Farewell Luke Jackson

[Demon3 2,541]

16 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

 

The following top 10 picks I think are more gettable than the others:

Pick 5: currently at Adelaide, on the way to GC who seem keen to spread their list with future picks

Pick 7: at GC, on the way with Bowes, possibly open to Ess or Geel downgrades. Bombers need more picks, Geel could use more to get trades done 

Pick 8: at Port, possibly on the way to North who could do better with multiple picks to restock their list 

Pick 9: St Kilda, think they’ll value multiple picks to restock their youth 
 

With 3 of those picks set to move hands I don’t think a Jackson deal will be quick if we want to make sure a top 10 pick comes with it 

Correct. it will be one of the last to drop unfortunately. 

Edited October 3, 2022 by Demon3

[Nascent 7,286]

New trade fantasy because I'm bored.

Essendon receive Bowes and pick 7 from GC.

Eagles trade picks 2 and 20 to the Bombers for picks 4 and 7

Melbourne trade Jackson and 33 to Eagles for picks 4 and future 1st.

 

Melbourne recieve: Pick 4, Eagles F1

Melbourne lose: Jackson, 33

West Coast receive: Jackson, pick 7

West Coast lose: pick 2 and 20, Future 1st

Essendon receive: 2, 20 and Bowes

Essendon lose: 4, 7

 

(Waste of time I know as he's going Freo but Eagles haven't been ruled out yet.)

Edited October 3, 2022 by Nascent

[Demon3 2,541]

GWS just got picks 12 and 19 for Taranto. You can argue we wont get as good a deal as that for Jackson.

[DeeSpencer 23,134]

13 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Correct. it will be one of the last to drop unfortunately. 

Depends on what order we want to do things. If we’re confident we can eventually shuffle picks around we might accept the Jackson deal early. 

[Dockett 32 1,213]

7 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

GWS just got picks 12 and 19 for Taranto. You can argue we wont get as good a deal as that for Jackson.

Taranto 3 yo , no rising star , smaller pay packet. Not comparable at all.

[Ollie fan 2,139]

Surely the Horne-Francis business teaches usone very plain fact: draft picks are unreliable. Getting, for example, pick number three does not give you a player is good as Jackson; it gives you the hope of getting a player is good as Jackson. I believe he should be traded for a proven player of high-quality and possibly draft picks as well.

[DubDee 20,677]

11 minutes ago, Dockett 32 said:

Taranto 3 yo , no rising star , smaller pay packet. Not comparable at all.

Agree they are not comparable but not in the way you mean

6"2' proven gun mid, BnF winner, 15 votes in the Brownlow last year. Future leader, can go fwd and kick goals.

LJ's worth is largely on what he might become due to his physical attributes (and playing some great games for us)

[Demon3 2,541]

20 minutes ago, Dockett 32 said:

Taranto 3 yo , no rising star , smaller pay packet. Not comparable at all.

Thats what I'm saying.. the deal for him will be better that what we get for Jackson.

[Sir Why You Little 34,511]

12 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

Surely the Horne-Francis business teaches usone very plain fact: draft picks are unreliable. Getting, for example, pick number three does not give you a player is good as Jackson; it gives you the hope of getting a player is good as Jackson. I believe he should be traded for a proven player of high-quality and possibly draft picks as well.

Interesting concept. I don’t mind it, but who can we target. LJ is still 20. 
Young Brayshaw is the only one who sticks out for me

[Garbo 1,330]

14 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Thats what I'm saying.. the deal for him will be better that what we get for Jackson.

Ultimate test of worth is what Freo is going to pay Jackson, so far as what has been speculated on there respective contracts Jackson’s deal is for more. So we should be expecting Freo to match the Taranto deal and then some

[manny100 1,010]

Part of our Jackson booty will be used for Grundy. The best part for young talent. Talk is an early 2nd rounder will get Grundy done so an early 1st rounder should give us some good options.

A good KPF as an early draftee would a good choice for list/age balance.

 

[mmwd6 214]

3 hours ago, Garbo said:

Ultimate test of worth is what Freo is going to pay Jackson, so far as what has been speculated on there respective contracts Jackson’s deal is for more. So we should be expecting Freo to match the Taranto deal and then some

Edmund said today around 700k/5yrs. But anywhere from 700k/5yrs-$1mil/8yrs has been floated around. 

Taranto was 750k/7yrs so probably similar. Unpopular opinion maybe but I think taranto is worth more. He's only 24 and has a b&f to his name and is just about to hit his peak. Jackson is all about size and potential which he isn't guaranteed to reach. 

