Don't think Carlton would have done the same.

9 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Don't think Carlton would have done the same.

and i'm sure maynard wouldn't have ...

How did the umpires not see at least blood all over his jumper. They didn't want to. Or Ignored it. 

Sparrow seemed to apologize to Walsh for forcing him into the fence and giving away a totally unnecessary and match defining free kick in the last quarter🙄

Not at all surprised by Clarry's great sportsmanship. He is one of the bravest, toughest I have seen but going by opponents body language he is well respected by his peers and the opposition. They simply respect his toughness and fair play as well as his skills. Well done Clarry that action didn't cost us the game.

8 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Oliver is a very tough unrelenting footballer.

He shows that you can be this while remaining a sportsman and without being a thug or a sniper.

We’ll said

Nup. Rules are rules. See him off. Maybe win the game. Into a prelim. We don’t blink twice. This is just seeking solace. 
 

 

ducks for cover ….. 

17 hours ago, daisycutter said:

and i'm sure maynard wouldn't have ...

Maynard would have ripped his nose off. 

It was Maynard's birthday yesterday. I sent him a card saying 'Whatever else Gus does with his life, he'll always be remembered as one of the heroes who gave us our first flag in 57 years. Whatever else you do with your life, you'll always be remembered as the coward who smashed him in the skull with your shoulder when he was at his most vulnerable".

21 hours ago, daisycutter said:

i don't understand why we have such a restrictive blood rule these days. the hiv days hysteria is surely passe

the nrl is much bloodier, yet they don't send players off for just a drop of blood

More a case of both aesthetics -- not having players covered in blood while playing -- and also mending the wound to prevent infection/further infliction. I don't think HIV was ever really the driving force behind the blood rule beyond the 90s.

Not often I would agree with Joel Selwood.

But I do with his comments this time.

Here is the news article in question: https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/joel-selwood-slams-clayton-olivers-classy-sportsmanship/news-story/c717d5d17eb17f0ba7db6cf1ae174252

As Neale Daniher said many years ago....the Demons need to be more ruthless!

Is it really a coincidence that Clarry's act was on the loser side of things while Maynard plays in a Grand Final?

#fisted 

On 9/20/2023 at 8:54 AM, KysaiahMessiah said:

‘Wow’: Clayton Oliver’s unseen act of sportsmanship to Patrick Cripps wins over Blues fans

Would you have done the same ?  

Professional sport is often a game of centimetres. Everything done or not done can have enormous ramifications on the result.

Clarry is my favourite player so let me put that out there first. But I agree with Selwood and Cotchin, that what he did was just dumb. Getting Cripps off the ground, in that last quarter, could have seen us in a PF and maybe even a GF.

It was not the time or place to be a nice guy. Semis are sudden death. Cripps, imo would not have done the same. His scragging and occasional  hard physical acts, show a determination to win at all costs.

Do we forgive guys who don’t go when it is their opportunity? Collingwood is in the GF. Look at how many of their players are prepared to hurt opponents. Maynard, Cox, Adams and Mihocek often snipe and even Pendles, yes Pendles will “innocently “ hurt players and even Nick Daicos gut punched a Giant and buried Daniels head first, which put him off the ground in the vital last few minutes.

Winners are grinners. Ask our Coaches if they are happy with Clarry’s gesture. Ask his team mates.

No, for me it was a dumb act, from not one of our brightest.

Edited September 24, 20231 yr by Redleg

29 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Professional sport is often a game of centimetres. Everything done or not done can have enormous ramifications on the result.

Clarry is my favourite player so let me put that out there first. But I agree with Selwood and Cotchin, that what he did was just dumb. Getting Cripps off the ground, in that last quarter, could have seen us in a PF and maybe even a GF.

It was not the time or place to be a nice guy. Cripps, imo would not have done the same. His scragging and occasional  hard physical acts, show a determination to win at all costs.

Do we forgive guys who don’t go when it is their opportunity? Collingwood is in the GF. Look at how many of their players are prepared to hurt opponents. Maynard, Cox, Adams and Mihocek often snipe and even Pendles, yes Pendles will “innocently “ hurt players and even Nick Daicos gut punched a Giant and buried Daniels head first, which put him off the ground in the vital last few minutes.

