Redleg 42,156 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Dwight Schrute said: I think you could get a stronger first round selection than 20 odd. I agree with dazzle this isn’t done but I think we are in the window and letting an all Australian calibre player walk out of the club for less than he’s worth would be regrettable. his value is arguably closer to a top 10 pick and just because clubs don’t match typically doesn’t mean we shouldn’t. Unless the offer is enormous, I’d match and put it back on the team to get a deal done. Freo demanded and got pick 2 for Lachie Weller. 4 Quote
Colm 2,204 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Demons11 said: Completely untrue. I have been told that until Jackson makes a decision than they have no more money to up their offer to Gus. Don’t forget Gus is on an incredibly high contract that he signed in the year he came 3rd in the Brownlow. Do we know how much Gus is on? Gun midfielders tend to get paid more than wingers or backs. So if we are asking him to take a pay cut for doing the team thing by playing in positions where we have a greater need for him rather than his supposedly favourite position in midfield it not to difficult to see why he’s look at his options. It’s a complicated situation as I don’t thinks it’s a simple as wait until Jackson deal goes through so we can offer him more money. For example as a winger is he worth more than Langdon ? Or worth more as a half back than Salem? Will he be more important to our backline over the next few seasons than Petty? If we offer a bigger contract then it might have a ripple effect over the next few years, it also shows other player at the club that it is worth playing the long game to squeeze as much as possible out of the club. I love Gus and think he will stay but I’m not as certain as I was before. Edit. Lord Nev says he’s currently under $600 which should mean he would not be taken a pay cut. Edited July 22, 2022 by Colm 1 Quote
Mel Bourne 4,541 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 Unlike Jackson, Gus very much has a life in Melbourne. Between the club, his partner Danielle and the Frawley family, it’s very hard to see him leaving. 6 Quote
Redleg 42,156 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Colm said: Do we know how much Gus is on? Gun midfielders tend to get paid more than wingers or backs. So if we are asking him to take a pay cut for doing the team thing by playing in positions where we have a greater need for him rather than his supposedly favourite position in midfield it not to difficult to see why he’s look at his options. It’s a complicated situation as I don’t thinks it’s a simple as wait until Jackson deal goes through so we can offer him more money. For example as a winger is he worth more than Langdon ? Or worth more as a half back than Salem? Will he be more important to our backline over the next few seasons than Petty? If we offer a bigger contract then it might have a ripple effect over the next few years, it also shows other player at the club that it is worth playing the long game to squeeze as much as possible out of the club. I love Gus and think he will stay but I’m not as certain as I was before. Gus and Jacko have the same Manager. He knows the state of play. Jacko leaves and Gus stays on probably a 5 year deal. 3 1 Quote
Fork 'em 7,052 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said: Unlike Jackson, Gus very much has a life in Melbourne. Between the club, his partner Danielle and the Frawley family, it’s very hard to see him leaving. To Essendon? Quote
D4Life 2,584 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Redleg said: Gus and Jacko have the same Manager. He knows the state of play. Jacko leaves and Gus stays on probably a 5 year deal. And possibly an extra 50 or 100K per annum. If Your in the shoes of Gus with concussion history a longer term deal would be high on wanted list. Going to another Vic team, he might get midfield and a bit more cash, but walks away from his leadership position at Demons, friendships, relationships, success, then has to restart at a new club. 1 Quote
Nascent 9,345 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 32 minutes ago, Demons11 said: Because our cap won’t allow us to match the offer But with Jackson one foot out the door, we will have a budgeted 600-800k per year freed up. We allegedly could fit both in our cap earlier in the year and now we can't fit either? Doesn't sound right. 3 Quote
roy11 4,076 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, Redleg said: Gus and Jacko have the same Manager. He knows the state of play. Obviously wants best for both clients but they're sort of intertwined together, so curious how it plays out. Not sure how client confidentiality works in that field, but wonder what information/if any he is giving to both players in relation to the other player. Although guess it may be somewhat obvious based on offers going back and forth. 1 Quote
Macca 17,127 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dwight Schrute said: I think you could get a stronger first round selection than 20 odd. I agree with dazzle this isn’t done but I think we are in the window and letting an all Australian calibre player walk out of the club for less than he’s worth would be regrettable. his value is arguably closer to a top 10 pick and just because clubs don’t match typically doesn’t mean we shouldn’t. Unless the offer is enormous, I’d match and put it back on the team to get a deal done. Picks 10-12 could deliver a player like Lucas Cook, Gysberts, Weideman or Clark Busts are a part of drafting and need to be factored in. Doing so (factoring in the busts) is good business practice In a general sense draft picks are severely overrated ... and the points system adds fuel to the fire If it comes to it I'd want a pick around the 6-8 mark for Brayshaw And that pick has a 50% chance of being a bust anyway That's the truth and that's what the data tells us (historically) Edited July 22, 2022 by Macca 1 1 Quote
