CHANGES: Rd 15 vs Essendon

[Clayton spirit 258]

I agree. Why not run with our successful line up from the first 6 weeks. 

[Guest]

In: Brown, Viney

Out: Weid, Sparrow

I’m thinking in the next few games that if BBB doesn’t fire or at least give a reasonable return, we go smaller. The question then is do we go with Melk, Vandenburg (Goody said he is pushing for selection in the presser) or Jones (his steady head would have helped tonight).

[picket fence 17,741]

33 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

2 obvious ins and outs.

IN: VINEY, B.BROWN

OUT: SPARROW, WEIDEMAN

Weideman won't play a game for the rest of the season he's cooked. Time to let him go for a second rounder.

The amount of times ge gets pushed under the ball. Just has no presence!

[DubDee 26,191]

Likely changes based on emergencies this week 

viney and M Brown in

sparrow and Weed out

we desperately need a leading fwd. 

[Antioch 232]

Weideman isn’t cooked he’s just not up to it. Trade him.

Edited June 14, 2021 by Antioch

[WERRIDEE 5,541]

4 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Likely changes based on emergencies this week 

viney and M Brown in

sparrow and Weed out

we desperately need a leading fwd. 

M.Brown is more of a replacement for F

[WERRIDEE 5,541]

Just now, WERRIDEE said:

M.Brown is more of a replacement for Fritsch he's not a key forward. Anyone not demanding Ben Brown in the side has rocks in their head.

 

[Swooper1987 3,322]

In: Viney, Melksham

Out: Weidemann, Sparrow

The smaller forward line will work much better against Essendon who have some great running, rebound defenders.  3 goals today betwen Jackson and Gawn was a great result and to be honest they were our only real threats when forward.

[WERRIDEE 5,541]

2 minutes ago, Swooper1987 said:

In: Viney, Melksham

Out: Weidemann, Sparrow

The smaller forward line will work much better against Essendon who have some great running, rebound defenders.  3 goals today betwen Jackson and Gawn was a great result and to be honest they were our only real threats when forward.

They have no key defenders perfect time for Ben Brown not Melksham who has been given chance after chance

[layzie 34,147]

In: Viney, Brown

Out: Weid, Sparrow.

No need to Chuck the magnets around, just do better. 

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 3,293]

Is Nathan Jones currently available for selection or injured? If Viney were to not be right against the Dons, I reckon we could do worse than give Nathan a shot back in the middle over Sparrow. He might help with contested ball in the guts. Don’t shoot me!

[D4Life 2,572]

16 minutes ago, layzie said:

In: Viney, Brown

Out: Weid, Sparrow.

No need to Chuck the magnets around, just do better. 

Agree, as a few others have previously posted.

Demons looked flat and didn’t run. If we’re not willing to run we won’t win many games! If we run we are very hard to beat!

[Pates 9,661]

This week wasn’t lost at selection, it was lost between the ears of the players. 

If Viney is good to go he comes in for Sparrow. 

When is VFL starting up again? I really want a body of form to be able to bring BBB in. I kinda lean towards bringing Mitch Brown in as a mid forward, plus he always seems to pull out good games against the bombers.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

3 hours ago, Clayton spirit said:

I agree. Why not run with our successful line up from the first 6 weeks. 

That would include Chunk, Viney and Tomlinson.  Of course we aren't getting the latter back.

We have struggled in the first half of a number of matches and struggled to put away most clubs, even the crappy ones (Norf, the Crows and now the Pies),  since Viney & Tomlinson departed.

The Tigers match was the last time Viney / Tommo played (Rnd 6) and the last time i felt we had another (quality) team convincingly covered from the get go,  aside from the Doggies.

I would not play Sparrow/Melk ahead of Chunk* (if 100% fit) for the remainder of the season (unless injured) either.  Neither are reliable under heat against quality opposition and Melk has zero defensive qualities.  Anyone who thinks he does please watch his replays in full.  His opponent is mostly yards ahead when we don't have the ball and he is coasting/struggling to close down the space.  He just doesn't have the two way running capability and/or the will to.

Sparrow might develop into a player at some point but the difference between his best and worst is just too massive to risk vs Chunk (once match fit) at this stage.

*Obviously Viney comes in ahead of all of these.

We can cover Tomlinson to a point with Petty (who is still a fair way off Tommo though) but IMHO we aren't good enough to go further than a PF without Viney back in and fully match fit.

And don't kid yourselves, our depth isn't that good, especially up forward.  Would give BB another block of three.  Fails and he is done and joins the Weid back at Casey for the remainder unless we lose T-Mac (Lucifer forbid).  Mitch maybe two/three (max) if BB fails.  If neither of those two cut it then just revert back to the original set up to Rnd 6.

Edited June 14, 2021 by Rusty Nails

[Supreme_Demon 3,903]

In: Benny Brown and Jack Viney

Out: Sam Weideman and Tom Sparrow

Medical Substitute: Nathan Jones

 

[bing181 9,348]

Not sure Viney will be straight in. Has been out for a long time. A half in the VFL first? Don't know that we can afford too many passengers against Essendon, they've got their tails up at the moment.

[Dr.D 1,771]

In: M.Brown, Viney
Out: Weideboy, Sparrow.

