Phantom Drafts 2023

[adonski 10,523]

3 minutes ago, 2021 said:

We already offered 6 & F1 for 4..

Already too much. I've always admired our aggressiveness but we need to stop trying to get every shiny new toy we see ! 

[Demonsterative 2,975]

5 minutes ago, adonski said:

Already too much. I've always admired our aggressiveness but we need to stop trying to get every shiny new toy we see ! 

JT doesn’t  move unless he sees a talent worth moving for. His track record is worth trusting. 

Edited November 18, 2023 by Demonsterative

[Mach5 4,515]

4 minutes ago, Demonsterative said:

JT does move unless he sees a talent worth moving for. His track record is worth trusting. 

Don’t think he’s been wrong yet.

Weideman is the example trotted out, but his pick was the relative steak knives in the deal with primary target being Oliver.

Even back in the Brayshaw/Petracca draft, we tried to move Trengove for Lever. 

Edited November 18, 2023 by Mach5

[dazzledavey36 52,155]

13 minutes ago, Demonsterative said:

I don’t see the point in this unless the club has plans for a trade next year. Would this include a swap of picks with WC for a future first and this years pick 6? 

Well yeah.. it's purely to bank picks for next year so that we have options for any trades next year or just extra options for the draft in general 

That's the whole point of future trading.

[adonski 10,523]

4 minutes ago, Demonsterative said:

JT doesn’t  move unless he sees a talent worth moving for. His track record is worth trusting. 

Tough to go wrong if you try and trade into the top 5 every year 

[Redleg 39,663]

34 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

If Cal is correct, we should have no trouble getting Reid, unless WC want him.

Curtin would be there at 6 and they would get a bonus player at 11. 

Our F1 and 42 could be on traded by WC for another bonus pick.

However, I would think we might want 23 back, to use on our 2nd player picked.

Edited November 18, 2023 by Redleg

[dazzledavey36 52,155]

1 minute ago, Mach5 said:

Don’t think he’s been wrong yet.

Weideman is the example trotted out, but his pick was the relative steak knives in the deal with primary target being Oliver.

It also cost us Adam Cerra because we didn't have a first round pick to satisfy Fremantle as we used it to trade up the previous year.

Cerra wanted to play for the Dees but we simply had no draft asset.

Zac Butters and Ben King are out of contract next year. Trade our future 1st on Monday night and you can kiss goodbye any attempts of nabbing either of these two.

[Redleg 39,663]

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

It also cost us Adam Cerra because we didn't have a first round pick to satisfy Fremantle as we used it to trade up the previous year.

Cerra wanted to play for the Dees but we simply had no draft asset.

Zac Butters and Ben King are out of contract next year. Trade our future 1st on Monday night and you can kiss goodbye any attempts of nabbing either of these two.

Unless Petty went for 2 first rounders of course.

I can't see Butters leaving, but Ben King could, with Walter coming in and Lukocious forward.

King is not a Dimma type player imo. He likes them to hurt.

 

[Demonsterative 2,975]

6 minutes ago, adonski said:

Tough to go wrong if you try and trade into the top 5 every year 

Pickett is another example. Pick 13 from memory. But yeah, you’re right. Moving up sures up your chances… 

[Mach5 4,515]

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

It also cost us Adam Cerra because we didn't have a first round pick to satisfy Fremantle as we used it to trade up the previous year.

Cerra wanted to play for the Dees but we simply had no draft asset.

Zac Butters and Ben King are out of contract next year. Trade our future 1st on Monday night and you can kiss goodbye any attempts of nabbing either of these two.

I think our eggs will be in a Sean Darcy-shaped FA basket.

[2021 138]

I’ve forgotten, what picks did we offer to try to move up the first round last year?

[Pennant St Dee 12,524]

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Unless Petty went for 2 first rounders of course.

I can't see Butters leaving, but Ben King could, with Walter coming in and Lukocious forward.

King is not a Dimma type player imo. He likes them to hurt.

 

My thoughts exactly re Petty 

[dazzledavey36 52,155]

Just now, Mach5 said:

I think our eggs will be in a Sean Darcy-shaped FA basket.

Just a hunch or something you've heard?

[dazzledavey36 52,155]

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Unless Petty went for 2 first rounders of course.

I can't see Butters leaving, but Ben King could, with Walter coming in and Lukocious forward.

King is not a Dimma type player imo. He likes them to hurt.

 

Can't be getting into the defeatist mentality that Petty is gone.

A lot can change in 12 months and don't forget he's still contracted to 2025.

[Demonsterative 2,975]

2 minutes ago, 2021 said:

I’ve forgotten, what picks did we offer to try to move up the first round last year?

2022 Pick 15 and this years first rounder. Possibly more. 

[Mach5 4,515]

1 minute ago, 2021 said:

I’ve forgotten, what picks did we offer to try to move up the first round last year?

 

Probably Freo’s then F1 which looked like it could be in the teens, with scant chance of it being close to top 10.

[dazzledavey36 52,155]

 

[adonski 10,523]

4 minutes ago, 2021 said:

I’ve forgotten, what picks did we offer to try to move up the first round last year?

Pick 15 (2022), pick 6 and 14 2023 for picks 5 and 23 (?) In 2022

 

 

Edited November 18, 2023 by adonski

[Mach5 4,515]

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Just a hunch or something you've heard?

Hunch only.

[Bang Bang Bang 5,736]

11 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

It also cost us Adam Cerra because we didn't have a first round pick to satisfy Fremantle as we used it to trade up the previous year.

