On 03/02/2021 at 00:30, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Knee reco?

Or MFCSS?

It’ll be a disappointment if he’s out for a spell but injuries are a fact of life. The good teams just get on with it.

  On 03/02/2021 at 00:37, Better days ahead said:

It’ll be a disappointment if he’s out for a spell but injuries are a fact of life. The good teams just get on with it.

What are we going to do then....?

l will assess my emotions when there is an outcome to his prognosis in due time.

Fingers and toes crossed,

Edited February 3, 20214 yr by nosoupforme

  On 02/02/2021 at 09:35, DeeSpencer said:

I don't know why Pickett gets one little band of tape across his knee but I'll make an allowance given it's clearly not a huge structural problem. Same goes for Salem's wrists and thumbs, that's meh. Not sure why Langdon has a bandage on the back of his hand but same deal.

Smith - absolutely, if you need that much knee tape then back to the rehab group for you. And Oliver I don't want anywhere near contact work until his shoulder is far more progressed.

Find a photo of Richmond from any of their recent grand finals, barely a player taped up at all.

Cannot speak for the other but Salem played the second half of 2018 with broken thumbs. He was one of the many surgeries of the 2019 pre-season. At a guess the strapping is to offer extra support to his healed injuries. Not meh. Understandable.

Lucky Tom stayed!

Another injury to a highly remunerated player, without firing a shot. 

It does make you wonder. 

It seems that whenever a club goes after a highly ranked player there is a thought process influenced by past form/history, expectation, need, injury assessment and character. Perhaps desperation. However, it’s like any marketplace where the bidders become increasingly pressured to cut a deal. Like buying a house. In many cases, prospective buyers significantly exceed their budget because in the emotion of the auction , they not only want that house but they also don’t want someone else to get it. No of us like to be beaten. 

Rationality, common sense and a state of calm goes out the window. 

The footy field is littered with dead bodies, well at least injured bodies of well performed players who have still been courted by clubs throwing wads of cash at them. Like giving a car salesman top dollar for a lovely prestige European car with dodgy electrics. The car looks great, the buyer feels great but the car breaks down on a cruise down the road. 

I sometimes think that a club would be better off giving its conditions of hire to a broker who has no attachment to the result. Where there is no negotiation when the basic minimum standards cannot be met by the player. I know that’s crazy. But at the moment there is a disconnect when a club gets itself into a big mess by paying a player a huge salary before he has got to play a game.  If you are going to pay huge dollars you at least need a standard like a probationary employment clause that gives the player and club three months to meet the playing requirements. 

The appalling history of these trades suggest that a club is better off trying to develop young recruits and have a pay structure that allows them to be developed and paid accordingly. Because the problem is that a BB situation results in a salary cap issue and the salaries of other deserving players being compressed. And can lead to money and resources being wasted on a player that may never be right. 

There are players that recover from injuries and go on to become valuable players. But the risk is so much higher with a player that has a chronic injury. 

Best not to chase a player with a serious injury history or chronic injury. 

  On 03/02/2021 at 01:34, hemingway said:

Another injury to a highly remunerated player, without firing a shot. 

It does make you wonder. 

It seems that whenever a club goes after a highly ranked player there is a thought process influenced by past form/history, expectation, need, injury assessment and character. Perhaps desperation. However, it’s like any marketplace where the bidders become increasingly pressured to cut a deal. Like buying a house. In many cases, prospective buyers significantly exceed their budget because in the emotion of the auction , they not only want that house but they also don’t want someone else to get it. No of us like to be beaten. 

Rationality, common sense and a state of calm goes out the window. 

The footy field is littered with dead bodies, well at least injured bodies of well performed players who have still been courted by clubs throwing wads of cash at them. Like giving a car salesman top dollar for a lovely prestige European car with dodgy electrics. The car looks great, the buyer feels great but the car breaks down on a cruise down the road. 

