Patton allegations

[58er 6,387]

8 hours ago, dl4e said:

In other words Hawthorn have sent him there to make out they are doing something about it.

Sorry dl4e this has moved on from the coverup or offhanded comment.
 

When it is a possible/probable matter of mental health understanding and respect are virtues best Shown.

And understanding for a fellow human being who would  be feeling this tough situation searching for an Uplifting as possible outcome from a pretty much public glare.

[dazzledavey36 54,248]

He's been doing it for years so i don't have sympathy for him. Its disgusting behaviour especially some of the content that he was displaying.

 

Glad he's been finally caught. Lesson for young footballers all around the country, you're not invincible. 

 

Edited January 13, 2021 by dazzledavey36

[TRIGON 4,783]

10 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

I’ve had my fair share of mental health problems. I take meds everyday that really work for me, but I’ve also ended up in hospital from being in some fairly scary places inside my own head. I’m very upfront about it to anybody, as aside from being a Melbourne supporter, I appear to be a fairly well adjusted, well mannered and ‘in control’ person.

I absolutely loathe the confusion that these kind of situations create for the general pubic around mental health issues. It really does come across, as others have noted, as a ‘card played’. I know for a fact that this has been the case in the AFL in regards to recreational drug issues in the passed. If it truly is the case that a player is having a mental health crisis then the AFLPA needs to have an agreement with the media that it doesn’t get reported on. It’s a better outcome for the player involved, and much better for the community - who can understand mental health problems as diverse and unique, but not feel like they are just a PR stunt. 

Great and personally courageous post. Sadly the mental health crisis 'card played' to avoid recreational drug use or to excuse general poor behaviour by AFL players promotes cynicism, which is understandable. As outsiders, it's hard for us supporters to know what's genuine and what's a cover up. My concern is that the way things are currently handled and reported on may further stigmatise those with genuine mental health issues.

[hemingway 7,615]

Uncomfortable commenting on this matter or any other like issue where opinion is influenced by moral judgement and the colour of a players jumper. 

The guy obviously has problems that need to be addressed. 

For me, it’s more about what happened and how it is dealt with by the player, club and AFL. Do you treat it as a health issue or a civil or criminal issue.? 

This is a difficult area for the club and the AFL. 

Like taking illicit drugs, how do you deal with it in a fair and balanced way, given the public shaming involved ?

Are there strict clauses in a players contract ?  If not, should there be?

And what the consequences for the player for his actions. 

[dees189227 12,371]

Welcome to playing footy in Melbourne Jonathan where nothing is kept secret. Would have no idea if he has done this stuff in the past and got away with it but maybe it's a good thing he's been called out on this.

Maybe he does need help but I hate the way they play the mental health card. We are seeing people who commit crimes play the mental health card and now him. 

Hopefully he sorts himself out and gets back on the field because the way his career is going he will be remembered for his off field work. 

[Neil Crompton 5,476]

3 hours ago, 58er said:

Sorry dl4e this has moved on from the coverup or offhanded comment.
 

When it is a possible/probable matter of mental health understanding and respect are virtues best Shown.

And understanding for a fellow human being who would  be feeling this tough situation searching for an Uplifting as possible outcome from a pretty much public glare.

Sorry but I disagree 58er.

What most posters on here have done is condemned the act - ie what he did - and what he did on a number of occasions was despicable, and so this act(s) should be called out for what it is. This condemnation would be applied to anyone who did the same thing.

Why he did it is a different matter.  If he does have mental health issues then of course I hope he gets the treatment he needs. And anyone with mental health issues deserves our "understanding".

But we should not be silent on this issue at all just because the mental health card has been raised. We should continue to call out and condemn this type of act in an effort to highlight and acknowledge the standards we expect. The perpetrator is irrelevant. Its the act that is condemned.

[NeveroddoreveN 1,034]

i think a lot of you seem to be looking at through your own moralistic stances, which is fine!.  Most normal humans are going to condemn this type of behaviour. To infer that JP had mental health issues before all this smut came out would be somewhat right.  I mean the text messages are as damning as the pictures he sent...Does he have a coke issue?  If he does it is likely that he has some mental issues.  

