a woeful comparison. Cyril kept his feet in the contest whereas Kozzy always falls over. Cyril also had far better foot skills and football IQ/nous around goals. 

6 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

 

Kozzie needs to get his fitness up before he can make a decent impact and fulfill his talents. He’s dead last on our list for fitness, to the point now where he’s being put into the rehab group at training because he can’t keep up.

Is there any evidence for this? He could be in the rehab group for a niggle or because he’s done a lot of work and needs to be held back.

Lewis says he’s tearing up the track. That doesn’t exactly correlate with remedial fitness work. 

59 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

a woeful comparison. Cyril kept his feet in the contest whereas Kozzy always falls over. Cyril also had far better foot skills and football IQ/nous around goals. 

It wasn't really a "comparison". He simply said he's seen Kozzy do some things up the field that he hasn't seen since Cyril.

He didn't say they play the exact same way. He didn't say Kozzy will be as good as Cyril. He didn't say they do all the same things.

Pretty silly to say it's a "woeful comparison" given a) It wasn't a comparison, and b) The bloke giving his opinion has 4 flags and has spent a fair bit of time watching both players in training.

Rioli started his career with in a top performing team with experienced players like Hodge, Franklin, Lewis, Mitchell, Roughhead in the team to give him cover and provide him with scope to perform.

Kozzie started in a dud season without this experienced core to shield him. If he is good enough we will soon know. The bits I saw last year give me confidence that he has many of the right qualities to progress.

Let's all calm own and give him the time and space he needs to develop.

3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

That’s Pickett compared with Dan Rioli. All he has to do is find half a tackle more and 3 uncontested touches which comes from work rate and team cohesion and he’s on par statistically. 
 

Games are won largely by 22 players knowing and doing their role. If one of our big forwards stands up along with Gawn, Oliver, Petracca and May I think we’ll be fine for star power. It’s finding more consistency and skill across the 22 that holds us back. 

Dan Rioli would be 3rd or 4th in line over there, if that.

 

Grievance archeologists are at it again.

Lewis should be punished for his thoughts.

10 hours ago, It's Time said:

The biggest knock on Kossie when recruited was his lack of fitness and tendency to fade in and out of games.  
All I can do is comment on what I actually saw during the season. Some of his end to end running last season creating chains of possessions or creating forward options having run from the backline were phenomenal. Personally I’m not worried about his fitness levels. Lord Nev how do you know he’s in the rehab group because of lack of fitness? Are you guessing or did the coaches tell you that. 
Fading in and out of games could be a worry or could be a reflection on a completely disfunctional forward line with minimal opportunities for crumbing small forwards. Cyril averaged something like 12 possessions a game. It’s not everything. 
 

Am I missing something? I thought it was Lord Travis that made the comment.

I do agree with your question however

20 hours ago, It's Time said:

The biggest knock on Kossie when recruited was his lack of fitness and tendency to fade in and out of games.  
All I can do is comment on what I actually saw during the season. Some of his end to end running last season creating chains of possessions or creating forward options having run from the backline were phenomenal. Personally I’m not worried about his fitness levels. Lord Nev how do you know he’s in the rehab group because of lack of fitness? Are you guessing or did the coaches tell you that. 
Fading in and out of games could be a worry or could be a reflection on a completely disfunctional forward line with minimal opportunities for crumbing small forwards. Cyril averaged something like 12 possessions a game. It’s not everything. 
 

Such criticism for a player entering just his 2nd year of AFL. From memory Cyril was never a 4 quarter player but could win a game in a quarter. If Lewis is seeing some of those attributes...then very happy with that !  To me who judged his first season as just that ...I believe he has enormous upside which we will see building over the next few seasons.

 

 

21 hours ago, It's Time said:

Lord Nev how do you know he’s in the rehab group because of lack of fitness? Are you guessing or did the coaches tell you that.
 

That was @Lord Travis mate. But fair question.

29 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

That was @Lord Travis mate. But fair question.

@It's Time

Someone at the club told me they were having to manage his training loads to build his endurance, as he’s a fair way behind most of the list. Nothing to be concerned about, he’s young and they don’t want him to overdo it and develop groin or foot issues. He’s got a fair way to go though fitness wise before we’ll see anywhere near the best of him. Obviously we’re going to invest hard and be patient in developing him after spending a first rounder on him and filling a big need on our list.

He’s a talent for sure, but long way to go and comparisons with Cyril are silly IMO. Cyril performed at a high level from day one. Can only hope Kozzie will reach similar levels!

I reckon he was pretty good in his first season...

