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4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The dude admitted that he agreed to join Freo mid season last year.

That alone lost it for me especially coming from someone that was sticking up for him all of last year.

Not only that but he stopped trying half way through the season for Melbourne when Gawn was badly struggling with injuries and we could have used him. 
This bloke won a [censored] RS and a flag because he was lucky enough to be drafted by us. Then turned around and spat back in our faces when we had the audacity to offer him a big lucrative deal. Would probably be in and out of the SANFL making $200k a year if Freo drafted him in 2019. 
Can get absolutely stuffed. Do not feel sorry for him. He has his mum and his cash. He got what he wanted and he also got what he deserved. 

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2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:


But it is his fault he chased money he didn’t deserve 

No it’s not.

He was offered a ridiculous contract by idiots.

He could also go home and play for the team he supported and help his family with some issues.

Its not LJ’s fault, it’s totally the fault of the idiots in charge of their footy department.

I hope they make more mistakes and collect the spoon.

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6 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Of course it’s not his fault. One player is never the reason for a side being terrible. 
But it is his fault he chased money he didn’t deserve and Freo had to dump 5 of their starting 22 players to make it happen. It definitely explains part of why they look so awful. 
They went and got a player they didn’t need, to play a role that doesn’t suit him, and gave away their whole salary cap and draft haul to make it happen. Absolute stupidity. 
I would be furious if Melbourne traded 5 players to bring in a ruckman… and then forced him to be a forward… and then had 0 draft capital heading into a strong draft. 

So the mean tweets and posts directed at him personally are warranted are they? That was my point. Mr Potato Head…really? 

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8 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Of course it’s not his fault. One player is never the reason for a side being terrible. 
But it is his fault he chased money he didn’t deserve and Freo had to dump 5 of their starting 22 players to make it happen. It definitely explains part of why they look so awful. 
They went and got a player they didn’t need, to play a role that doesn’t suit him, and gave away their whole salary cap and draft haul to make it happen. Absolute stupidity. 
I would be furious if Melbourne traded 5 players to bring in a ruckman… and then forced him to be a forward… and then had 0 draft capital heading into a strong draft. 

And that's before the possibility of him ever getting injured.

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Just now, Redleg said:

No it’s not.

He was offered a ridiculous contract by idiots.

He could also go home and play for the team he supported and help his family with some issues.

Its not LJ’s fault, it’s totally the fault of the idiots in charge of their footy department.

I hope they make more mistakes and collect the spoon.

He would have made very good money in Melbourne too. 
It is not like he was facing a life of poverty. 
 

Ultimately the choice was his. Nobody put a gun to his head. But of course as with most big trade deals, the players make out like bandits and the clubs suffer the consequences for a long time to come. 
Couldn’t be happier for Peter Bell. 

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9 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Of course it’s not his fault. One player is never the reason for a side being terrible. 
But it is his fault he chased money he didn’t deserve and Freo had to dump 5 of their starting 22 players to make it happen. It definitely explains part of why they look so awful. 
They went and got a player they didn’t need, to play a role that doesn’t suit him, and gave away their whole salary cap and draft haul to make it happen. Absolute stupidity. 
I would be furious if Melbourne traded 5 players to bring in a ruckman… and then forced him to be a forward… and then had 0 draft capital heading into a strong draft. 

All of that is Freo’s fault, not his.  They enticed him home by making the offer and managed their list horribly.  All he did is sign the contract they put in front of him.

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2 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

So the mean tweets and posts directed at him personally are warranted are they? That was my point. Mr Potato Head…really? 

I mean I’m not posting those tweets. The internet is brutal. 
But when you’re earning more money than a 6 time AA ruckman you leave yourself open to criticism. 
I think footballers being criticized for their football is fair game. Being criticized for anything else, is absolutely off the table. 

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3 minutes ago, Vipercrunch said:

All of that is Freo’s fault, not his.  They enticed him home by making the offer and managed their list horribly.  All he did is sign the contract they put in front of him.

A smart player with good management looks at that and thinks “this is bad culture and bad management”. 
A selfish player who is only focused on himself and the money sees no issues with a club pushing retirement on a 300 game champion, and trading 4 important players just to fit him into the salary cap. 

 

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Just now, Jaded No More said:

A smart player with good management looks at that and thinks “this is bad culture and bad management”. 
A selfish player who is only focused on himself and the money sees no issues with a club pushing retirement on a 300 game veteran, and trading 4 important players just to fit him into the salary cap. 
 

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4 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

He would have made very good money in Melbourne too. 
It is not like he was facing a life of poverty. 
 

Ultimately the choice was his. Nobody put a gun to his head. But of course as with most big trade deals, the players make out like bandits and the clubs suffer the consequences for a long time to come. 
Couldn’t be happier for Peter Bell. 

Did you expect him to cross out the $900k they put on the contract and put in $450k?  He took what they offered him.  No one forced them to do it.

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1 minute ago, Vipercrunch said:

Did you expect him to cross out the $900k they put on the contract and put in $450k?  He took what they offered him.  No one forced them to do it.

I thought Melbourne was preparing a 650k figure in front of him?

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Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Management only think of one thing and one thing only...

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I don’t think that’s true. Good managers also care about their players welfare and I don’t think Jackson getting Bronx cheered by an entire stadium and being plastered all over the WA papers for poor performances is great for the mental health. Nor is moving to a club like Freo going to do anything for his development as a player. Or his chances of seeing success. 

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2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

A smart player with good management looks at that and thinks “this is bad culture and bad management”. 
A selfish player who is only focused on himself and the money sees no issues with a club pushing retirement on a 300 game champion, and trading 4 important players just to fit him into the salary cap. 

 

That is nonsense.  A 20 year old player and his manager aren’t responsible for the decisions of a multi million dollar, “professional” sporting organisation.

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Just now, Vipercrunch said:

That is nonsense.  A 20 year old player and his manager aren’t responsible for the decisions of a multi million dollar, “professional” sporting organisation.

Of course not. They are responsible for the development and success of said 20 year old player. Which includes assessing the club’s management and culture. 
Remember when nobody wanted to play for Melbourne? It wasn’t because we didn’t have money to throw around.

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27 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

But it is his fault he chased money he didn’t deserve and Freo had to dump 5 of their starting 22 players to make it happen. It definitely explains part of why they look so awful. 

Surely that's their fault...he just took the cash.

He didn't have to chase it.

He was not the one offering it.

They presented him with a golden opportunity.

Sometimes that gold is fools gold...

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Any Docker loss is something to celebrate 

Thought the doggies were good tonight starting to build some momentum 

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44 minutes ago, adonski said:

Jacko is getting less ruck time than with us

They really don't know how to use him & I'm happy for them not to figure it out...

...but there was a brief period when he was on ball I think in the 2nd Q that they started to get some control of the game.

His ruck work is good thanks to Max but he will never have the opportunity to use it at Freo.

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