22 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

My entire family is Carlton. I’ll need to stock up on defibrillators for when Jack goes to Collingwood. 😁

Or not 🫣.

8 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Pies bro-in-law: Well, ya see, it's 'cause that boy's got hisself some learnin' and whatnot. Thinks he’s all high ‘n’ mighty ‘cause of it.

He’s one of those intellectuals. I see the problem.

Jack Silvagni averages 14 games a season over nine seasons. Third forward material at best. I’d take Mihochek every day. He is a known reliable contributor.

10 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

My entire family is Carlton. I’ll need to stock up on defibrillators for when Jack goes to Collingwood. 😁

10 hours ago, BoBo said:

I am so, so sorry

Dearest @Ghostwriter, if you ever decide on cognitive-behavioral therapy, relationship-based interventions, systemic interventions, psychoeducational interventions, systemic family therapy, trauma-focused CBT or intensive service provision . . . we are here for you my love. And I'm contactable Monday, Wednesday and Sunday evenings post-game at the therapeutic residential/day care service if you need anything.

Edited 20 hours ago20 hr by Queanbeyan Demon

Definitely entertain. Been a bloody nemesis to us...lol

Super footballer, absolutely yes. We should have gone after him even harder about 3 years ago when Collingwood last tried to stuff him around.

There's not a chance he's leaving, especially to our basket case of a mid organisation.

They will relent in offering him two years but it must be a concern that CFC two most valuable (not best) players are Howe (35) & Mihocek (32).

13 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Yep, everyone cries about what we pay Trac and Clarry, when the reality is that $600k is now a starting wage for most mid level footballers, even injury prone ones.

Most B grade midfielders are on $800k a year now.

No they are crying because they are performing at $700k level and being paid a lot more.

The really good clubs set a culture where players want to stay and leaders take unders to set that culture. This enables you to spread the load and have more top level players

Pendlebury, Selwood, Hodge all did it. Sydney used to under Roos but I think started to lose the blood’s culture once they signed Buddy.

Gawn is probably the only one we have with this mindset.

If you want to take the big money you take the expectation and criticism that comes with it

13 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Yep, everyone cries about what we pay Trac and Clarry, when the reality is that $600k is now a starting wage for most mid level footballers, even injury prone ones.

Most B grade midfielders are on $800k a year now.

I might be harsh but I think $2.6m for Silvagni is way overs. Handy utility player at best.

I'd be flabbergasted if any player of any note asked to come to melbourne. We are so far off it as an organisation, we have very little pull at all. The best we can hope for is some more fringe players like Derksen, who will end up at Casey like all our other recruits.

16 minutes ago, Dannyz said:

There's not a chance he's leaving, especially to our basket case of a mid organisation.

They will relent in offering him two years but it must be a concern that CFC two most valuable (not best) players are Howe (35) & Mihocek (32).

Agree

Why would you leave them for us

We are an absolute rabble

Unless we offered him 3-4 years and good $

8 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

No they are crying because they are performing at $700k level and being paid a lot more.

The really good clubs set a culture where players want to stay and leaders take unders to set that culture. This enables you to spread the load and have more top level players

Pendlebury, Selwood, Hodge all did it. Sydney used to under Roos but I think started to lose the blood’s culture once they signed Buddy.

Gawn is probably the only one we have with this mindset.

If you want to take the big money you take the expectation and criticism that comes with it

But when Trac and Clarry signed their contracts they were performing at the level of their pay.

My point was not that they aren't underperforming, my point was that people cry in hindsight about their contracts, like we had a crystal ball about the future.

The money they are on now, was very much reflective of their output at the time of their re-signing.

And the reality is that if we trade them out, we aren't going to replace them with midfielders who are on $500k a year. I mean we can, but we won't get any better doing that.

And by the way, it's ridiculous to have expected a 25 year old Clarry and a 26 year old Trac to take 'unders' for the team to set the culture, when they were the hottest property in football.

If there's one senior leader who should look at themselves it's Viney and the way he carried on his negotiations last year.

Once you sign a contract, I don't expect a player to say 'ok fine I'll take less'.

3 minutes ago, Trident22 said:

I'd be flabbergasted if any player of any note asked to come to melbourne. We are so far off it as an organisation, we have very little pull at all. The best we can hope for is some more fringe players like Derksen, who will end up at Casey like all our other recruits.

I agree, we are in more hurt than what people realise. Plummeting memberships, questions over the coach's future, a few top line players wanting out last year, form drop, no CEO, basically no president, no identifiable training ground...... I think it's all hitting home and sadly, this all worries me as a club.

13 hours ago, BoBo said:

It’s an interesting decision to want Silvagni in the first place from McCrae, obviously sees something in him. He’s a good utility player for sure, but if I have the choice between the two, I’m choosing Mihocek all day long.

