NON-MFC: Round 01

[Lord Travis 10,819]

8 hours ago, red&blue1982 said:

Tonight's game with Sydney playing it, and was like every other Sydney game played for the last twenty years.

Congest the game, form and scrum(or whatever they call it in rugby when they stop/start), then congest again, frustrate, and break if you can.

Horrible to watch.

Were you watching the same game? The Swans were breaking into open space and hitting targets cleanly by foot all night. They have been for a while now. They're an attacking side who take it on off half back and are usually a good team to watch.

What you described is a Melbourne match under Goodwin; congested, defensive, low scoring and boring.

[Demonsone 2,056]

Smug pies supporters constantly jumping on Dees pages have gone silent,  no one flukes a flag they are still good & will come back but the taxing football of coming from behind and winning by a few points catches up to you 

[Dee*ceiving 1,738]

3 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Were you watching the same game? The Swans were breaking into open space and hitting targets cleanly by foot all night. They have been for a while now. They're an attacking side who take it on off half back and are usually a good team to watch.

What you described is a Melbourne match under Goodwin; congested, defensive, low scoring and boring.

Couldn't agree more LT. Swans ran in waves and broke the pies open in q2 and 3. 

Swans should have been leading at QT. Only late goals from the pies and some sloppy set shots from Sydney prevented a real belting 

[No. 31 1,404]

I went to the MCG on Thursday night, early umpiring gifts for the Tigers, a spirited showing by them. The Blues were still good enough to win despite not being that polished. Harry McKay has had good set shot kicking for 2 games now! When Weitering, Walsh, Marchbank, Martin & Motlop become available for Carlton, they can step it up another notch or two.

Caught some of Swans v Carringbush on tv last night. Swans looking switched on and polished with a quality midfield. Looks like the Pies didn't 'take the steps' in the preseason but opted for taking the escalator with a bong in hand instead. Loving their insipid start to 2024. A few more losses in the coming weeks (quite possible) could really dent their top 4 push 😃

[mauriesy 7,444]

29 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

What you described is a Melbourne match under Goodwin; congested, defensive, low scoring and boring.

Last year Melbourne scored 2002 points, Sydney scored 1994. Not much different.

[leave it to deever 17,618]

36 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Were you watching the same game? The Swans were breaking into open space and hitting targets cleanly by foot all night. They have been for a while now. They're an attacking side who take it on off half back and are usually a good team to watch.

What you described is a Melbourne match under Goodwin; congested, defensive, low scoring and boring.

Their dash was a joy to watch. To be fair to the other poster, I thought the Swans did flood the Pies fwd line. They did it consistently and effectively. Just like they did to us.

Edit just read the other post again. I see what you mean. Cheers Lord Travis 

Edited March 15, 2024 by leave it to deever

[Ollie fan 3,671]

Surely the Sydney win over Collingwood should ( but  it  won't) shut some of the doomsayers up - those who said, Melbourne is gone, we should be more like Collingwood etc etc.. They beat us by 22 pts on their home ground, with conditions they are used to which suited them. Collingwood lost by 33 pts on their home ground (yuk!) in conditions that suited Collingwood perfectly. 
 

Sydney is a very good team; they always are; losing to them is not the end of our season!

[dees189227 12,512]

I think Collingwood will be OK and unfortunately be up there again, but it must be a concern for McCrae the margins they are getting beaten by.  

That didn't happen last year 

[old55 23,860]

4 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

I think Collingwood will be OK and unfortunately be up there again, but it must be a concern for McCrae the margins they are getting beaten by.  

That didn't happen last year 

But they always win the close ones ...

[Whispering_Jack 31,368]

Last night’s performance by the Swans again suggested to me that one advantage to be had from losing to them was that we had the front row seat to witness the direction football is taking in 2024. Let’s see if we’re up to doing what they did last night.

[Demon17 5,262]

1 hour ago, Demonsone said:

Smug pies supporters constantly jumping on Dees pages have gone silent,  no one flukes a flag they are still good & will come back but the taxing football of coming from behind and winning by a few points catches up to you 

We win the flag then in 22 win first 10 games. Then injuries

Pies and cats falling off a cliff.

Go dees.

 

Edited March 15, 2024 by Demon17
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[monoccular 17,760]

1 hour ago, Demonsone said:

Smug pies supporters constantly jumping on Dees pages have gone silent,  no one flukes a flag they are still good & will come back but the taxing football of coming from behind and winning by a few points catches up to you 

Hopefully catches up with the Visy 💰mob from Royal Parade soon too. 

Edited March 15, 2024 by monoccular

[Deemania since 56 6,808]

On 13/03/2024 at 17:38, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Be interesting if Sydney can back up their impressive performance.

They certainly were impressive. Sydney are this season's showcase foot passers (so far) with that touch of forward mobility and across-the-field support.

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,548]

Can Sydney’s style of footy under Longmire stack up on Grand Final day?

History suggests no.

I think they’ll have an outstanding home and away season but I’d be looking at others to win it all.

[waynewussell 6,976]

I note that Grundy came in 35th on the Fantasy Points scoreboard last night. I wonder if we will hear the same sort of media trumpeting we had to endure in round zero!