He needed to steady and convert a bit better but will learn that.

...and he brought the forward pressure that we sadly needed.

For a kid that doesn't have a tank he sure worked hard up and back, he wasn't afraid to work.

Couldn't ask for much more.

Bit of an overreaction from many on here. 

He never said Kozzie is as good as Cyril was at the same age. Just says hes doing similar things. And I reckon Jordy is in a better position than anyone here to make such comparisons. 

Calm your collective farms, and enjoy some favorable commentary from someone most of us here respect. 

Edited January 21, 20214 yr by Smokey

this kid has X factor, something we sorely have missed. Very few on our list have that game winning X factor. Even our better midfielders wonderful at the coal face don't have the finishing skills. so lets give him time to develop and just play his role. 

I thought Jackson showed a great deal in 5 games last year to get excited about and Kossie is not far behind. he has the tools to work with. 

It just occurred to me that surely a more entertaining comparison would be with his uncle.  More similar body and style to a young Byron than to Cyril.

For the record, Byron only broke through for one game in his first season. His second was good and his third was outstanding, with his effectiveness is highlight by 11 Brownlow votes.

The dream of course if for Kozzie to emulate Byron's peak three years with 40 goals a season and a Norm Smith Medal.

If Lewis want's to make an interesting exercise of the comparisons he should get his mate Shaun Burgoyne in to do some work with Kozzie and then offer a first-hand comparison of all three - Byron, Cyril and Kysaiah.

21 hours ago, Dr.D said:

a woeful comparison. Cyril kept his feet in the contest whereas Kozzy always falls over. Cyril also had far better foot skills and football IQ/nous around goals. 

So we should just throw the Kozz out onto the nature strip, with the Hard Rubbish Dr. Depression??

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

So we should just throw the Kozz out onto the nature strip, with the Hard Rubbish Dr. Depression??

nah he's still best 22 but he isn't the answer to having a 200 game small pocket like farmer, Davey, Robbo etc.

 

3 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

nah he's still best 22 but he isn't the answer to having a 200 game small pocket like farmer, Davey, Robbo etc.

 

Did Davey get to 200 games did he?

3 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

nah he's still best 22 but he isn't the answer to having a 200 game small pocket like farmer, Davey, Robbo etc.

 

He is about to start his 2nd year. 
The Wiz didn’t have a clue when he started in ‘95. I saw him playing practice matches at Waverley 

 

11 hours ago, rjay said:

I reckon he was pretty good in his first season...

He needed to steady and convert a bit better but will learn that.

...and he brought the forward pressure that we sadly needed.

For a kid that doesn't have a tank he sure worked hard up and back, he wasn't afraid to work.

Couldn't ask for much more.

I agree he was OK, showed some glimpses but really needs to nail his chances. He missed 2 relatively easy snaps against the Dogs and some chances in other games too. Convert those and he'll be a player for us.

At the same age I too was comparable to Cyril.

The comparison was far from flattering, however.

9 hours ago, Dr.D said:

nah he's still best 22 but he isn't the answer to having a 200 game small pocket like farmer, Davey, Robbo etc.

 

Interesting take on this. I had never thought of Davey and Robbo as small pocket players, I must of missed something. Please continue to profor these nuggets, it will certainly enhance your reputation.

12 hours ago, dworship said:

Interesting take on this. I had never thought of Davey and Robbo as small pocket players, I must of missed something. Please continue to profor these nuggets, it will certainly enhance your reputation.

I agree re Robbo. Could never be seen as a small pocket. Aaron Davey though started there and sort of redefined the role of small forward. I think its a bit of a travesty he never made it to 200 games. If he stayed forward more or had more physical support in the midfield Im sure he would have. Loved his story and career regardless.

5 hours ago, Left Foot Snap said:

I agree re Robbo. Could never be seen as a small pocket. Aaron Davey though started there and sort of redefined the role of small forward. I think its a bit of a travesty he never made it to 200 games. If he stayed forward more or had more physical support in the midfield Im sure he would have. Loved his story and career regardless.

...and he's still a good bloke apparently, helping a lot of young players develop.

18 hours ago, General Malaise said:

At the same age I too was comparable to Cyril.

The comparison was far from flattering, however.

At the same age, I was comparable to Cyril, too. I was the same age.

Some of you guys crack me up.

No one knows what the  future will bring with kosi,

Point in case is Aaron Davey. At 16 years of age he had his sublime skills  but was as slow as a wet week. And look what happened there.

Relax and let it unfold

If it  happens you will enjoy it more,