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[Diamond_Jim 11,897]

3 hours ago, Spaghetti said:

What's the time frame on broken ribs? Langdon out is going to hurt in the coming months.

6-8 plus

broken v fractured.... the distinction is very important

Edited May 22, 2022 by Diamond_Jim

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,623]

3 hours ago, Spaghetti said:

What's the time frame on broken ribs? Langdon out is going to hurt in the coming months.

Miss no weeks at all if you’re Jimmy Stynes.

He played with a “shirtful” of ‘em!
I don’t know how……I couldn’t even turn over in bed when I had some!

ps……”broken”;is synonymous with “ fractured”.

Edited May 22, 2022 by Jumping Jack Clennett
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On 5/21/2022 at 8:44 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Melksham lol.

Explain after today's performance that justify him being selected next week or even for the rest of the year. Forget the 200 games, his form alone on today's performance was stock standard Melk of the last 2 years.

7 disposals and 1 tackle. I would have rather Bailey Laurie with those numbers knowing he's getting a taste of AFL action.

For team selection it's got to be a team balance. If Viney is fit then it might have to be Dunstan who I thought was pretty good bar a few sloppy disposals. 

I'm banking that Langdon will be right to go and Melksham goes out.

 

Played a role.

No world beater but executed what he was meant to do.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

4 minutes ago, COVID Dan said:

Played a role.

No world beater but executed what he was meant to do.

I thought he was poor and had little impact in anyway, but can be swayed by roles.

Can you explain what his role was and what he was meant to do?

Edited May 22, 2022 by Lord Nev

[Winners at last 4,763]

8 hours ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

Miss no weeks at all if you’re Jimmy Stynes.

He played with a “shirtful” of ‘em!
I don’t know how……I couldn’t even turn over in bed when I had some!

ps……”broken”;is synonymous with “ fractured”.

That brings back (not happy) memories. I had 7 broken ribs ... moving in bed was agony, and I could feel/hear terrible 'crackling' ... ouch! Poor Lingers .... my favourite current player.

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5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I thought he was poor and had little impact in anyway, but can be swayed by roles.

Can you explain what his role was and what he was meant to do?

No, I can't, I am not inside the team.

While i 100% agree with the perception, Milkshake is ineffective and doesn't seem to contribute (stats clearly say he doesn't offer much), I am more interested in team dynamics and roles.

I think you could make the same arguments for all our small forwards, you're making about Milkshake. They don't always impact the play, but they run hard and put on pressure.

Long story short to answer your question, i remember last year Milkshake came in vs WCE in Perf and he played as a KPP and took one of Hurn or McGovern (i forget who exactly) out of the game.

That is the kind of contributions i am talking about that are valuable to the team. That's what these guys do, thats why we have been successful as a club in recent times. it is about the team and not the individual. 

Im not saying he playes next week, but you shouldn't knock him purely on statistical impact.

 

[Fat Tony 4,452]

Langdon is one of our most difficult players to replace, as we have no similar players on our list. I think we will give Baker a chance, as he has looked to be improving in the VFL this year and Melksham isn't really a wingman.

Dunstan was disappointing against North, so hopefully Viney is fit and can come back in.

Salem has missed a lot of football but looked good at training (from TV vision). I doubt he plays AFL straight away and think he will get a run in the VFL.

Bedford could come into the 22 for Melksham. I doubt Melksham will play 200 as a sub but bringing in Bedford means we will have three midgets in the forward line, which is not ideal.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

6 minutes ago, COVID Dan said:

No, I can't, I am not inside the team.

While i 100% agree with the perception, Milkshake is ineffective and doesn't seem to contribute (stats clearly say he doesn't offer much), I am more interested in team dynamics and roles.

I think you could make the same arguments for all our small forwards, you're making about Milkshake. They don't always impact the play, but they run hard and put on pressure.

Long story short to answer your question, i remember last year Milkshake came in vs WCE in Perf and he played as a KPP and took one of Hurn or McGovern (i forget who exactly) out of the game.

That is the kind of contributions i am talking about that are valuable to the team. That's what these guys do, thats why we have been successful as a club in recent times. it is about the team and not the individual. 

Im not saying he playes next week, but you shouldn't knock him purely on statistical impact.