I think the Pies seek Silvagni as a ready made replacement for Howe who is a critical part of their structure and just turned 35.

$700k does feel overs for Jack, but generally it takes overs to get players attention to move. Especially a popular father/son with a famous name at Carlton.

22 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Agree

Why would you leave them for us

We are an absolute rabble

Unless we offered him 3-4 years and good $

Maybe we will offer a deal he can't refuse, Cameron might be out the door as well - it looks like they have serious cap squeeze IMO

Oh ffs!

Low hanging fruit

Face palm emoji

30 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

But when Trac and Clarry signed their contracts they were performing at the level of their pay.

My point was not that they aren't underperforming, my point was that people cry in hindsight about their contracts, like we had a crystal ball about the future.

The money they are on now, was very much reflective of their output at the time of their re-signing.

And the reality is that if we trade them out, we aren't going to replace them with midfielders who are on $500k a year. I mean we can, but we won't get any better doing that.

And by the way, it's ridiculous to have expected a 25 year old Clarry and a 26 year old Trac to take 'unders' for the team to set the culture, when they were the hottest property in football.

If there's one senior leader who should look at themselves it's Viney and the way he carried on his negotiations last year.

Once you sign a contract, I don't expect a player to say 'ok fine I'll take less'.

Normally no but in the case of Oliver he self destructed so he should at least be considering it.

11 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

Maybe we will offer a deal he can't refuse, Cameron might be out the door as well - it looks like they have serious cap squeeze IMO

My mate who is a Pies supporter is of the opinion he’s currently on 400k per season.

3 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

My mate who is a Pies supporter is of the opinion he’s currently on 400k per season.

I’d add at least 50% to that

Reckon Danny is right Though

He probably stays but it seems the Pies are walking a tightrope with their over 30s, with Cameron also considering a move back home to West Coast

It would be a win win if we can shake him loose - we get a veteran forward who straightens us up and can teach our youngsters, while Pies lose a veteran and hopefully move one step closer to falling back down the bottom of the ladder

A man can dream can’t he? 🤣

13 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

My entire family is Carlton. I’ll need to stock up on defibrillators for when Jack goes to Collingwood. 😁

This fascinates me from Carlt supporters, if his surname was anything else they wouldn't bat an eyelid,and he would have been delisted 4 years ago

14 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Yep, everyone cries about what we pay Trac and Clarry, when the reality is that $600k is now a starting wage for most mid level footballers, even injury prone ones.

Most B grade midfielders are on $800k a year now.

Except at Melbourne where we'll double it with no KPIs

32 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

But when Trac and Clarry signed their contracts they were performing at the level of their pay.

My point was not that they aren't underperforming, my point was that people cry in hindsight about their contracts, like we had a crystal ball about the future.

The money they are on now, was very much reflective of their output at the time of their re-signing.

And the reality is that if we trade them out, we aren't going to replace them with midfielders who are on $500k a year. I mean we can, but we won't get any better doing that.

And by the way, it's ridiculous to have expected a 25 year old Clarry and a 26 year old Trac to take 'unders' for the team to set the culture, when they were the hottest property in football.

If there's one senior leader who should look at themselves it's Viney and the way he carried on his negotiations last year.

Once you sign a contract, I don't expect a player to say 'ok fine I'll take less'.

You may think it’s ridiculous but it’s probably why we have a disconnect with our players and lacking in leadership.

It’s not a crystal ball it would have shown the footy world they as individuals had absolute buy in and wanted to build a legacy. I’m not asking them to take massive unders or even take them but let’s not complain about them copping criticism.

Both are probably victims of things beyond their control Trac the kidney/spleen injury and Clarry with his mental health.

It’s not just on field, Clarry caused a big disconnect with his offield behaviour through 2023 and into 2024, which still runs today in the playing group

I fully understand he has personal issues that impact him and may be the reason he is not at the required fitness level he needs to be.

Nobody mentioned $500k for a player, but if we’re paying $1 to $1.2 million give me a second round pick and we’ll pay $3-4 00k to him and have a further $8-900k for a mid who is prepared to get the best out of themselves in terms of preparation and every week is prepared to run both ways.

3 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Dearest @Ghostwriter, if you ever decide on cognitive-behavioral therapy, relationship-based interventions, systemic interventions, psychoeducational interventions, systemic family therapy, trauma-focused CBT or intensive service provision . . . we are here for you my love. And I'm contactable Monday, Wednesday and Sunday evenings post-game at the therapeutic residential/day care service if you need anything.

I was waiting for Uncle Bitters to make that offer. But Brody M. Gives all he has got each time he plays. Yes from me,

Smells of a Jamie Elliott scenario. Using leverage to get the best offer from the Pies