On 24/04/2021 at 22:41, Lucifer's Hero said:

Without getting ahead of ourselves, the next 3 games are an ideal opportunity to try out different ideas - nothing drastic  just one or max of two at at time. 

At some stage we need to get Brown into the side so vs North is the ideal time, then let him settle into the team dynamics vs Sydney and Carlton before facing Bulldogs and beyond.

Ditto the next three weeks is a good time to rotate any young or sore players or to try out players in the VFL knocking on the door. 

So a few changes in the next few weeks will strengthen our selection flexibility.

Play players on merit and form and health ( fitness) Don't flirt with selection for selection sake!!

  On 25/04/2021 at 01:14, sisso said:

Would also like to see what Chandler can do he looked in great form in the pre season....don’t think we’ve ever been in this position before so many players to try and fit in!

The answer is you DONT TRY TO FIT IN players unless there is a good reason !!

  On 25/04/2021 at 05:45, 58er said:

The answer is you DONT TRY TO FIT IN players unless there is a good reason !!

Makes sense to manage the side as appropriate too though...no point flogging 22 blokes before finals then copping injuries and not having enough players who’ve been exposed at the top level 

Don't agree at all with the sentiment that next week's a good time to "experiment".

We're bringing Brown in if we think it's a sustainable line up whether it's the Dogs or North Melbourne as the opponent. We're not doing it just because it's North.

IMO Brown makes us better and we have to aim to get better. Premierships aren't won in April. Sides are going to put even more time into us now than ever before. We've got a fiendish back half of the year fixture wise. We need to continue to put what we think is our best 22 on the park and try to improve where we can. If that means Brown, then we need to work out how to make the side work with him in it, because right now TMac, Jackson and Fritsch are locked into the 22.

So if he comes in, it has to be for one of the players closer to the bottom of the 22: Melksham, Jones, Spargo and Jordon. Can we make it work? I think we can: whether it's Melksham or Jones, I think we can make the 22 work replacing them with Brown. 

  On 25/04/2021 at 05:49, sisso said:

Makes sense to manage the side as appropriate too though...no point flogging 22 blokes before finals then copping injuries and not having enough players who’ve been exposed at the top level 

Natural form and Injury Plus hopefully not suspension generally intervene so no use forcing an issue at present.

Once you are also ensconced in say the top rungs you can look at health and niggles etc.  Or a player say like Chandler who I believe is really close to best 23 emerge as up to AFL standard then it's The time to reward this achievement. 

  On 25/04/2021 at 05:53, titan_uranus said:

Don't agree at all with the sentiment that next week's a good time to "experiment".

We're bringing Brown in if we think it's a sustainable line up whether it's the Dogs or North Melbourne as the opponent. We're not doing it just because it's North.

IMO Brown makes us better and we have to aim to get better. Premierships aren't won in April. Sides are going to put even more time into us now than ever before. We've got a fiendish back half of the year fixture wise. We need to continue to put what we think is our best 22 on the park and try to improve where we can. If that means Brown, then we need to work out how to make the side work with him in it, because right now TMac, Jackson and Fritsch are locked into the 22.

So if he comes in, it has to be for one of the players closer to the bottom of the 22: Melksham, Jones, Spargo and Jordon. Can we make it work? I think we can: whether it's Melksham or Jones, I think we can make the 22 work replacing them with Brown. 

Agree Titan 

We need a proper full forward. Brown or the weed has to come in. Problem is they are both tall. I believe we need both of them and should be brought in. Melksham and 1 other rested is the way to go. If it is in Hobast then only 1 coz of weather.

  On 24/04/2021 at 22:44, leave it to deever said:

We have one of the best full fwds in the competition who has proved he is back in form.

If Bbb does not come in against his old club then we may as well trade him.

Im sure he will get a look.

Out. Melksham.

In. B. Brown.

Go dees.

Id keep Melksham as the Super Sub but other than that a whole heap of players are banging down the door for inclusion, Depending on soreness levels and perhaps wanting to freshen some players up a few might well be rested over the next weeks.