 

Totally agree that roles can't be judged on stats alone and that we play a role-based system.

Just not sure you can say he 'played a role and executed what he was meant to' and then say you don't know what his role was.

To be fair, I'm not totally sure what he was meant to be doing either. He only had the 1 tackle and 10 pressure acts, so I don't think he was there as a pressure forward, he had 7 disposals and 2 inside 50s so don't think he was a link up player, 1 clearance so don't think he was doing any inside mid work, he kicked the 1 goal but he had 0 marks inside 50 so don't think he was a pure forward.

Just seemed a bit of a nothing game from him. I'm sure he had a role, just not sure he had any impact in whatever it was meant to be. Obvious choice would be he was playing Harmes' role as mid/half forward if you look at his heat map, but whatever his role was he didn't have enough impact in it IMO.

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8 minutes ago, COVID Dan said:

No, I can't, I am not inside the team.

While i 100% agree with the perception, Milkshake is ineffective and doesn't seem to contribute (stats clearly say he doesn't offer much), I am more interested in team dynamics and roles.

I think you could make the same arguments for all our small forwards, you're making about Milkshake. They don't always impact the play, but they run hard and put on pressure.

Long story short to answer your question, i remember last year Milkshake came in vs WCE in Perf and he played as a KPP and took one of Hurn or McGovern (i forget who exactly) out of the game.

That is the kind of contributions i am talking about that are valuable to the team. That's what these guys do, thats why we have been successful as a club in recent times. it is about the team and not the individual. 

Im not saying he playes next week, but you shouldn't knock him purely on statistical impact.

 

So then why state that he played a role when you just admitted that you're not sure what his actual role is because you're not inside the team? If you're able to back up what he executed on the day then maybe I'll sway a little on my opinion on him but on the naked eye on the day he was simply poor for a senior player.

I know we have our own views of what a role player is but I was genuinely confused what his role were on the day having kept a close eye. I know he went on the wing when Langdon went down but he barely offered any offensive attack nor did he have a hand on our link up play.

He'll play on the weekend because they'll want him to get to 200 games but after that I don't want him in a Melbourne jumper unless we are dealt with a significant injury list.

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16 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Totally agree that roles can't be judged on stats alone and that we play a role-based system.

Just not sure you can say he 'played a role and executed what he was meant to' and then say you don't know what his role was.

To be fair, I'm not totally sure what he was meant to be doing either. He only had the 1 tackle and 10 pressure acts, so I don't think he was there as a pressure forward, he had 7 disposals and 2 inside 50s so don't think he was a link up player, 1 clearance so don't think he was doing any inside mid work, he kicked the 1 goal but he had 0 marks inside 50 so don't think he was a pure forward.

Just seemed a bit of a nothing game from him. I'm sure he had a role, just not sure he had any impact in whatever it was meant to be. Obvious choice would be he was playing Harmes' role as mid/half forward if you look at his heat map, but whatever his role was he didn't have enough impact in it IMO.

Fair comments,

I don't think his value can't be questioned, i was just saying there will be a need for guys to come in and do a roll throughout the year. 

Good to promote depth and competition for spots and keep things fresh, its a long season and we want to be cherry ripe for the last 4 games of the year. Not this time of year.

I don't see Melksham in our best side either.

 

Edited May 22, 2022 by COVID Dan

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10 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So then why state that he played a role when you just admitted that you're not sure what his actual role is because you're not inside the team? If you're able to back up what he executed on the day then maybe I'll sway a little on my opinion on him but on the naked eye on the day he was simply poor for a senior player.

I know we have our own views of what a role player is but I was genuinely confused what his role were on the day having kept a close eye. I know he went on the wing when Langdon went down but he barely offered any offensive attack nor did he have a hand on our link up play.

He'll play on the weekend because they'll want him to get to 200 games but after that I don't want him in a Melbourne jumper unless we are dealt with a significant injury list.

If your qualification for anyone to comments on here is that the poster needs to know everything then there won't be much said on here at all, because hot tip it is just opinions without any inside knowledge.

My opinion that he played a role is no less relevant then your vitriol or whatever you are crapping on about. 

Edited May 22, 2022 by COVID Dan
Better grammer

[Sydee 3,636]

20 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Langdon is one of our most difficult players to replace, as we have no similar players on our list. I think we will give Baker a chance, as he has looked to be improving in the VFL this year and Melksham isn't really a wingman.