I don't think it will happen but anything better than 13 and F1 with nothing going back would be a pleasant surprise. I have low hopes for this trade.

[fr_ap 2,148]

5 minutes ago, mmwd6 said:

Edmund said today around 700k/5yrs. But anywhere from 700k/5yrs-$1mil/8yrs has been floated around. 

Taranto was 750k/7yrs so probably similar. Unpopular opinion maybe but I think taranto is worth more. He's only 24 and has a b&f to his name and is just about to hit his peak. Jackson is all about size and potential which he isn't guaranteed to reach. 

I don't think it will happen but anything better than 13 and F1 with nothing going back would be a pleasant surprise. I have low hopes for this trade.

Agree 100% couldn't have put it any better. I know which one I'd be chasing if I had that cash and draft picks and it wouldn't be Jackson. Taranto and Hopper are seriously good and make the Tigers a real weapon again. They lacked grunt inside but have smarts in spades across the ground....deadly combo once you add the grunt 

[Demons1858 1,658]

5 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

When did melbourne last get stooged?

It's rare but we paid overs for lever who was out of contract and nominated us. we also picked up KK because some new medical report said his neck needed strengthening and it would stop. us concussion ... 

[dazzledavey36 48,788]

Freo being drunk during trade period..

[Queanbeyan Demon 5,964]

1 hour ago, Demons1858 said:

It's rare but we paid overs for lever who was out of contract and nominated us. we also picked up KK because some new medical report said his neck needed strengthening and it would stop. us concussion ... 

What's the evidence we paid overs for Lever? A complete myth. Amongst other wins for us out of the deal, we welcomed Petty to Melbourne and secured an all Australian and key Premiership player. We are asking for a similar exchange for Jackson. 

Edited October 3, 2022 by Queanbeyan Demon
Typo

[Jaded No More 57,965]

6 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Freo being drunk during trade period..

This can’t be a real offer. 
Peter Bell is a moron. 

[mmwd6 214]

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Freo being drunk during trade period..

This was always going to be their starting point. What more do they have to offer with what they've got? I suspect we'll get more thrown in there from the Logue trade. 

[DubDee 20,677]

Pick 13 and around 14 is not enough. 
 

GAGF Freo

[dazzledavey36 48,788]

2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

This can’t be a real offer. 
Peter Bell is a moron. 

Thanks for your time Freo.

Onto West Coast we go.

[Robbie57 1,990]

Looks like he will go to west coast then. 
 

[Jaded No More 57,965]

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Thanks for your time Freo.

Onto West Coast we go.

Yep soz Luke but I give precisely 0 [censored] about your desire to land at Fremantle. Should have stayed put. Now you can go to a bottom 2 side. 

Edited October 3, 2022 by Jaded No More

[Gawndy the Great 7,398]

On 9/29/2022 at 9:29 AM, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I think we'll get two first rounders between picks 10 and 20 for Jackson.

If you listen to Matt Rendell who's familiar with list management and trading, he states that the best and most professional clubs such as Geelong look for a win-win for both clubs as opposed to "I'm winning this trade and you're losing it". Clubs need to maintain a good reputation if they want to get a big trade done down the line.

Geelong purchase a player at a commensurate price (eg - Cameron) and don't try and rip off the vendor when they trade out a player.

My impression of our club is that we fit in the Geelong bracket of fair dealings, and therefore I'm not expecting a huge windfall from the LJ trade.

We are also hamstrung by the fact that he's out of contract and had a poor season.

But in the two picks in the 10-20 range deal , we’d be the ones getting ripped off.

If Freo had the picks I’d happily settle for something like 5-8 + 15-20. If LJ was a midfielder I’d probably care less on the combo, but any KPF worth a look won’t be available after pick 10. 

[layzie 28,767]

8 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

What's the evidence we paid overs for Lever? A complete myth. Amongst other wins for us out of the deal, we welcomed Petty to Melbourne and secured an all Australian and key Premiership player. We are asking for a similar exchange for Jackson. 

Yeah agree that's total nonsense. The future first might have been slightly questionable at best.

[Demons1858 1,658]

3 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

What's the evidence we paid overs for Lever? A complete myth. Amongst other wins for us out of the deal, we welcomed Petty to Melbourne and secured an all Australian and key Premiership player. We are asking for a similar exchange for Jackson. 

Lever has finished top 10 in our best and fairest 1 in five years and finished 19th this year