Phantom Drafts 2023

[Colm 1,486]

12 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Names now attached to the picks for the Eagles.

Reid

Vs

Curtin, Tholstrup, Future 1st.

 

Eagles could easily split 11 and end up with 2 of Tholstrup, Hardeman or Collard along with Curtin and a future first. IF (and it’s a huge if) they think Curtin gets to our pick they would be mad not to do it. 
I don’t think we are playing games though, it’s not our style. Our interest in Tholstrup must be genuine. 

[spirit of norm smith 13,421]

Koltyn Tholstrup plays like Camron Rayner… best comparison imv 

[The Jackson FIX 2,297]

9 hours ago, Colm said:

We are starting to be linked with a few players that are rated a bit lower down than our pick 11 so I wonder if your right and we are covering our bases should we end up doing a trade with north for picks 3&15. 

Or 6 for: Wet Toast future first + 3rd rounder this year 

[fr_ap 2,178]

15 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Any kind of May comparison is crazy and I’m not even sold Curtin is a great interceptor like Lever.

But what if he takes over the Salem role in a few years and as a bonus is 197cm?

Or if he has the tank plays wing and you get a bonus interceptor and marking forward as he moves up and back.

Or even better what if he is a midfielder even if he isn’t the speediest or strongest he takes on the role Pendles plays right now as more of a centreman who drops back and skirts the contest and provides high level skills.

I think there’s ways to use him that maximise his skills without his deficiencies getting exploited.

I'm not sure a taller Salem is something anyone needs. Salem doesn't play on anyone that tall and nor should he if he is a rebounding creative half back. Are there any weapon 197cm quarterbacks in the league? Stewart would be the tallest wouldn't he and he's 190. 

The Wing call I don't believe in either - tall wings have been tried and mostly fail. Tomlinson is actually in many respects a similiar athlete to Curtin and that failed too. In fact - Tomlinson is probably a good example of the danger of picking Curtin.

There are similarities to Tommo at the same age. 

If you're saying he's a Mid at 197cm, he needs to play like Cripps to make the most of that size, as he will invariably be giving away speed, agility, ground level. I'm not sure Curtin plays anything like Cripps.

Watch this: 

Now this is a kid in the WAFL so not going to be overly critical...but he already has the body to compete. I don't see a whole heap of competitiveness, tricks, or thirst for the contest. Relatively meek in the contest. Looks lovely in space, a very nice kicking action and does win some defensive 1v1s...but coughs the ball up in most contest situations. 

Tholstrup, who certainly has his flaws, played for the opposition and actually made Curtin look a little second rate at several contests. With a smaller body:

 

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by fr_ap

[adonski 9,291]

Can someone do the honours 

 

 

[demoncat 647]

13 minutes ago, adonski said:

Can someone do the honours 

 

 

We tried to get pick 1 and were knocked back, don’t have any more assets to increase our offer

We’ll seriously consider Curtin if he falls to pick 6

We’ve also been linked to Leake and to a lesser extent Caddy, and will take Windsor with our second pick if he’s still there 

Honestly just sounds like more speculation and parroting what other sites have said 🤷‍♂️

[adonski 9,291]

Just now, demoncat said:

We tried to get pick 1 and were knocked back, don’t have any more assets to increase our offer

We’ll seriously consider Curtin if he falls to pick 6

We’ve also been linked to Leake and to a lesser extent Caddy, and will take Windsor with our second pick if he’s still there 

Honestly just sounds like more speculation and parroting what other sites have said 🤷‍♂️

More dart throwing 

[Pennant St Dee 11,481]

3 hours ago, fr_ap said:

I'm not sure a taller Salem is something anyone needs. Salem doesn't play on anyone that tall and nor should he if he is a rebounding creative half back. Are there any weapon 197cm quarterbacks in the league? Stewart would be the tallest wouldn't he and he's 190. 

The Wing call I don't believe in either - tall wings have been tried and mostly fail. Tomlinson is actually in many respects a similiar athlete to Curtin and that failed too. In fact - Tomlinson is probably a good example of the danger of picking Curtin.

There are similarities to Tommo at the same age. 

If you're saying he's a Mid at 197cm, he needs to play like Cripps to make the most of that size, as he will invariably be giving away speed, agility, ground level. I'm not sure Curtin plays anything like Cripps.