Dunstan was disappointing against North, so hopefully Viney is fit and can come back in.

Salem has missed a lot of football but looked good at training (from TV vision). I doubt he plays AFL straight away and think he will get a run in the VFL.

Bedford could come into the 22 for Melksham. I doubt Melksham will play 200 as a sub but bringing in Bedford means we will have three midgets in the forward line, which is not ideal.

Agree FT that Langdon is impossible to replace as he is really a unique player - I've watched a fair bit of Casey this season and agree Baker has been pretty good but mainly playing back - he has tended to struggle in the AFL but he does deserve to be in the conversation especially if Salem isn't ready

I'm probably not Dunstan's biggest fan but to be fair he hasn't played that much in the senior team and it's natural that he would take some time to adjust to our system. Having said that if Viney is good to go then Luke probably misses

Bedford deserves more game time - he is quick, has great evasion and can hit the scoreboard - I think he will be a player for us given more time on the ground

BBB is on shaky ground if you ask me - he should have kicked at least one goal but missed a sitter. He does add value by presenting high up the ground as a tall marking option and his field kicking is very good. He was well beaten on the weekend however and wouldn't want to repeat that performance again. He was probably lucky Casey didn't play this week because if Weid had of performed well it would have made things difficult for the selectors 

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1 hour ago, COVID Dan said:

Played a role.

No world beater but executed what he was meant to do.

 

52 minutes ago, COVID Dan said:

No, I can't, I am not inside the team.

While i 100% agree with the perception, Milkshake is ineffective and doesn't seem to contribute (stats clearly say he doesn't offer much), I am more interested in team dynamics and roles.

I think you could make the same arguments for all our small forwards, you're making about Milkshake. They don't always impact the play, but they run hard and put on pressure.

Long story short to answer your question, i remember last year Milkshake came in vs WCE in Perf and he played as a KPP and took one of Hurn or McGovern (i forget who exactly) out of the game.

That is the kind of contributions i am talking about that are valuable to the team. That's what these guys do, thats why we have been successful as a club in recent times. it is about the team and not the individual. 

Im not saying he playes next week, but you shouldn't knock him purely on statistical impact.

 

 

24 minutes ago, COVID Dan said:

If your qualification for anyone to comments on here is that the poster needs to know everything then there won't be much said on here at all, because hot tip it is just opinions without any inside knowledge.

My opinion that he played a role is no less relevant then your vitriol or whatever you are crapping on about. 

LOL. 

Bro, I'm only wanting some clarity around what his actual role on the day was.

You sounded so confident in your first post that he executed his role well enough so that I can understand a little bit better why he didn't do much on the weekend.

But you actually dont know, and it was based on your opinion only. That's fine, that makes more sense now.

Its great to have opinions 'Covid Dan' 😘......

Edited May 23, 2022 by dazzledavey36

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1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

 

 

LOL. 

Bro, I'm only wanting some clarity around what his actual role on the day was.

You sounded so confident in your first post that he executed his role well enough so that I can understand a little bit better why he didn't do much on the weekend.

But you actually dont know, and it was based on your opinion only. That's fine, that makes more sense now.

Its great to have opinions 'Covid Dan'......

How do you know he didn't execute it?

You act like you're opinion is so important how about you explain yourself and why we should bother reading your bland comments.

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6 minutes ago, COVID Dan said:

How do you know he didn't execute it?

You act like you're opinion is so important how about you explain yourself and why we should bother reading your bland comments.

My opinion is I felt he didn't execute his role because im not even sure what his role was on the day. I kept close eye on him from where i was sitting and i saw nothing that suggest he executed whatever he was suppose to do well enough .

That's purely not knowing what happens inside the 4 walls. Coaching staff probably are the complete opposite and thought he played his role extremely well and were satisfied. We both may never know?

I mean, how do you know executed his role?

I don't know why you're getting defensive? Lol I'm genuinely just trying to have a football discussion with you around what his actual role on the day was.

Edited May 23, 2022 by dazzledavey36

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Any official word on the extent of Langdon’s injury?