bluey 1,123 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) I’ve had enough of this. Its time the club wrote to each member and explained their tactical position on these signatures. Am I seriously supposed to be enjoying the race to the finals while all this commotion is going on.? Edited July 22, 2022 by bluey Spellen 1 1 4 Quote
whatwhat say what 23,854 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, bluey said: I’ve had enough of this. Its time the club wrote to each member and explained their tactical position on these signatures. Am I seriously supposed to be enjoying the race to the finals while all this commotion is going on.? you should write a stern letter 2 3 Quote
Diamond_Jim 12,772 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 Brayshaw renegotiated his contract on the back of his stellar post bye season of 2018. He would be paid very well. 1 Quote
Demon17 5,262 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Mel Bourne said: Unlike Jackson, Gus very much has a life in Melbourne. Between the club, his partner Danielle and the Frawley family, it’s very hard to see him leaving. Leaving Melbourne - yes, staying in Melb but leaving the Dees - very real threat. 2 Quote
Macca 17,127 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 And a pick around the 20 mark might deliver players such as Tapscott, Blease, Maric or Strauss (for a proven player like Brayshaw) Hope you enjoy that little flashback, folks! haha 1 1 1 Quote
Travy14 2,142 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Redleg said: Gus and Jacko have the same Manager. He knows the state of play. Jacko leaves and Gus stays on probably a 5 year deal. I 100% agree here, once its known Jackson is gone Gus will sign with a little extra in him pocket. and he is worth it. give him 150k more year just to make sure he doesn't put on a Red and Black Guernsey, i couldn't handle that! 2 Quote
Mr Steve 3,820 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 Keeping this side together was always going to be near impossible. Even if we somehow keep both Brayshaw and Jackson we only get start another thread with the next young gun who has a breakout season. 1 Quote
Clintosaurus 7,953 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said: you should write a stern letter Typed with one finger, very angrily. 2 5 Quote
daisycutter 30,021 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said: Typed with one finger, very angrily. in caps 2 1 Quote
The Swimming Dee 1,907 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 31 minutes ago, Macca said: And a pick around the 20 mark might deliver players such as Tapscott, Blease, Maric or Strauss (for a proven player like Brayshaw) Hope you enjoy that little flashback, folks! haha But Strauss is such a beautiful kick...you'll see when he cements a spot in the senior team 1 1 Quote
Ted Lasso 19,586 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 I’d also not underestimate the fact that the media got hold of Gus meeting with Essendon. Often these things are leaked by player managers to put pressure on the club to up the offer. this one sends a clear message to the dees that Gus wants to stay in Victoria but you’re going to have to up the offer on the table 1 Quote
daisycutter 30,021 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said: I’d also not underestimate the fact that the media got hold of Gus meeting with Essendon. Often these things are leaked by player managers to put pressure on the club to up the offer. this one sends a clear message to the dees that Gus wants to stay in Victoria but you’re going to have to up the offer on the table probably......but it also could have been a meeting about gus with his manager and essendon the media are very loose with their wording and love ambiguity 3 Quote
Neil Crompton 5,852 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 Gus doesn’t strike me as the kind of person to leave the MFC just for the money. To me it would be virtually all about the opportunity to play the role that he feels best suits him. If MFC are not going to give him that opportunity, then why wouldn’t you look around? With the wealth of talent we have down back, I cannot understand why Gus hasn’t been given a shot in the middle - particularly last week with Oliver out. If mid time opportunity is his beef, then I’d say last week would have been a knife in the back. I’d suggest that Gus is a much better all round player now than when he came 3rd in the Brownlow back in 2018, and as such, would be much better equipped to lift our dismal clearance numbers. So give him a go in the center Goody, what have you got to lose? (Other than Gus). 2 Quote
Macca 17,127 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 25 minutes ago, The Swimming Dee said: But Strauss is such a beautiful kick...you'll see when he cements a spot in the senior team All the draftees tried their best ... but that's the vagaries of drafting Since that time we've done extra well It's a bit like betting on the horses! 2 Quote
rjay 25,424 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Macca said: All the draftees tried their best ... but that's the vagaries of drafting Since that time we've done extra well It's a bit like betting on the horses! So you think we might be due a bust 'Macca'???? Best we put our chips on tried and proven if we get some draft capital this year... 1 Quote
Macca 17,127 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, rjay said: So you think we might be due a bust 'Macca'???? Best we put our chips on tried and proven if we get some draft capital this year... We keep ridin' the JT train, rjay The bloke has got a great eye for talent Up there with Wells, Clayton & the Richmond recruiter 3 Quote
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