I sometimes think that a club would be better off giving its conditions of hire to a broker who has no attachment to the result. Where there is no negotiation when the basic minimum standards cannot be met by the player. I know that’s crazy. But at the moment there is a disconnect when a club gets itself into a big mess by paying a player a huge salary before he has got to play a game.  If you are going to pay huge dollars you at least need a standard like a probationary employment clause that gives the player and club three months to meet the playing requirements. 

The appalling history of these trades suggest that a club is better off trying to develop young recruits and have a pay structure that allows them to be developed and paid accordingly. Because the problem is that a BB situation results in a salary cap issue and the salaries of other deserving players being compressed. And can lead to money and resources being wasted on a player that may never be right. 

There are players that recover from injuries and go on to become valuable players. But the risk is so much higher with a player that has a chronic injury. 

Best not to chase a player with a serious injury history or chronic injury. 

This is the exact reason why I wanted two 18 year old power key forwards in Jackson Callow and Kaine Baldwin to be given the opportunity to trial with us over the summer instead of Kobe Farmer or Deakyn Smith. I still felt imo that we needed a developing tall forward sitting in the wings as there were still question marks over BB body.

https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/2020/06/11/afl-draft-watch-jackson-callow-tasmania-devils-allies/

https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/kaine-baldwin/

  On 03/02/2021 at 01:34, hemingway said:

Another injury to a highly remunerated player, without firing a shot. 

It does make you wonder. 

It seems that whenever a club goes after a highly ranked player there is a thought process influenced by past form/history, expectation, need, injury assessment and character. Perhaps desperation. However, it’s like any marketplace where the bidders become increasingly pressured to cut a deal. Like buying a house. In many cases, prospective buyers significantly exceed their budget because in the emotion of the auction , they not only want that house but they also don’t want someone else to get it. No of us like to be beaten. 

Rationality, common sense and a state of calm goes out the window. 

The footy field is littered with dead bodies, well at least injured bodies of well performed players who have still been courted by clubs throwing wads of cash at them. Like giving a car salesman top dollar for a lovely prestige European car with dodgy electrics. The car looks great, the buyer feels great but the car breaks down on a cruise down the road. 

I sometimes think that a club would be better off giving its conditions of hire to a broker who has no attachment to the result. Where there is no negotiation when the basic minimum standards cannot be met by the player. I know that’s crazy. But at the moment there is a disconnect when a club gets itself into a big mess by paying a player a huge salary before he has got to play a game.  If you are going to pay huge dollars you at least need a standard like a probationary employment clause that gives the player and club three months to meet the playing requirements. 

The appalling history of these trades suggest that a club is better off trying to develop young recruits and have a pay structure that allows them to be developed and paid accordingly. Because the problem is that a BB situation results in a salary cap issue and the salaries of other deserving players being compressed. And can lead to money and resources being wasted on a player that may never be right. 

There are players that recover from injuries and go on to become valuable players. But the risk is so much higher with a player that has a chronic injury. 

Best not to chase a player with a serious injury history or chronic injury. 

I was worried from day 1 Ernest. North made zero effort to keep him. Now I know there were things outside of his injury at North. But zero offer to stay. 

Let's hope it is minor and can be fixed.

  On 03/02/2021 at 01:34, hemingway said:

Another injury to a highly remunerated player, without firing a shot. 

It does make you wonder. 

It seems that whenever a club goes after a highly ranked player there is a thought process influenced by past form/history, expectation, need, injury assessment and character. Perhaps desperation. However, it’s like any marketplace where the bidders become increasingly pressured to cut a deal. Like buying a house. In many cases, prospective buyers significantly exceed their budget because in the emotion of the auction , they not only want that house but they also don’t want someone else to get it. No of us like to be beaten. 

Rationality, common sense and a state of calm goes out the window. 

The footy field is littered with dead bodies, well at least injured bodies of well performed players who have still been courted by clubs throwing wads of cash at them. Like giving a car salesman top dollar for a lovely prestige European car with dodgy electrics. The car looks great, the buyer feels great but the car breaks down on a cruise down the road. 

