Chandler Tackle

[Demons1858 1,663]

It's an interesting one, he has his biceps wrapped up but not his forearms.

The fact the tackle comes from the side and unbalances him seems to also be an important factor. 

Apart from all that, Foley has zero awareness. More experienced players would have sensed the heat coming and braced themselves, diverted, or tried to fend off.

[Pates 9,537]

I think he will be suspended and I don’t think it’s right but the MRO is about results and having the perception of protection players (despite several questionable decisions to the contrary). 

It looked bad on the day, I know Simpson and the medico’s are saying he doesn’t appear to have concussion but he looked pretty out of it in the immediate aftermath. I can’t imagine how that doesn’t translate into concussion. 

Did Chandler do much wrong? No, the only thing he did, not so much wrong but a contributing factor, is he came at such pace and pinned the arms thus making Foley helpless. 

For me I feel what Zack Jones did to Langdon was far more dangerous and deliberate, but I feel this is something the MRO is targeting. 

Might come out of it with a fine. 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

2 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

It's an interesting one, he has his biceps wrapped up but not his forearms.

[daisycutter 28,704]

[Mr Steve 3,820]

If Chandler gets a week then Ryan gets life. No case to answer. 

[John Crow Batty 8,319]

The tackle was correctly applied. However the WC player lacked situational awareness and lost his balance because he was not braced for contact. No case to answer.

Edited May 16, 2022 by John Crow Batty

[Dr. Gonzo 22,637]

He will get suspended.

But if it was a more well known player or someone in Brownlow contention like Cripps he wouldn't be because the AFL is an amateurly run organisation.

[titan_uranus 22,836]

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

You can't cherry pick 2 frames out mate.

And what you've shown there is if there's any 'turning' it's turning his head towards the ground.

Have watched the replay a fair few times now in the meantime and those frames you've picked out are not indicative at all of the whole incident IMO.

To contrast your two frames, here's another two:

If you want to look at the whole incident, as you've done, go look at the video.

Your stills don't change my view that Foley's shoulder hits the ground at least at the same time as his head, if not before. My first still shows Chandler tries to turn him side on. My second still shows him getting to ground level side-on. Both of your stills show the aftermath, in which clearly Foley's head hits the ground. Which is not disputed. But as I said at the start, I cannot see how Chandler's tackle is materially different to Hawkins'. 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

15 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

If you want to look at the whole incident, as you've done, go look at the video.

Your stills don't change my view that Foley's shoulder hits the ground at least at the same time as his head, if not before. My first still shows Chandler tries to turn him side on. My second still shows him getting to ground level side-on. Both of your stills show the aftermath, in which clearly Foley's head hits the ground. Which is not disputed. But as I said at the start, I cannot see how Chandler's tackle is materially different to Hawkins'. 

Your stills are tiny fractions of a second, that was my point in showing you alternate stills. They don't represent the incident as a whole, as you said yourself at the start of your post.

Sure, he turns him slightly - but he turns him towards the ground, not away from it.

Hawkins turns his opponent away from facing the ground. It's borderline, probably could have been a suspension, but that's the main difference between that one being borderline and Chandler's likely resulting in a suspension.

[chook fowler 18,403]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

As long as he doesn’t get pinged for holding the ball

[DeeSpencer 23,509]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Given our players were continually slipping, I wouldn't imagine it was a rock hard deck.

It’s slippery largely in part because it’s so hard, there’s no traction when players change direction. It looks like wearing footy boots on green painted floorboards 

[DeeSpencer 23,509]

The issue with the tackle is Chandler being a lefty he wants to take him down on his natural left side, he jumps and puts a lot forward momentum in to the tackle. It takes a long time for Chandler to come down and that makes it really driving. Chase down tackles really need to pull a player back and down rather than drive them forward. Combine that with the rotation back towards front on as Foley attempts to brace himself and it’s a bad result. 
 

The big contributing factors are the rock hard turf that they slide along and the fresh player coming on full of running due to the sub rule. 

[Deedubs 157]

the McGovern elbow into Viney was so extremely light, nothing will happen. It wasn't anywhere near as forceful as Viney's elbow in the past. 

I feel like Chandler will cop a suspension. I don't particularly agree with or like the decision. I wished the afl would start suspending guys that stage for frees but that's the story for another day. Guys like Hawkins, Weightman etc.

Ironically, if Chandler had of turned the tackler after he'd already hit his head he'd probably get off because it would look like an attempt to protect the head. I reckon he could get 1 or even 2. Which I don't agree with. Not for accidents.

Edited May 16, 2022 by Deedubs

[DubDee 21,357]

No idea how anyone can say he won't get suspended. He tackles him, his head makes heavy impact with the ground after being driven downwards and he was concussed.  Chandler didn't do much wrong but no way he gets off

[Lord Travis 10,278]

According to Fox Sports, Foley is set to miss Round 10 due to concussion. Pretty much guarantees Chandler will cop a suspension, probably 1 week after early plea.

[Hellish Inferno 992]

I feel for Chandler as it was almost a perfect tackle, but his momentum and the direction of the tackle instigated the WC player being driven into the ground. Although he let go before impact unfortunately it was too late and the bloke just wasn't aware the tackle was coming, which made the chance of head impact more likely

[mo64 5,262]

When you tackle a player from behind, you have 2 options. First option is to go to your knees so the tackled player is held upright with his armed pinned. Second option is to turn the player in the tackle without letting go, so it's not deemed a sling.

Unfortunately for Chandler, he chose neither, so his actions were reckless/dangerous. 

He'll cop a week with an early plea.

[hardtack 10,158]

4 hours ago, Demons1858 said:

It's an interesting one, he has his biceps wrapped up but not his forearms.

The fact the tackle comes from the side and unbalances him seems to also be an important factor. 

Apart from all that, Foley has zero awareness. More experienced players would have sensed the heat coming and braced themselves, diverted, or tried to fend off.

The speed at which Chandler ran down Foley from behind (so unless he had eyes in the back of his head…), meant that Foley had no chance to do any of what you are suggesting he should have done. It was a great tackle until the last part where Chandler ‘flips’ Foley to his left and that causes Foley’s head to take the full force of the impact with the ground.  

If it had been the other way around and Chandler was the victim, I’m sure we would all have been calling for blood. I honestly can’t see him getting anything less than one week.

[Demonland 66,601]

 

[Satan 2,786]

3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Joke , Ryan get 4?

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 3,946]

2 weeks?! Wtf. Should be 1, didn’t intend to hurt him.

[Deedubs 157]

I expected 1-2. not surprised with 2.

[Age 401]

Ryan got 1

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

5 minutes ago, Age said:

Ryan got 1

That’s a disgrace.

[dice 569]

Lynch getting off...again. That's also a disgrace