Winners are grinners. Ask our Coaches if they are happy with Clarry’s gesture. Ask his team mates.

No, for me it was a dumb act, from not one of our brightest.

Agree 100% red.

You have to use up every little advantage you can take in a game even if it's the small percentage as you say. This was a cut throat final and our season hanging in the balance. Oliver needed to say something to the umpire. There is a blood rule for a reason and why he didn't decide to call him out to the umpire is mind blowing. 

We're just not a ruthless footy club unfortunately. People can say what they want about Selwood and Cotchin but their success record comes of the back of setting a ruthless standard on and off the field.

When you have Jack Viney the only one willing to fly the flag against Maynard by himself the week prior then that speaks volume in itself.

Edited September 24, 20231 yr by dazzledavey36

Not sure this has been reported but heard the whisper that Clarry played with a partially torn meniscus! If so a sensational effort

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Not sure this has been reported but heard the whisper that Clarry played with a partially torn meniscus! If so a sensational effort

No one doubts his courage and hardness at the contest.

I think he even played with a face fracture in the semi last year against the Lions.

On 9/21/2023 at 12:44 PM, praha said:

More a case of both aesthetics -- not having players covered in blood while playing -- and also mending the wound to prevent infection/further infliction. I don't think HIV was ever really the driving force behind the blood rule beyond the 90s.

Typical Aussie reaction.

If it's not talked about it it must be ok!!

HIV or COVID have not magically disappeared and are still diseases that are catchable in  the community today!

What has happened is that Medical Science has discovered safer ways of dealing with them ( as you would be aware) but it doesn't mean wiping blood off or wearing a mask has lost any of it's safety aspect at the coalface.  Simple preventative acts like this are common sense and easier to still do than risk even the minimal chance of being infected by these insidious diseases and spreading them to your family workmates or fellow sportsman. 

Road speed restrictions are provided for the same reason to protect ourselves ( and others) from ourselves. 

At the end of the day I don't hate the gesture. It's fine and there's nothing wrong with Clarry. I'm indifferent to it but if you put as much into supporting this club as most of us do what was the headlines you wanted to hear after this final? That's right, successful ones. Headlines about how Melbourne's resilience got us over the line or how we were the team toughest the longest. Not good a good act of sportsmanship crowbarred in between a million different journos lining up to clip us.

That 1%er of ruthlessness, I don't see any of the great Hawthorn or Geelong teams doing these kinds of gestures in their prime. 

Not the worst thing to happen but after how we went out it wasn't exactly something to make me feel better. 

6 hours ago, Redleg said:

Professional sport is often a game of centimetres. Everything done or not done can have enormous ramifications on the result.

Clarry is my favourite player so let me put that out there first. But I agree with Selwood and Cotchin, that what he did was just dumb. Getting Cripps off the ground, in that last quarter, could have seen us in a PF and maybe even a GF.

It was not the time or place to be a nice guy. Semis are sudden death. Cripps, imo would not have done the same. His scragging and occasional  hard physical acts, show a determination to win at all costs.

Do we forgive guys who don’t go when it is their opportunity? Collingwood is in the GF. Look at how many of their players are prepared to hurt opponents. Maynard, Cox, Adams and Mihocek often snipe and even Pendles, yes Pendles will “innocently “ hurt players and even Nick Daicos gut punched a Giant and buried Daniels head first, which put him off the ground in the vital last few minutes.

Winners are grinners. Ask our Coaches if they are happy with Clarry’s gesture. Ask his team mates.

No, for me it was a dumb act, from not one of our brightest.

I am afraid I have to agree. Smith helping Weitering up when he looked like he couldn't get up was worse. Proved they are very nice boys and their parents may be proud...but no chocolates. And I think it then pervades the team. 

On 9/20/2023 at 3:31 PM, 4_Kent_Watts said:

How did the umpires not see at least blood all over his jumper. They didn't want to. Or Ignored it. 

I thought, unless the blood was free flowing, that players didn’t get sent off anymore. Therefore, a bit of blood wiped on the jumper or shorts wasn’t an issue. 

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I thought, unless the blood was free flowing, that players didn’t get sent off anymore. Therefore, a bit of blood wiped on the jumper or shorts wasn’t an issue. 

IT was dribbling from his nose continually.