The main point though is after the event.  He got called out on front of national papers, following day it was more girls verifying he is a serial offender.  Hawthorn told JP to stay away from training as they did not want the circus with media.  There would have been discussions that they will go through the due process, but your career as an AFL player is on severe tenderhooks.  I would say his career is done and dusted and he is wondering how he fell so fast, his head would be spinning ,a trip to the mental health ward may be not a card played but more fallout due to hugely stressful circumstances.

Not condoning the acts at all but the fallout would be real for any human facing similar circumstances.

[58er 6,387]

2 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

Sorry but I disagree 58er.

What most posters on here have done is condemned the act - ie what he did - and what he did on a number of occasions was despicable, and so this act(s) should be called out for what it is. This condemnation would be applied to anyone who did the same thing.

Why he did it is a different matter.  If he does have mental health issues then of course I hope he gets the treatment he needs. And anyone with mental health issues deserves our "understanding".

But we should not be silent on this issue at all just because the mental health card has been raised. We should continue to call out and condemn this type of act in an effort to highlight and acknowledge the standards we expect. The perpetrator is irrelevant. Its the act that is condemned.

NC what I disagreed about with dl4e's comments was that Hawthorn only sent him to Hospital as a coverup to any action.

My point was that once the Mental health  issue was involved most cases are for obvious reasons Not highlighted or Are considered more respectfully.

Thst was my point and In no way do I agree  with any if his alleged actions as tolerable and law abiding but the WHY is the most important reason for silence as respect fir the issues that may be the reason.

The "coverup " for no action that dl4e suggested in Hawthorn sending JP to hospital was completely out of Order in the circumstances.

The AFL are also involved and  it should be a given that the investigation is allowed to be full open Nd all embracing not putting any more pressure than he has already Been through media and public scrutiny etc.

Yes you incur that if you do acts like The alleged but if agsin the mental health issue is in any Way involved it's time  for 
the WHY to be prioritised snd investigated by relevant parties,

And the perpetrator has been condemned roundly fir this act by 80% or more by D/L ers for the act.which the whole footy world is aware of also.

 

 

[Lucifers Hero 39,577]

I'm inclined to think the concerns for Patton's mental health are genuine.  Sure the 'mental health card' is often played to escape scrutiny or buy time and players 'take a break from football'. 

This is different.  Patton is in hospital.  If the concerns were not genuine he wouldn't be there. 

It has been a humiliating week for him, played out in public and he has been stood down from his job.  The mental health concerns don't exonerate him from his actions or the consequences but it is easy to understand that he would be in a very fragile place. 

[Grr-owl 1,208]

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Edited January 14, 2021 by Grr-owl

[58er 6,387]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm inclined to think the concerns for Patton's mental health are genuine.  Sure the 'mental health card' is often played to escape scrutiny or buy time and players 'take a break from football'. 

This is different.  Patton is in hospital.  If the concerns were not genuine he wouldn't be there. 

It has been a humiliating week for him, played out in public and he has been stood down from his job.  The mental health concerns don't exonerate him from his actions or the consequences but it is easy to understand that he would be in a very fragile place. 

Very good post Luci 

[Willmoy1947 4,081]

On 1/12/2021 at 7:20 AM, Lucifer's Hero said:

If he was 'flashing' himself in real life he would be charged with 'indecent exposure'.  Do it often enough to the same person and there would be an IVO on him.  Unsolicited indecent exposure on the internet should still be a crime .

On some reports this has been constant behaviour by him for a long time.  It sounds really gross.

Apparently he has deleted his social media accounts.  Not sure if this means his shenanigans cannot be traced.  Or if the Hawks 'integrity' investigation would even be willing to check the trail with the internet platforms.  All to convenient.  I can see a result of not enough evidence, some counselling and all move on. 

The AFL would certainly be pushing for a sweep-it-under-the-carpet.  That seems to be the result of many complaints/issues even when police are involved.