In no particular order the following could easily come in Weeds, Nev, Harmes, Majak, Toby Bedford, Chandler, Sparrow, Jake Bowey has had two very good games and Deakyn Smith is no slouch either! How good is it that players who would ordinarily be walk up starts haqve to wait until either form of injury occurs

Edited April 25, 20213 yr by picket fence

Definitely no experimentation or managing of players. I agree with Titan above - we have 4 games in a row against lowly opponents. We have a horrendous record of dropping games like these. So we power on with our best 22 until injury or form demands otherwise. 

There might be individuals who appear to be playing without too much impact - Melksham and Jones -  but the team football across the 22 shouldn't be tampered with. 

No change.

Edited April 25, 20213 yr by Maldonboy38
typos and grammar

  On 25/04/2021 at 05:37, 58er said:

We don't need Tmac on the wing !

How many times have you suggested this mythical change in our structure?

Isn't his form good  enough ? Let the bloke do what he does best . The Mark McLure role in the forward line Marking kicking goals and making ways for and protecting our smalls. 
 

It's going well and honestly both Weid and BBB are not that same type of player to assist others.

Just wanting to play certain players to fit them in is not team football. They must all gel and right now Melksham is probably the elephant in the room.

Plus Angus is owning his wing with great support for the defenders and also a good feeder to the leads from Our forwards.

We don't need to experiment and risk mucking up Tmac'a form and the Forward line and centre line synergy.

Yes we do. Brown is our FF.

If TMac can’t fit into that then that is a problem. He trained in the summer for a wing and while his kicking would be heart in mouth stuff when he runs defensively he will be up there with Langdon with kms covered and would be a dangerous threat running forward and taking grabs overlapping with the forwards.

And lastly, injuries will impact ‘synergy’ we should experiment within reason to make sure we are prepared for the inevitable forced changes that will have to come if we are to play 26 weeks this season.

FWIW, BB must have played more games at Blundstone than any other Demon. If we need a bit of ground experience and expertise, to go with his height and ability, he is a possible in.

  On 25/04/2021 at 06:11, rpfc said:

Yes we do. Brown is our FF.

If TMac can’t fit into that then that is a problem. He trained in the summer for a wing and while his kicking would be heart in mouth stuff when he runs defensively he will be up there with Langdon with kms covered and would be a dangerous threat running forward and taking grabs overlapping with the forwards.

If Brown comes in for someone like Melksham, the vacancy in the team will be on the HFF, not the wing. Can TMac do that role? I guess it’s not dissimilar to wing.

I’m not sure why Fritsch isn’t in the conversation for a higher role and keep TMac deeper.

  On 25/04/2021 at 06:12, Redleg said:

FWIW, BB must have played more games at Blundstone than any other Demon. If we need a bit of ground experience and expertise, to go with his height and ability, he is a possible in.

He has a 14-4 record there. Happy hunting ground for him traditionally.

  On 25/04/2021 at 06:04, dl4e said:

We need a proper full forward. Brown or the weed has to come in. Problem is they are both tall. I believe we need both of them and should be brought in. Melksham and 1 other rested is the way to go. If it is in Hobast then only 1 coz of weather.

Agreed on this.

Bringing in Ben Brown is not experimenting. It is bringing in a proven 60 goal a year full forward. It wont ruin the chemistry. Tom McDonald is a workhorse all up the ground, Fritsch is a mid sized forward and LJ can do anything anywhere, theres plenty of room for BBB and all of them to operate.

I remember one of the players being discussed having a crucial shot at game end that didn’t end well.

if I can remember it it’s likely he hasn’t forgotten 

Bringing him back to the senior level in a game like the next one could be the right time to reinstate his place in the firsts and build the confidence that will be necessary later in the year (likely)

  On 25/04/2021 at 05:37, 58er said:

We don't need Tmac on the wing !

How many times have you suggested this mythical change in our structure?

Isn't his form good  enough ? Let the bloke do what he does best . The Mark McLure role in the forward line Marking kicking goals and making ways for and protecting our smalls. 
 

It's going well and honestly both Weid and BBB are not that same type of player to assist others.

Just wanting to play certain players to fit them in is not team football. They must all gel and right now Melksham is probably the elephant in the room.

Plus Angus is owning his wing with great support for the defenders and also a good feeder to the leads from Our forwards.

