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Scott in the post match presser, according to The Age…. ’Two off-field staff contracted COVID, Scott revealed. Masks were worn in the Cats’ rooms. Word of flu had filtered through to the Brisbane camp. Holmes had a bout of gastro. Could his illness have led to fatigue, leaving him more vulnerable to a soft-tissue injury?’ This Is eerily similar to the prelim in ‘21. I’ll never respect him for doing this. They always have some excuse, that ignores that all clubs are dealing with things that aren’t going their way. It’s pathetic.

Without major injuries in both years, especially late in the 2022 season, poor kicking for goal and a thug act, Goody might be a triple Premiership Coach. Who would be the master Coach then, given the benefits provided to the Geelong club by Government funding and its unique location and AFL advantage?

We would've won anywhere in 2021, and in fact proved it. We actually played in front of crowds most of the season. It was in fact as late a round 18 when crowds couldn't attend when we played Hawthorn in the drawn game. We the dropped one against the Dogs in front of nobody in round 19, then the bizarre game against Gold Coast where we flew up, sat on the tarmac and flew back again to play the GC at Marvel the next day (and [censored] them). Then over to Perth in front of a pretty hostile 32k crowd to play one of the longest games in league history with the lightning strike which forced the delay, then back to an empty G again to play Adelaide and then the final game against Geelong at the empty stadium. Then began the finals series firstly at Adelaide, in front of 14k people, then over to Perth for back to back wins in front of full houses both games. I would argue it was perhaps the most hard won premiership of all time. And the fact we did it so comprehensively in all finals shows just how good we were. Anywhere, anytime - that was the 21 Demons.

Our 3rd quarter burst was the purest football I've ever seen. 3 goals in 47 seconds to end the quarter. We were away from home for 70 + days. Its the hardest premiership ever won. I will never get tired of the replay.

I'd absolutely be trading our future 1st and banking on other clubs believing that we'll have a repeat of this year in 2025.

All this talk of how easy it was for Goodwin to take the dozen good players he inherited from Roos to a premiership just goes to show how hard it must have been for Scott in 2011, who had to overcome the deficiencies of both Allen Christensen AND Trent West not already being premiership players. After the inherited premiership, Chris Scott from 2012-2019 managed 4 wins from 15 finals. I can only assume everyone vigorously pleasuring themselves about Scott's greatness is ready to give Goodwin the same run on the understanding that he'll snag us another flag in 2032?

The Academy system really helps the 4 northern clubs. Lions. Swans. Giants. Suns. They don’t have to rely on youngsters being in the right multicultural classification or where their parents were born. These academies are very professional setup. Lots of youngsters being listed and developing strongly. They are fully run under the clubs control. They are run and developed with head coaches and full time staff. For example , the Lions academy has” a team of seven full-time staff, four part time staff and 85+ casual & volunteer coaches, managers, physios, sports trainers, and strength & conditioning staff”. Brisbane academy covers Brisbane and the Sunshine Coast and covers northern Qld through school board and development processes. In Sydney, Gold Coast and Brisbane, the NRL and Rugby scene is mostly dominated by young Polynesian origin boys. Big, strong, quick. Powerful. For boys who are more lean athletes or tall or short or who love AFL, it’s the AFL and the academy programs. Brisbane academy has over 60 boys in each of the 13-14, 15-16, 17-18 groups. The big winner for the clubs … they have confidence that they can solely develop the youngsters & then they will have GUARANTEED ACCESS. This year Suns get Lombard (top 10 player) after they got 4 players last year within top 25. Then they have more coming through. Beau Addinsall is a gun and top 10–12. Zeke Uwland is top 20 quality for next year. https://www.goldcoastfc.com.au/news/1384198/suns-academy-dominates-u16-all-australian-boys-squad Footy is very popular in the Gold Coast. More boys between 8-18 play AFL. Well above the other codes combined. The 7 primary AFL clubs in the Gold Coast are very well setup for junior development. Southport. Bonbeach. Palm Beach. Surfers. Coolangatta. Burleigh. Labrador. AFL culture is very strong. Giants will get Logan Smith. One of the best young ruckman. They’ll probably hate to match around pick 35-40. Next year they get access to gun Ryder Corrigan who is top 20 quality. Swans get Joel Cochran this year. Again probably around pick 35-40. He’s an interception key defender type. Next year they get Max King who starred in under 16s and is top 15 likely. Lions get Sam Marshall who just keeps improving and will be top 14-15 ranking this year. Lions get Dan Annable next year who’s also top 9-10 draft pick quality). There’s plenty more in the Lions prospects in the production line. The future is very bright for all 4 of the clubs and their academies Footnote … the Swans and Lions get BOTH Father-son and Academy youngsters. Thats a bonus. (Ps. They are both in the 2024 Grand Final).