Cerra wanted to play for the Dees but we simply had no draft asset.

Zac Butters and Ben King are out of contract next year. Trade our future 1st on Monday night and you can kiss goodbye any attempts of nabbing either of these two.

Not sure what you mean here. The Weideman draft and Cerra leaving Fremantle were six years apart.

We missed out on pick #9 Will Brodie in 2016 (instead of Weideman pick #9 2015) and traded picks that got us Jake Bowey and Bailey Laurie in 2020 for pick 25 in 2020 and pick 20 in 2021. 

We MIGHT have been able to land Cerra by offering picks 19 and 20 in 2021, but that most likely wouldn't have been accepted and we'd also have no JVR in this alternative scenario.

[Redleg 39,663]

15 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Can't be getting into the defeatist mentality that Petty is gone.

A lot can change in 12 months and don't forget he's still contracted to 2025.

I haven’t forgotten.

I hope he will stay, BUT, if he wants to go IN contract, he will bring a big price.

[dazzledavey36 52,155]

9 minutes ago, Bang Bang Bang said:

Not sure what you mean here. The Weideman draft and Cerra leaving Fremantle were six years apart.

We missed out on pick #9 Will Brodie in 2016 (instead of Weideman pick #9 2015) and traded picks that got us Jake Bowey and Bailey Laurie in 2020 for pick 25 in 2020 and pick 20 in 2021. 

We MIGHT have been able to land Cerra by offering picks 19 and 20 in 2021, but that most likely wouldn't have been accepted and we'd also have no JVR in this alternative scenario.

Not sure you can throw Laurie in there considering he hasn't shown anything remotely close ro being AFL standard.

And yes, you're right about the JVR situation. I suppose it's a 50/50 risk vs reward type scenario. 

With the amount of stars that are out of contract next I simply would nor be trading out a future first round pick purely to get a 170cm small forward where it's not even a glaring need for us.

Keep pick 6 and take the outside speedy talent in Windsor which we severely lack in terms of depth and class.

[Hardley Benial 483]

25 minutes ago, Redleg said:

If Cal is correct, we should have no trouble getting Reid, unless WC want him.

Curtin would be there at 6 and they would get a bonus player at 11. 

Our F1 and 42 could be on traded by WC for another bonus pick.

However, I would think we might want 23 back, to use on our 2nd player picked.

This would be a great outcome.

Welcome  H. Reid

[Demonsterative 2,975]

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not sure you can throw Laurie in there considering he hasn't shown anything remotely close ro being AFL standard.

And yes, you're right about the JVR situation. I suppose it's a 50/50 risk vs reward type scenario. 

With the amount of stars that are out of contract next I simply would nor be trading out a future first round pick purely to get a 170cm small forward where it's not even a glaring need for us.

Keep pick 6 and take the outside speedy talent in Windsor which we severely lack in terms of depth and class.

On 09/09/2023 at 09:08, dazzledavey36 said:

I've identified midfield depth as a concern for us.

But with North potentially getting an extra 1st round for compo this will push us back down a peg.

With saying that, unfortunately I believe that means we'll miss out on Duursma, Sanders and McKercher.

I think our next best option to at least improve our forward half is pocket rocket Nick Watson.

He's a 170cm small forward but don't be put off his height. The kid has some serious X factor and star factor. 

Last year he was pigeon-holed as a small forward, so recruiters wanted to see what his midfield capabilities were like. Didn't take him long until the Coates League round 3 against Northern Knights where he announced himself quickly that he's got the tools to step up and play midfield.

He had 34 disposals and kicked 2.3 in a complete dominant display. His numbers this year play as a high half forward/midfield have been incredibly strong. There has been comparisons to Nick Daicos when he's playing around the midfield with his ability to hit pin point passes and also weave his way in and out of traffic.

Not counting his championship games where he once again dominated especially his game against WA where he had 13 disposals and kicked 5 goals playing purely as a forward pocket and then another 4 goals against Vic Country.

His ability to play at a high level throughout his junior level and consistency is elite. 

If we were to pick him I can easily see a round 1 debut. X factor, speed, tackling pressure and ability to hit the scoreboard.

The kozzie/Wizard combo would generate some genuine excitement within fans and he's got that real strut and arrogance (in a good way) in the same way as a Tom Papley and Hayden Ballantyne which I think we've genuinely lacked over the years.

 

 

[Bang Bang Bang 5,736]

11 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not sure you can throw Laurie in there considering he hasn't shown anything remotely close ro being AFL standard.

And yes, you're right about the JVR situation. I suppose it's a 50/50 risk vs reward type scenario. 

With the amount of stars that are out of contract next I simply would nor be trading out a future first round pick purely to get a 170cm small forward where it's not even a glaring need for us.

Keep pick 6 and take the outside speedy talent in Windsor which we severely lack in terms of depth and class.

Yeah I'm not sold on Laurie. Just more making the point that all the future trading hasn't really bitten us yet. Most have worked in our favour. 

My main concern would be F1 actually being a good pick next year. We have been up for a while and should be up for longer, but the competition is so even that some teams are going to drop next year. It might be us. For me those late round firsties (15-18) aren't very valuable with the way the draft works these days but there are no guarantees F1 becomes one of those.

I absolutely love the idea of Watson being a Papley-style antagonist at the Punt Road End and hope we can get him in one way or another. Seems like Windsor is our man though. 

Edited November 18, 2023 by Bang Bang Bang