I sometimes think that a club would be better off giving its conditions of hire to a broker who has no attachment to the result. Where there is no negotiation when the basic minimum standards cannot be met by the player. I know that’s crazy. But at the moment there is a disconnect when a club gets itself into a big mess by paying a player a huge salary before he has got to play a game.  If you are going to pay huge dollars you at least need a standard like a probationary employment clause that gives the player and club three months to meet the playing requirements. 

The appalling history of these trades suggest that a club is better off trying to develop young recruits and have a pay structure that allows them to be developed and paid accordingly. Because the problem is that a BB situation results in a salary cap issue and the salaries of other deserving players being compressed. And can lead to money and resources being wasted on a player that may never be right. 

There are players that recover from injuries and go on to become valuable players. But the risk is so much higher with a player that has a chronic injury. 

Best not to chase a player with a serious injury history or chronic injury. 

on what basis do you make this assessment ?. Almost all players with a decent career get a major injury they have to deal with. at what stage are they no longer worthwhile?  would you have taken a 208 cm Max Gawn as a draftee after a knee reco, and knowing with hindsight he would have another one ? take an extreme example of a Bennell very badly injured and although he retired for other reasons he was in full training and playing footy. 

Hawks took on Brian Lake littered with injuries and he was critical to winning premierships for them. Tom Lynch with an injury cloud when he arrived at the tigers. 

hindsight with Ben Brown going down is a wonderful thing. 

We now have $2M plus of annual salary cap (Viney, Brown and T Mac) in the question mark basket.

Not desperation stakes as yet but worrying.

 

I'm not alarmed.  

Brown came to the club right before Christmas and has resumed training through January. It's very reasonable to see how his knee goes over this period with load ramping up as a test before taking action.  Now there's an issue to examine and deal with one way or another - let's wait and see what the path is. 

It seems to me that the club has approached this reasonably.

I feel like the mood of this thread is somewhat an impact of the club training in Timbuktoo. We used to have a lot more DL intel from Gosch's training sessions, providing multiple sources of substance to allow more informed opinions. Now MFCSS is running rampant. 

  On 03/02/2021 at 01:59, Diamond_Jim said:

We now have $2M plus of annual salary cap (Viney, Brown and T Mac) in the question mark basket.

Not desperation stakes as yet but worrying.

 

Don't forget Brayshaw and Oliver with post-season operations - start panicking now so you can beat the rush.

  On 03/02/2021 at 01:34, hemingway said:

There are players that recover from injuries and go on to become valuable players. But the risk is so much higher with a player that has a chronic injury. 

Best not to chase a player with a serious injury history or chronic injury. 

Brown has played 22 games a season for 5 consecutive seasons until 2020. His injury history includes nothing chronic or serious.

Let's see what the doctor's say on thursday.

  On 03/02/2021 at 00:32, dazzledavey36 said:

This.

Do it with my right shoulder. Felt like I went into games confident that the strapping kept it more stable after an injury many years ago.

Haven't had an issue ever since now that I get it taped each game. But yet according to @DeeSpencer I shouldn't have been training all this time ?‍♂️

I have to assume you’ve also got access to the best surgeons, physios, doctors, a renowned strength and conditioning coach and 40 hours a week full time to rehab? Definitely the same situation.

It wasn’t just a precautionary job on Brown’s knee either, they clearly had the who medial side supported. You might do that to get a guy through a finals series, not trainings in January. 

Does anyone actually believe the club didn't thoroughly get him checked out before signing?

  On 03/02/2021 at 02:07, Little Goffy said:

Brown has played 22 games a season for 5 consecutive seasons until 2020. His injury history includes nothing chronic or serious.

Let's see what the doctor's say on thursday.

today (wednesday) according to this press release, not thursday

  On 03/02/2021 at 00:43, SPC said:

What are we going to do then....?

Use our depth players

2 of Weid, TMac and M Brown as tall options

Fritch as medium with Petracca rotating through.

Tidy up our I50 delivery to give the forwards a better chance to mark will help

I’ll be as disappointed as anymore if BB is out but this is why you have cover.