Watch this: 

Now this is a kid in the WAFL so not going to be overly critical...but he already has the body to compete. I don't see a whole heap of competitiveness, tricks, or thirst for the contest. Relatively meek in the contest. Looks lovely in space, a very nice kicking action and does win some defensive 1v1s...but coughs the ball up in most contest situations. 

Tholstrup, who certainly has his flaws, played for the opposition and actually made Curtin look a little second rate at several contests. With a smaller body:

 

 

Not quite sure what you’re talking about with regard to Tholstrup making Curtin look second rate. I was at this game and Subi in general made Claremont look second rate during this game and it was only accurate kicking by Claremont in the 3rd which let them stay close. They were smashed in the middle by the Hickmott boys and took the ball forward at will. Curtin played on Luker Kentfield that day and Tholstrup played mostly as a forward with occasional time on the ball.  I rate them both but they were hardly matched up against each other during this game. There’s a big difference between being involved in a contest and having to move off a player to close down a free hit up opponent 

[Gator 16,921]

If you don't rate Curtin you've got glass eyes.

Or you're trying to find flaws, i.e. the old Simon Black syndrome.

[adonski 9,291]

Could Curtin play as a CHF pushing up the ground...utilising the size, kicking and poise going i50 

 

[DeeSpencer 23,491]

15 minutes ago, adonski said:

Could Curtin play as a CHF pushing up the ground...utilising the size, kicking and poise going i50 

 

That hasn’t been a position since at least Nick Riewoldt if not before. And the only successful key back to key forward transition in recent years has been Naughton who is a physical marking beast. 

[Pennant St Dee 11,481]

32 minutes ago, adonski said:

Could Curtin play as a CHF pushing up the ground...utilising the size, kicking and poise going i50 

 

Raw as a forward played there before the national championship this year in tandem with SVR. Could play there but not something he’s familiar with prior to this year

[mo64 5,260]

19 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

That hasn’t been a position since at least Nick Riewoldt if not before. And the only successful key back to key forward transition in recent years has been Naughton who is a physical marking beast. 

Hopefully Harry Petty bucks that trend. With the Dees and not the Crows of course.

[dazzledavey36 49,348]

Anyone provide summary?

 

[DistrACTION Jackson 6,564]

12 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Anyone provide summary?

 

He's gone very left field

 

Early mail mock draft

1. Harley Reid (West Coast)

2. Colby McKercher (North Melbourne)

3. Jed Walter (Gold Coast - matching North Melbourne bid)

4. Zane Duursma (North Melbourne)

5. Nick Watson (Hawthorn)

6. Ryley Sanders (Western Bulldogs)

7. Caleb Windsor (Melbourne)

8. James Leake (GWS)

9. Ethan Read (Gold Coast - matching Geelong bid)

10. Daniel Curtin (Geelong)

11. Nate Caddy (Essendon)

12. Connor O’Sullivan (Adelaide)

13. Koltyn Tholstrup (Melbourne)

14. Jake Rogers (Gold Coast - matching Sydney bid)

15. Jordan Croft (Western Bulldogs - matching Sydney bid)

16. Will Green (Sydney)

17. Darcy Wilson (St Kilda)

18. Will McCabe (Hawthorn - matching Adelaide bid)

19. Charlie Edwards (Adelaide)

20. Harry DeMattia (North Melbourne)

21. Tew Jiath (GWS)

22. Taylor Goad (North Melbourne)

23. Wil Dawson (North Melbourne)

24. Will Graham (Gold Coast - matching Collingwood bid)

25. Caiden Cleary (Sydney - matching Collingwood bid)

26. Lance Collard (Collingwood)

27. Angus Hastie (Adelaide)

28. Arie Schoenmaker (St Kilda)

29. Ashton Moir (Carlton)

[Axis of Bob 10,379]

1 hour ago, Gator said:

If you don't rate Curtin you've got glass eyes.

Or you're trying to find flaws, i.e. the old Simon Black syndrome.

He does have flaws that are important but I totally agree about the Simon Black syndrome aspect. The things he does well are exceptionally good.

I think he's got the best chance of all the players likely to be available at our pick to be a genuine star. I prefer him as a midfielder than as a key defender but even his worst case probably see him become a very composed and competent defender.