I was so happy for all the long suffering WA Dees fans who got to see it. Living in Perth and not supporting one of their two clubs is so tough, it must have been so, so sweet.

Well, there is at least one. Finals W/L - Goodwin is 50%, Scott’s 46.67%.

Load of junk. For one, Goodwin coached all of 2016 which was Tracc and Clarry’s first season. There is no Tracc and Clarry before Goodwin. They are just draft picks. Like McLean and Sylvia or Morton and Trengove. By 2018 Jones was a role player, Lewis and Vince couldn’t play in the same side as they were both looking for cheapies across half back. We had no key defenders, our young midfield weren’t seasoned and we didn’t have the depth of wings and forward flankers. We dominated a couple of finals then got blown out by the eventual premiers in a game no one was winning. 2019 our injury list was comically bad and no one did a preseason, there was over a dozen off season surgeries. The trade off of young team going deep the year before. Lever was injured. May didn’t turn up. Just a complete throw away year. We should’ve done better in 2020, but we were bedding down the defensive system and played 3 young kids who starred in September the next year.

IMO Petracca isn’t happy, no matter what anyone thinks, as he wanted to leave and at this stage it looks like not happening. He might be accepting of the current situation, as he really has very little choice atm, if he wants to continue as an AFL player. The situation might change at trade time this year or next year, who knows and if he stays and we are successful next year and he feels vindicated he may stay and then be happy.

For sure however there's one difference, a lot of us would have moved heaven and Earth to be in WA if we were allowed to. When you buy a high level membership for years with a GF guarantee and go to games most weeks, you sort of do feel short-changed when the once in a lifetime day comes and you're essentially banned from attending. Swans and Lions fans are at least able to try and get tickets and get on a plane down here, all the best to them.

This is not an argument we need to be having.

I was there in person The single most amazing experience ever. (Sorry wife and kid...) That 3rd quarter was just epic. Went from oh [censored] it's looking like we're done to game over in the blink of an eye. The dogs and the supporters were all shellshocked. Could not believe what I was witnessing there Never ever downplay it - anyone who says it's not real because it wasn't at the G can get stuffed. The 60k crowd there was louder than any 100k crowd i have ever been in. Purely magical day

I am not saying Scott isn’t a very good Coach, but rather he has had advantages that other Coaches haven’t. The Cats are nearly guaranteed 8-9 wins every year because of their unique home ground advantage and who they play there and then only need to win another 3-4 games each season to make finals. That is a huge advantage for starters. Their location has assisted their recruiting as well. The endless stream of Victorian tax dollars given to them hasn’t hurt either.

Just think when we were down by 19 points at 3 quarter time. Many (myself included) thought it was over and we’d blown our chance. Had we lost that game our drought would now be 60 years. Only 3 other teams have gone that long (Sydney, St Kilda and Footscray.) We didn’t get another crack at it and our premiership window may be closed now. That was our one chance to win a flag and we did it. Be always thankful for that.

yes, you can actually see their injury trac's injury wasn't even picked up by the epworth

IF we think this kid is AFL material, we should go hard for a rule change or an exemption, given the widely held view, that we have been the most disadvantaged team ( re Andrew ) of the NGA rule changes.

Oliver would have stopped Bont dead in his tracks in the premiership quater anywhere.

See revision below I'd say you both have a case. This is the team Goodwin inherited vis a vis the Premiership. Premiership Players Brayshaw, Angus Gawn, Max Harmes, James McDonald, Tom Neal-Bullen, Alex Oliver, Clayton Petracca, Christian Salem, Christian Viney, Jack Premiership Emergency Hunt, Jayden Hard Luck Jones, Nathan Could have been Hogan, Jesse Experienced Premiership additions since Roos: May, Lever, Hibberd, Brown, Fritsch The rest of the Premiership team were kids: Jordon, Sparrow, Petty, Bowey, Jackson, Spargo, Rivers, Pickett with only a handful of games. Summary: 9 of the 22 Premiership players were inherited. Take a couple of them out and we probably would not have won it. Its fair to say without injury Hunt would probably have played. Jones played a huge role in getting the team to finals. Without the experienced additions we probably would not have won it. So I reckon the inherited list was not premiership ready but most of the core 9 were top shelf. We needed the experienced defenders and forwards (...we still need the latter...) However, I suspect this topic will be discussed for a very long long time ...

"Young talented list built by Roos, primed to take the next step" Those 3 were post Roos, and realistically only Pig took the next step. Watts and Hogan left shortly after too. Roos changed our culture and made some excellent game style changes. But by no means was our flag list built by Roos.