[Wodjathefirst 2,671]

2 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Smug pies supporters constantly jumping on Dees pages have gone silent,  no one flukes a flag they are still good & will come back but the taxing football of coming from behind and winning by a few points catches up to you 

One can only hope that the ‘winning by a few points’ catches up with Carlton during this season 🤞
Edit-(Sorry Monocular- just saw your post above)

Edited March 15, 2024 by Wodjathefirst

[drysdale demon 4,837]

Has the FLY been swatted?

[DubDee 26,674]

Bombers midfield looks vfl standard if you take out Merrett. 

And they are wheeling out Goldstein as their first ruck. Turns 36 soon

I might watch the game just for the craic

[binman 44,824]

On 15/03/2024 at 11:06, Brownie said:

I went to a music trivia night at a brewery instead of watching Carlton and I won a slab. I'd call that a win I guess.

@binman just wondering on your thoughts of the Richmond gameplan and style with Yze in charge? 

 

@Brownie

I wrote this in response to a post about how the Swans played:

'The handball, tap on  get it forward at cost method was really noticeable wasn't it. 

It's actually what we are trying to do, so I'd disagree we're playing safe, at least in the three games we've played thus far.

The tigers have played a similar model too in their four games ie lots of  chaotic handballing and knock on with a focus on forward movement and swarming.

Perhaps it's this years version of the Pies 2022 and 2023 fast translation from half back method with the same wave running and handballs, but with less kicking (ie Pies used aggressive, quality kicking to cut through zones - whilst still using hand to link up).

What was impressive about the Swans tonight was they also kicked super well.

That said, they had a lot of kicks under no pressure. Pies were gassed.'

Short version - the tigers method under yze looks very similar to ours this seasons.

Its interesting  the way the tigers are playing also looks very similar to how they played under Mcqualter. And Mcqualter is now of course our midfield coach, and apparently responsible for transition. Mini is the common link. 

Edited March 16, 2024 by binman

[Sydee 4,684]

4 hours ago, Dee*ceiving said:

We will have a better clue tomorrow as to if our efforts against the swans, on their ground, in tough conditions, with a makeshift forward line was actually pretty admirable. 

Seeing what they did to the pies last night, on a full size ground, does give the impression they are contenders. 

Exciting times for bloods fans 

Or Collingwood just think it’s going to fall into place again without the same level of effort - or maybe a combination of these things 

[640MD 3,568]

13 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Or Collingwood just think it’s going to fall into place again without the same level of effort - or maybe a combination of these things 

Bloomenwell hope so.  Cos it won’t.

effort all year from the whole side.   Perhaps some players picked for particular roles and only played in the ones every third game.  It my belief that the whole club deserves to be rewarded not just those in the winning GF side.

go Dee’s 

[Engorged Onion 10,226]

28 minutes ago, binman said:

ie lots of  chaotic handballing

An overall comment on language of calling that game style 'chaos'.

I really dislike the language of chaos/chaotic use of the ball when it is clearly a preferred game style of breaking down defensive structures by certain teams.

That game style is planned, and it's a deliberate strategy around willingness to risk, and wear the fall out if it comes unstuck. It's a territory at all costs game plan. And I think it infers that the decision to play like that is not bound by strategic thinking.

However maybe I'm just a bit sensitive and that's all my [censored] interpretation of the word.

Probably a comment directed to the overall media as residual from the Tigers 3 premierships really, rather than you @binman or anyone else that uses it.

Edited March 16, 2024 by Engorged Onion

[Demonland 74,430]

 

[binman 44,824]

27 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

An overall comment on language of calling that game style 'chaos'.

I really dislike the language of chaos/chaotic use of the ball when it is clearly a preferred game style of breaking down defensive structures by certain teams.

That game style is planned, and it's a deliberate strategy around willingness to risk, and wear the fall out if it comes unstuck. It's a territory at all costs game plan. And I think it infers that the decision to play like that is not bound by strategic thinking.

However maybe I'm just a bit sensitive and that's all my [censored] interpretation of the word.

Probably a comment directed to the overall media as residual from the Tigers 3 premierships really, rather than you @binman or anyone else that uses it.

Fair enough EO.

You're right, the way the swans (and dees and tigers) are playing is clearly a strategic and planned method - and as you suggest a fundamental element of her method is taking territory at all cost, though more by hand than foot. 

An you're also right, it is really a twist on  the approach tigers perfected in their flag years. 

Its worth noting though that Goody was experimenting in the 2023 preseason and first few games with really long handballs forward.

A better way of describing is perhaps that it looks somewhat chaotic. 

It's an interesting model becuase it is impossible to implement without hundreds hours of all team practice over the preseason, drilling it in, honing the handball skills (for example the increasingly used over the head and bounce handballs) and practicing positioning and structures.

On the latter point, how often did the Swans handball blind but still find teammate? That sort of synergy can't be magicked up, so if clubs didn't put in the time in the preseason its going to be all but impossible to implment in season.

From all the training reports, my observation at the two training sessions i've been too, and our three games it looks like we have done the work.

The other interesitng thing is it is a model that might be exposed come finals becuase each handball creates a trurnover opposrtubity.

But as i've noted i think there are now two seasons and two methods - home and and away and finals. 

Come finals the game devolves into the sort of brutal rugby scrap we saw last year (whilst still retaining elements of the home and away season method)

[dees189227 12,512]

Gosh I hope hawthorn win today.  Don't think I'll watch because I don't want to look at essendon. 

But will be tuning into gws v nth because gws are enjoyable to watch and want to see how much nth have improved