I personally don't think Ben Brown should come in. Has show sweet F all whenever he's come into the seniors and his lack of ability to provide forward half pressure hurts us even more. Also he lack of ability to mark makes Weideboy look like Wayne Carey. mitch Brown for me. 

[Nairobi_Demon 335]

1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

In: M.Brown, Viney
Out: Weideboy, Sparrow.

I personally don't think Ben Brown should come in. Has show sweet F all whenever he's come into the seniors and his lack of ability to provide forward half pressure hurts us even more. Also he lack of ability to mark makes Weideboy look like Wayne Carey. mitch Brown for me. 

He kicked 5 goals in his first three games back from a long injury break and it’s now come out that his body wasn’t ready. If he can bag 5 when his body isn’t right and he’s still get used to the team, I’d love to see what he can do when his body is right and he’s settled with the team. 

Edited June 14, 2021 by Nairobi_Demon

[John Demonic 5,870]

1 hour ago, Nairobi_Demon said:

He kicked 5 goals in his first three games back from a long injury break and it’s now come out that his body wasn’t ready. If he can bag 5 when his body isn’t right and he’s stilling get used to the team, I’d love to see what he can do when his body is right and he’s settled with the team. 

Dr D thought BB should've been dropped after his first game. Not sure you're going to get a balanced discussion there.

2 hours ago, Dr.D said:

In: M.Brown, Viney
Out: Weideboy, Sparrow.

I personally don't think Ben Brown should come in. Has show sweet F all whenever he's come into the seniors and his lack of ability to provide forward half pressure hurts us even more. Also he lack of ability to mark makes Weideboy look like Wayne Carey. mitch Brown for me. 

It's Weideboy now is it? Weren't you celebrating the dropping of Ben Brown for a forward line with  Weideman in it v Adelaide, and telling the forum how you were two weeks ahead of everyone by saying BB should've been dropped after 1 game? ?  And lack of ability to mark? Are you now completely ignoring the marks he took against Sydney rising up an arm's length above any defender? When did Weideman do that?

Anyway, it turns out you were actually a month behind on Weideman mate! But hey, we had to give him a month's run at it right... Can't drop him after one game.

Edited June 14, 2021 by John Demonic

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,464]

4 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

That would include Chunk, Viney and Tomlinson.  Of course we aren't getting the latter back.

We have struggled in the first half of a number of matches and struggled to put away most clubs, even the crappy ones (Norf, the Crows and now the Pies),  since Viney & Tomlinson departed.

The Tigers match was the last time Viney / Tommo played (Rnd 6) and the last time i felt we had another (quality) team convincingly covered from the get go,  aside from the Doggies.

I would not play Sparrow/Melk ahead of Chunk* (if 100% fit) for the remainder of the season (unless injured) either.  Neither are reliable under heat against quality opposition and Melk has zero defensive qualities.  Anyone who thinks he does please watch his replays in full.  His opponent is mostly yards ahead when we don't have the ball and he is coasting/struggling to close down the space.  He just doesn't have the two way running capability and/or the will to.

Sparrow might develop into a player at some point but the difference between his best and worst is just too massive to risk vs Chunk (once match fit) at this stage.

*Obviously Viney comes in ahead of all of these.

We can cover Tomlinson to a point with Petty (who is still a fair way off Tommo though) but IMHO we aren't good enough to go further than a PF without Viney back in and fully match fit.

And don't kid yourselves, our depth isn't that good, especially up forward.  Would give BB another block of three.  Fails and he is done and joins the Weid back at Casey for the remainder unless we lose T-Mac (Lucifer forbid).  Mitch maybe two/three (max) if BB fails.  If neither of those two cut it then just revert back to the original set up to Rnd 6.

How generous of you. Brown did more in his first two games then Weid did In five.

[Deemania since 56 6,738]

10 hours ago, Click_Bate said:

IN Viney, B.Brown.

OUT Weid, Sparrow.

Besides Tomlinson who I think is now clearly the better option over Petty when fit, we should be able to field our best possible side against Essendon

Petty should be trained as the backup forward.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

4 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

How generous of you. Brown did more in his first two games then Weid did In five.

At some stage in a winning team you have to start clicking and performing consistently BA.  How long do you want to give to see if he's in form and slotting in fine?  Surely if he is he hits on at least one or two of those chances.

[dazzledavey36 55,456]

To say we have missed Viney is an understatement. I want him back into the team more then anything. The issue though is match fitness. If the VFL happens to resume this week then surely he plays 3 quarters at least to give him prime position to come in against the Bombers.

Ins: Viney, Mitch Brown/Ben Brown

Outs: Weideman, Chandler

[Lord Nev 13,512]

OUT: Weideman, Sparrow

IN: Melksham, Viney

Go back to the 'smaller' setup we had at the start of the year. I believe it will help with some of our developing problems in forward pressure and forward delivery. Would like to see Melksham played more as a forward again and less of a mid/forward, obviously his selection would be pending him showing the required intent at training.

Mitch Brown isn't the answer, and would like to see Ben Brown actually earn a game before coming in.

 

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

In: Ben Brown, Jack Viney 

Out: Sam Weideman, Tom Sparrow