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,294]

16 minutes ago, Sydee said:

BBB is on shaky ground if you ask me - he should have kicked at least one goal but missed a sitter. He does add value by presenting high up the ground as a tall marking option and his field kicking is very good. He was well beaten on the weekend however and wouldn't want to repeat that performance again. He was probably lucky Casey didn't play this week because if Weid had of performed well it would have made things difficult for the selectors 

BBB would need a month of what he dished up on Saturday evening to be on shaky ground I reckon. I think he's clearly best 22.

Even though he didn't hit the scoreboard, the two goals we kicked in the third quarter were set up by BBB which the coaches will give him credit for.

I agree with you that he should've kicked that sitter in the second quarter.

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Just now, Winners at last said:

That brings back (not happy) memories. I had 7 broken ribs ... moving in bed was agony, and I could feel/hear terrible 'crackling' ... ouch! Poor Lingers .... my favourite current player.

Agree, I too have had broken ribs. The most excruciating pain ever. Even when healing the slightest movement would bring on a spasming pain that would climax before easing off.             I'd be out for 6 months.

 

[dazzledavey36 48,938]

2 minutes ago, doc roet said:

Agree, I too have had broken ribs. The most excruciating pain ever. Even when healing the slightest movement would bring on a spasming pain that would climax before easing off.             I'd be out for 6 months.

 

Coughing and sneezing killed me the most...

[Lord Nev 13,511]

45 minutes ago, COVID Dan said:

Fair comments,

I don't think his value can't be questioned, i was just saying there will be a need for guys to come in and do a roll throughout the year. 

Good to promote depth and competition for spots and keep things fresh, its a long season and we want to be cherry ripe for the last 4 games of the year. Not this time of year.

I don't see Melksham in our best side either.

Yeah 100%, and for mine, we could actually really do with 2018ish Melksham about now - our forward delivery has been a bit poor this year and in his prime he was one of our best at that.

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12 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

My opinion is I felt he didn't execute his role because im not even sure what his role was on the day. I kept close eye on him from where i was sitting and i saw nothing that suggest he executed whatever he was suppose to do well enough .

That's purely not knowing what happens inside the 4 walls. Coaching staff probably are the complete opposite and thought he played his role extremely well and were satisfied. We both may never know?

I mean, how do you know executed his role?

I don't know why you're getting defensive? Lol I'm genuinely just trying to have a football discussion with you around what his actual role on the day was.

So you've offered nothing informative either.

Next time you go critiquing others opinions maybe you should look at offering a little bit more yourself.

Lets just agree Melksham doesn't offer a lot and he won't be in the team when the whips are cracking. 

The other thing worth noting in the analysis, is that the MFC mojo is role and defence above all else. So not making an impact is not necessarily equal to not contributing. 

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2 minutes ago, COVID Dan said:

So you've offered nothing informative either.

Next time you go critiquing others opinions maybe you should look at offering a little bit more yourself.

Lets just agree Melksham doesn't offer a lot and he won't be in the team when the whips are cracking. 

The other thing worth noting in the analysis, is that the MFC mojo is role and defence above all else. So not making an impact is not necessarily equal to not contributing. 

Well agree to disagree on this.

I'd offer more but then I'm just a broken record as I've offered far more in depth opinion on this in the past. Can't be [censored] writing a big essay on this.

What we both agree with on this is we don't have Melksham in our best 22 team.

I'll leave it on that.

Edited May 23, 2022 by dazzledavey36

[bobby1554 1,144]

Tomlinson in. One of Brayshaw or Hunt to the wing. Melksham or Bedford as sub

[Redleg 37,849]

4 minutes ago, bobby1554 said:

Tomlinson in. One of Brayshaw or Hunt to the wing. Melksham or Bedford as sub

With a few out injured Melksham will get his 200 this week. Agree with others that he is no longer in our best 23.

[DeeSpencer 23,243]

When Brayshaw and Jordon both started on the wing they had some low possession games too.

I wasn’t at the game to see if Melk was positioning correctly but it didn’t appear like North were suddenly galavanting up his wing. But that defensive work is more important than disposals.

If Langdon’s out he probably did well enough to keep the spot if they don’t want to move Gus now.

If there’s other options for the wing and the competition for a half forward/on ball rotation is Melk v Dunstan v Bedford then I really can’t have a strong opinion either way on that.