been a bit less failure ridden but make no mistake it's all ended in misery. Recently we lost to North and scraped in against Brisbane, we are playing bog ordinary footy atm and have been ever since the Sydney game. except for a quarter here and a 10 minute burst there. Sadly that was the week after I first allowed myself to believe we'd make finals, lesson learnt again. Never have faith in Melbourne, never ever

The "relax we've got this" attitude is clearly one the players buy into, but still every time we play a team below us some smartarz insists on posting it and more often than not the team proves they were thinking the exact same thing. That phrase should carry a ban from this site, lifetime would be my preference but I'd settle for 2 weeks.

While I'm on this rant the constant harking back to The Northey days or even Daniher or Balme years is really really sad. We were soft during all this periods and never won anything that mattered, I'm guessing here but in all those years I bet we had a period of stinking it up, 3 consecutive losses at least and most likely drubbings has been a standard feature of every season I've seen. We should be done for misleading branding, we're not and in my lifetime have never been demons, perhaps marshmallows would be more accurate.

The only reason I wanted to play Richmond in a final and I never mentioned as such, is not because we would smash them off the park but I haven't been to a final in 11 years and what better than a packed MCG with two Melbourne clubs going at it. 

My first final was the elimination in 1988 as an 11yr old and I still remember the buzz after the siren. My kids are at that age now and I joined them up two seasons ago and they've become more entrenched in the red and blue with each game they have been to. Their first final in Melbourne would have been something special for all 3 of us. They were devastated yesterday.

I don't believe the word arrogance portrays most on here, we are starved at the moment and most of us would have taken a final on the moon. 

This game brings various emotions with it, that's what makes it great and regardless of our fate later today most on here will stick fat with the red and blue and continue to cheer them on for years to come.

Edited August 27, 2017 by Demon77

[John Crow Batty 8,255]

16 minutes ago, low flying Robbo said:

The best thing if we make finals is we are never going to go into a game as favourite. Thus we have a chance

If by some diabolical amount of luck we get in to make the GF, everyone will proclaim again we are the real deal. We know what will happen then.

Edited August 27, 2017 by america de cali

[beelzebub 22,225]

Just now, america de cali said:

If by some diabolical amount of luck we get in to make the GF, everyone will proclaim again we are the real deal. We know what will happen then.

Yep the wise among us got to the bar before the first bounce

[Macca 16,173]

We had to bring our best footy yesterday in order to win and we failed to do so ... on the other hand Collingwood are at their best every 3 or 4 weeks and were due.

Scapegoating one player or another is a futile exercise as well.  By my reckoning we had up to about a dozen players who had very little impact on the game.  And that's about 8 or 9 players too many.  Our more experienced players and leaders let us down (as a collective)

We did well to restrict the margin to 16 points in all reality ... that's how poor we were. 

But we live to fight another day and if the Crows go into today's game with that same selected team, that game should at least be close.  And that will be enough for us to remain alive.  It would be a major surprise if Freo prevail but you never know.

Here's hoping.

 

 

[dees189227 10,762]

I wonder how scathing and angry Peter Jackson was after the loss. Here is a guy that has come in and tried to repair a broken club. Gee he must have been frustrated. 

As Hamish said to Max on gameday today, if you just won yesterday we wouldn't have to go through these scenarios and you wouldn't have to wait until tonight to see if you play finals. 

[Dr. Gonzo 22,412]

16 hours ago, bingers said:

Today's debacle was the least surprising thing I've ever seen. Made the filth look good.

The most frustrating thing is I chickened out on chucking $50 on us to miss the finals at 11-1 after being talked out of it by my wife who said "have faith in your team"! I should've known better 

[Dr. Gonzo 22,412]

16 hours ago, Hogan2014 said:

Just listened to Goodwin presser...

No tackle until 11min into 1st qt....WTF

Whos to blame here for the lack of intensity, leadership or coaching? 

Its baffling how the players would not want to bring the intensity!

That is the most damning stat I think I've ever heard in my time watching this team.

[Winners at last 4,726]

10 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The most frustrating thing is I chickened out on chucking $50 on us to miss the finals at 11-1 after being talked out of it by my wife who said "have faith in your team"! I should've known better 

Hopefully she makes it up to you in other ways