[fr_ap 2,178]

1 hour ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Not quite sure what you’re talking about with regard to Tholstrup making Curtin look second rate. I was at this game and Subi in general made Claremont look second rate during this game and it was only accurate kicking by Claremont in the 3rd which let them stay close. They were smashed in the middle by the Hickmott boys and took the ball forward at will. Curtin played on Luker Kentfield that day and Tholstrup played mostly as a forward with occasional time on the ball.  I rate them both but they were hardly matched up against each other during this game. There’s a big difference between being involved in a contest and having to move off a player to close down a free hit up opponent 

Fair enough. Clearly I wasn't there and you were - my perspective was from watching both those videos which are clearly extremely limited samples. Nonetheless, they meet at several contests, certainly enough to make it look like they at least started the game on each other (Tholstrup forward, Curtin back). In the contests they were both involved in, Tholstrup won most. 

Not fussed how Subi made Claremont look.

My opinion doesn't count for anything, but I see a nice player who for his size is unnatural and unhappy in the contest. All I've watched are highlights, so I'm not claiming any knowledge. Just first impressions and observations. 

I assume I'm wrong as far better judges than me think he'll be great, but they always do on these prospects & each year c.30-50% of the top 10 are busts. They're often wrong. 

Clearly if we draft him I hope he's a generational star forward, mid, back, wing, quarterback, wherever. 

Just go and watch the Adam Tomlinson 2011 Draft video on Youtube. Similiar wraps. Played forward, back, midfield. Clean skills, huge tank. Nice looking player. But there was always a hesitancy / fragility in the contest that Tommo still plays with today relative to the absolute unit of a body he has to work with. I see some similiarities. 

Edited November 17, 2023 by fr_ap

[Pennant St Dee 11,481]

1 hour ago, fr_ap said:

Fair enough. Clearly I wasn't there and you were - my perspective was from watching both those videos which are clearly extremely limited samples. Nonetheless, they meet at several contests, certainly enough to make it look like they at least started the game on each other (Tholstrup forward, Curtin back). In the contests they were both involved in, Tholstrup won most. 

Not fussed how Subi made Claremont look.

My opinion doesn't count for anything, but I see a nice player who for his size is unnatural and unhappy in the contest. All I've watched are highlights, so I'm not claiming any knowledge. Just first impressions and observations. 

I assume I'm wrong as far better judges than me think he'll be great, but they always do on these prospects & each year c.30-50% of the top 10 are busts. They're often wrong. 

Clearly if we draft him I hope he's a generational star forward, mid, back, wing, quarterback, wherever. 

Just go and watch the Adam Tomlinson 2011 Draft video on Youtube. Similiar wraps. Played forward, back, midfield. Clean skills, huge tank. Nice looking player. But there was always a hesitancy / fragility in the contest that Tommo still plays with today relative to the absolute unit of a body he has to work with. I see some similiarities. 

I don’t need to watch Tomlinson, I know plenty about Curtin, spent a lot of time working with him so I’ll back that.

[dazzledavey36 49,348]

What is this??

 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,333]

States Weagles plan to offer F1 to get Curtin and this would likely be with GWS. Expect Hawks to take Watson and that Dees ""have been dazzled by draft bolter Caleb Windsor, a blistering outside mid who kicks goals and would immediately add polish to the clubs forward connection issues....The demons know they need to pounce to get Windsor at 6 because GWS will otherwise take" 

Article states Geelong like Caddy at 8 and Essendon is keen on OSullivan at 9. 

If that occurred that would leave one of Wilson or Leake for us at 11 as well. 

Edited November 17, 2023 by Lil_red_fire_engine

[ChaserJ 4,008]

That's now both the Age & HS that are thinking we'll take Windsor at 6.

[adonski 9,291]

Omg a non plodding midfielder

Tears of joy 

[Demonstone 19,692]

Wilson doesn't look too excited about the prospect of joining Melbourne.

We might need to have him train with Mick Stinear's squad and have T. Hanks mentor him.  

[whatwhat say what 19,711]

3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

That hasn’t been a position since at least Nick Riewoldt if not before. And the only successful key back to key forward transition in recent years has been Naughton who is a physical marking beast. 

well, and tom mcdonald, whose best season for goals (53 in 2018) is still better than naughton's best season for goals (51 in 2022)

 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,333]

7 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

That's now both the Age & HS that are thinking we'll take Windsor at 6.

The Age "early mail mock" has us taking Windsor then Tholstrup (O'Sullivan going to Swans to picks later).