We don't need to experiment and risk mucking up Tmac'a form and the Forward line and centre line synergy.

Umm, are you confusing me with someone else? Because this would literally be the first time I've suggested this change.

I am loving McDonalds form and couldn't be happier for him. But Brown is better, he just is. We didn't recruit him to play at Casey so when there is an opportunity to improve your team you look at it. McDonald was touted for time on the wing during pre-season and that's where he spent most of his time training prior to the injuries to Weideman and Brown. That's the main reason I bring up that move. Plus with his endurance base and ability to present up and down the ground as a legitimate marking target he could absolute own a wing. 

Perhaps there is a way we could accommodate one of Brown and Weideman into the forward 50 to partner McDonald as well.

 

Rather see BB in against the Roos to get some seniors time in prep for Sydney and then Adelaide after the blues 

  On 25/04/2021 at 04:05, Chook said:

I'd be very surprised if Wiedeman is still at Melbourne next year if he can't somehow break into the side.

Probably true. We can't keep them all on the list and clearly we didn't want to going into 2021.

  On 25/04/2021 at 06:11, rpfc said:

Yes we do. Brown is our FF.

If TMac can’t fit into that then that is a problem. He trained in the summer for a wing and while his kicking would be heart in mouth stuff when he runs defensively he will be up there with Langdon with kms covered and would be a dangerous threat running forward and taking grabs overlapping with the forwards.

And lastly, injuries will impact ‘synergy’ we should experiment within reason to make sure we are prepared for the inevitable forced changes that will have to come if we are to play 26 weeks this season.

Goodwin has made it clear at his pressers that Tom M is playing great footy up forward & is NOT going to a wing.

At some stage I think we have to work out a structure to get Brown in. A top power forward is the last piece of the puzzle for our push towards September. The magnets might need to be shifted around but I think it can be done. 

This might end up being Weiderman’s last year with Melbourne if he doesn’t see first team action. He’s too good to be wasting away in the VFL. 

I (and the club) never would have expected Weid and Brown to succumb to injuries before we begun. The T-Mac wing role was probably a last straw type deal. I doubt the club ever considered this scenario occurring but it really is a conundrum.

For the latter half of the year, I believe Weid and Ben Brown are more important than T-Mac, however I commend him for making it difficult to get them in. He’s had a great start.

Still believe we need to roll guys through in the middle third of the year so we have every base covered for a proper tilt at finals and going deep in them 

I worry about Jones just going, Melky will have one good game and 6 nothing games. Feel like those 2 are the obvious targets to go out, but as mentioned their positions would mean a definite shift in structure/setup

  On 25/04/2021 at 04:44, Grr-owl said:

A little bell is ringing in my head.... Weid out, Merrett in?

t what l was thinking. Who do we swap for him?

  On 25/04/2021 at 06:11, rpfc said:

Yes we do. Brown is our FF.

If TMac can’t fit into that then that is a problem. He trained in the summer for a wing and while his kicking would be heart in mouth stuff when he runs defensively he will be up there with Langdon with kms covered and would be a dangerous threat running forward and taking grabs overlapping with the forwards.

And lastly, injuries will impact ‘synergy’ we should experiment within reason to make sure we are prepared for the inevitable forced changes that will have to come if we are to play 26 weeks this season.

TMac is the best middle distance runner on our list, and given his size and football skill would be a headache for all oppositions on the wing. He sort of played a floating wingman in 2018 and that turned out “ok”.

I think we made selection for the tigs game which valued proven team dynamic, wet weather conditions and need for pressure to play against tigs system. 

If I was selecting to play the dogs I'd want to exploit their shallow key def. posts. 

BBB for Jones (rested) is the go. Melksham at least has the potential to whip a couple goals out of his [censored], or hit team mates with bullet passes, which Jones does not. No one else will be dropped on current form. Melksham's upside over Jones keeps him in.

T Mac's up the ground marking ability keeps him in the side over Weid. 

Edited April 25, 20213 yr by adonski

  On 25/04/2021 at 08:03, Cranky Franky said:

Goodwin has made it clear at his pressers that Tom M is playing great footy up forward & is NOT going to a wing.

No he hasn’t. He said he isn’t getting dropped and isn’t going to the backline.