10 hours ago, Redleg said:

Professional sport is often a game of centimetres. Everything done or not done can have enormous ramifications on the result.

Clarry is my favourite player so let me put that out there first. But I agree with Selwood and Cotchin, that what he did was just dumb. Getting Cripps off the ground, in that last quarter, could have seen us in a PF and maybe even a GF.

It was not the time or place to be a nice guy. Semis are sudden death. Cripps, imo would not have done the same. His scragging and occasional  hard physical acts, show a determination to win at all costs.

Do we forgive guys who don’t go when it is their opportunity? Collingwood is in the GF. Look at how many of their players are prepared to hurt opponents. Maynard, Cox, Adams and Mihocek often snipe and even Pendles, yes Pendles will “innocently “ hurt players and even Nick Daicos gut punched a Giant and buried Daniels head first, which put him off the ground in the vital last few minutes.

Winners are grinners. Ask our Coaches if they are happy with Clarry’s gesture. Ask his team mates.

No, for me it was a dumb act, from not one of our brightest.

Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious......

( concur 100% btw 😉 ) 

On 9/25/2023 at 10:44 AM, 58er said:

Typical Aussie reaction.

If it's not talked about it it must be ok!!

HIV or COVID have not magically disappeared and are still diseases that are catchable in  the community today!

What has happened is that Medical Science has discovered safer ways of dealing with them ( as you would be aware) but it doesn't mean wiping blood off or wearing a mask has lost any of it's safety aspect at the coalface.  Simple preventative acts like this are common sense and easier to still do than risk even the minimal chance of being infected by these insidious diseases and spreading them to your family workmates or fellow sportsman. 

Road speed restrictions are provided for the same reason to protect ourselves ( and others) from ourselves. 

HIV has been pretty much eradicated in Australia. Further, the chances of getting HIV from simply touching infected blood is close to 0%. It is 0% if the person is on treatment. An AFL player would know they have HIV given they undertake medicals. Thus they'd be on treatment which is eradication in practice insofar as they don't stop treatment. 

The blood rule has way more to do with protecting the person bleeding, than it does protecting those around them.

 

I mentioned this in another thread, but it's more relevant in this one.

In round 18, 2018 , we were leading Geelong at Geelong by less than a goal with about a minute remaining.

The ball was in our forward pocket, and Max Gawn sustained a tiny split on the lip from (another, unpenalised), headhigh tackle.

I don't know if a Geelong player dobbed him in , or one of the umps noticed that there was a tiny blood speck on his lip.

  He was ordered off the ground.

Tom McDonald ran up from the backline to  compete in the ruck.  Geelong won a clearance, and the ball went to Touhy in our undermanned backline,35m from goal when the siren went. He goaled, we lost, and  at the end of the season we missed the top 4 by one game.

I think it was that game where Dangerfield cheated early on by quietly telling the ump he'd be rucking in their forward pocket,  so our guys didn't hear it.  They tried to block him, he got the free, and the goal, then winked smugly at Hawkins.

The moral?......don't be a good sport to Geelong, Clarrie!   (or Collingwood, for god's sake)

 

 

Edited September 27, 20231 yr by Jumping Jack Clennett
Factual error corrected

Unfortunately, it was an embarrassing reminder of what Clayton can do too often.

Not thinking before doing.

A lot of players did something that night that will haunt them.

Smith helping Weitering.

Gawn's mind-bogglingly wild decision to touch the ball on the line which should have been a goal for us.

Jack Viney's right foot scrap kick on the wing, final minute.

Jake Lever's decision to go long down the line rather than hit an angle short kick to soak seconds.

It was honestly like a series of biblical moments that last quarter. Symbolising everything that undoes us as a side.

And of course, we lost it.

 

 

Edited September 27, 20231 yr by JimmyGadson

On reflection, I'm not sure you can argue Oliver's act was sporting.  If you believe the rules are there to be obeyed and the AFL has instituted the blood rule to ensure player safety, then you should point it out to the umpires as a sporting matter. Not to do so is endangering all other players according to the AFL's rules.

Although many of us believe the current blood rule is unnecessary for player safety and totally over the top, it doesn't change that.   Rules are the rules and the AFL in its infinite wisdom has deemed it necessary for player safety.  Whereas confessing that you touched an apparent goal for your team is a sporting act (however misguided).