Edited February 3, 20214 yr by Better days ahead
Forgot to mention Jackson as well so plenty of cover

  On 03/02/2021 at 02:10, loges said:

Does anyone actually believe the club didn't thoroughly get him checked out before signing?

Agree loges. Geez we can jump to conclusions quickly. 

Wasn't long ago that a large proportion on here rated May's recruitment a flop because he came to us not in pristine condition,  schooner gate,  and early injury.

If it becomes a Mitch Clarke type scenario then sure rant away all and sundry but let's just cool our jets a little. 

  On 03/02/2021 at 01:58, Bay Riffin said:

on what basis do you make this assessment ?. Almost all players with a decent career get a major injury they have to deal with. at what stage are they no longer worthwhile?  would you have taken a 208 cm Max Gawn as a draftee after a knee reco, and knowing with hindsight he would have another one ? take an extreme example of a Bennell very badly injured and although he retired for other reasons he was in full training and playing footy. 

Hawks took on Brian Lake littered with injuries and he was critical to winning premierships for them. Tom Lynch with an injury cloud when he arrived at the tigers. 

hindsight with Ben Brown going down is a wonderful thing. 

Fair enough. There are players on both sides of the ledger that support or don’t support your argument. Gawn is an interesting one, and, no, I probably would not have taken him  However, selecting him was a risk. There is risk, injury management and luck.  I would always prefer a player or recruit that does not come with a track record of injury. Just like I would prefer to buy a house or car without any structural or mechanical problems. So it includes an assessment of risk and a decision concerning how much you are prepared to pay for that player. And perhaps, clubs should have more stringent requirements to ensure that they are getting value for money. 

As to BB, at time of selection, j was just as concerned about his suitability as per our team structure and game plan as I was about his knee. 

I know nothing really but these are some of my musings. 

  On 03/02/2021 at 02:30, Hell Bent said:

Agree loges. Geez we can jump to conclusions quickly. 

Wasn't long ago that a large proportion on here rated May's recruitment a flop because he came to us not in pristine condition,  schooner gate,  and early injury.

If it becomes a Mitch Clarke type scenario then sure rant away all and sundry but let's just cool our jets a little. 

Particularly since it seems he's been in full training up until now. Obviously it's not settling after load as they would like so it's getting checked. Doesn't mean it's the end of the world.

This one is less of a concern than the Viney foot injury. Brown has been very durable and only suffered knee problems for the first time last year. He’s played all matches in a season 5 times out of 7 since debut.

Viney has missed tons of matches through ongoing foot injury. He’s only played a full season once out of 8 due to injury!

Browns injury sounds like a bit of swelling while adjusting to full load again after a layoff. Not panic stations yet. Vineys is a big concern and hopefully he doesn’t miss more matches to that foot problem.

  On 03/02/2021 at 02:30, Hell Bent said:

Agree loges. Geez we can jump to conclusions quickly. 

Wasn't long ago that a large proportion on here rated May's recruitment a flop because he came to us not in pristine condition,  schooner gate,  and early injury.

If it becomes a Mitch Clarke type scenario then sure rant away all and sundry but let's just cool our jets a little. 

Spot on HB. Most on here were singing the club's and BB's praises when we got him and now with a bit of fluid on knee they all panic and say WHY did we get him. Hard to work it out. Take it easy all  and hope that the outcome is good and away we go with a potent forward line.

  On 03/02/2021 at 02:49, Lord Travis said:

This one is less of a concern than the Viney foot injury. Brown has been very durable and only suffered knee problems for the first time last year. He’s played all matches in a season 5 times out of 7 since debut.

Viney has missed tons of matches through ongoing foot injury. He’s only played a full season once out of 8 due to injury!

Browns injury sounds like a bit of swelling while adjusting to full load again after a layoff. Not panic stations yet. Vineys is a big concern and hopefully he doesn’t miss more matches to that foot problem.

The fact the club are sending him to a top knee surgeon would tend to suggest otherwise. If it were just a case of some swelling from overuse I am sure the club physios could manage that