Yes but he'll be sitting at the Collingwood table with his Mummy and Daddy.

I know, but when you leave Qld to go to the school that played in the first ever game of footy you don't need your academy any more. Frankly it's double dipping. And makes it hard to say he's a product of the development work Brisbane did.

i feel sorry for people who can't enjoy our flag and feel the need to devalue the achievement

Not sure if this has been said but by joingoes the guy is good at selecting blame after a loss. He did it against us in 21 and has blamed Covid again last night. You lost mate, suck it up

Red Bull Centre? Too early?

Fitzroy vs South Melbourne 16th sept 1899 at 3.00pm (a good old afternoon game. No tele in those days. Junction oval with 4800 attendance. Roy Boys won by a point. Keeping swans to 1 goal after 1/4 time. 3 goals 9 lions to 3 goals 8 swans And the umpire was I kid you not. I . Crapp. (Ivo was first name) 148 games and 7 grand finals umpired. Could be the razor Ray of his time

Watching the games - the way Goody interacted with players and Roos would only step in when needed and watching the trainings - of which Goodwin took all of them. Watching the game plan change massively - in fact, the final round of 2015 was Goody’s first game in charge. 8000 of us at Docklands vs GWS and the magnets completely changed. A zone defence. Up tempo ball movement. Forward pressure. None of that happened in 2015 until the very final round and then got going in 16. May and Lever weren’t just regular injuries. Almost the entire midfield having surgeries isn’t just injuries. Read this and see Misson was warning everyone before the season even started and then it only got worse as the year went on. https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-melbourne-board-preseason-reportedly-warned-about-injury-toll-and-possible-sluggish-start/news-story/ac5c04b3f5fc1f0bbab2e3fd40b471bf I’d have Scott over Goodwin too but Scott won his first flag with his own players after a decade in charge and they immediately missed finals. But what did they do in the mean time? Add Olli Henry and Tanner Bruhn with meh picks, that makes life easier than trying to draft and develop the likes of JVR and Jefferson. Add guys like Dempsey, Humphries and Mannagh. The difference between the Cats list management and ours is way more than the difference in coaching.

On the other hand what if Oscar Mc had not got injured, probably their most irreplaceable player. What if Coleman, Doedee, McCarthy and Gardiner were available. Yes there are always what ifs. Goody could have nightmares over a thug act and horrible kicking for goal in the 23 finals and unbelievable injuries in 22 finals.

Not just freeing up space - looking for assets to acquire Houston. I don’t think we want to be anywhere near any of their discards, unless virtually free, and even then I’m suspect.

I've just about had a nuffie of this.

Sounds very fair to the other clubs in the AFL. Remind me who is in GF. These advantages need to be peeled back now. 3 of those clubs are top 4 in the AFL and Suns have the list to get there.

No I was.playing!

I think we are at the stage now where the AFL should be diluting the priority access that Brisbane and Sydney to players. Both teams are now well established in their respective cities and have been consistently successful. I am OK to let Gold Coast continue as is as they haven’t a here’s anything yet and their academy is starting to develop local league players. However they should never have been given Darwin as a zone which was ours. Happy for GWS to continue to an extent as they need to make more traction in their market, however they should not have the Victorian Riverina as a part of their zone.

Sometimes I think that people underrate, or overlook, the last quarter of our GF triumph. The last part of the third quarter gets all the accolades but we shouldn't forget that the last quarter was a sensational, relentless display of breathtaking, classic football where we utterly dominated the opposition and didn't stop until AFTER the final siren.

Scott always has an excuse & rarely credits the opposition. Good coach but a professional whiner.

Does anyone else find it ironic that Sydney & Brisbane are playing in the final and Melbourne get a public holiday for it?

Not to mention trading out Hogan and Watts immediately to do it all on Hard Mode

Not sure what all that was about but here's the real thing in 1909 (pre 'Talkies')

I am sure we did that. An approximation would be known.

saving it for revolver

I believe Fagan was playing that day...

So Victoria is having a public holiday this Friday for a Sydney vs Brisbane GF………….righto 🤪🤪🤪

Happy for either side to win it. Port and Geelong didnt make it, thats all that matters.

Scott started with a club that was well run, wealthy, highly successful and benefiting from AFL and State Government largess. Goodwin had to start with a club that was still crawling out of the bottom of the swamp after being on life support for the previous decade.

Every team has challenges. You could do the same exercise with Scott to make him a hypothetical 10 time premiership coach. They are going into a prelim with what I would say is a very mediocre team on paper. That's what sets Scott apart.

No true Melbourne supporter downplays this premiership.