If a white-wash is the result it is terrible standard setting by the Hawks and the AFL. 

Kennett and the pack dogs.

[Jaded No More 68,867]

A memo to all males: your penis is for function not form. Nobody cares to see it with the flash on but you. 

[DeeSpencer 25,445]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm inclined to think the concerns for Patton's mental health are genuine.  Sure the 'mental health card' is often played to escape scrutiny or buy time and players 'take a break from football'. 

This is different.  Patton is in hospital.  If the concerns were not genuine he wouldn't be there. 

It has been a humiliating week for him, played out in public and he has been stood down from his job.  The mental health concerns don't exonerate him from his actions or the consequences but it is easy to understand that he would be in a very fragile place. 

It's not entirely foolproof, as long as there's a doctor who will admit you and the insurance will pay the bills private psych will gladly take patients...but in the balance of things I do very much agree.

Even private psych hospitals aren't nice places to be in and it's very unlikely someone would go through that effort.

I hope he makes it through this, mostly because I don't think what he's done is so bad to completely cost him his career and ruin his reputation to the stage that it's beyond repair. That's not saying it's not bad, just not so bad as to not deserve a second chance.

But apart from that I hope instead of criticising AFL players or anyone else for so called playing the mental health card I'd like to see the message spread further about asking for help. Mens mental health is the biggest threat to men and women and I find it hard to believe that Patton was purely just doing the wrong thing for the thrill of it. I wish that the next guy out there thinking of doing the same thing isn't just reminded of the potential punishment but is told to get help.

 

[Cranky Franky 2,031]

20 hours ago, bing181 said:

It's because of attitudes like this that people drive their cars into trees rather than confront the reality and seriousness of mental illness and get the help they need.

Thats a cheap shot - pure speculation as you have no evidence at all.  It seems a fact now that people who get caught out invariably play the mental health card so now its hard to work out who is actually telling the truth.

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[Biffen 12,940]

45 minutes ago, Jaded said:

A memo to all males: your penis is for function not form. Nobody cares to see it with the flash on but you. 

Sad but true.

2 hours ago, Grr-owl said:

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Wise words

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,352]

In what might be deemed a stroke of good fortune he is now seen as sufficiently flawed enough to be on Collingwood's radar. 

[McQueen 17,864]

23 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

No I haven't.

I've pointed out there's serious issues here and the Demonland commentary has revolved around smutty jokes and now apparently pathetic name calling.

Grow up.

I haven’t called you a name - I’ve described you. 
Patton is probably suffering from huge anxiety right now but if he didn’t do what he did everything would be oxy and he’d be fine. 
Don’t turn it into a sympathy vote for anyone concerned. 
I do realise that pragmatism isn’t a virtue you’re familiar with. 

[FlashInThePan 1,893]

On 1/11/2021 at 11:40 PM, CBDees said:

What on earth motivated her to give him her phone number? ? What was she hoping to receive from him? 

A phone call?  I don’t normally bother getting on my high horse but seriously, WTF?! Are you trying to suggest that if a girl gives a guy her phone number she is just getting what she deserves if he sends her pictures of himself jerking off?

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

45 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I haven’t called you a name - I’ve described you. 
Patton is probably suffering from huge anxiety right now but if he didn’t do what he did everything would be oxy and he’d be fine. 
Don’t turn it into a sympathy vote for anyone concerned. 
I do realise that pragmatism isn’t a virtue you’re familiar with. 

More sniping. Really mature.

Nowhere did I turn it into a "sympathy vote". Nowhere did I defend Patton or his actions. You have imagined these things for yourself and decided to prescribe them to me.

"Pragmatism"? You're kidding right? I made a post describing the factual elements of the whole story, you decided it means something it didn't and started attacking with childish insults.

Grow up.

[Pates 9,659]

6 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm inclined to think the concerns for Patton's mental health are genuine.  Sure the 'mental health card' is often played to escape scrutiny or buy time and players 'take a break from football'. 

This is different.  Patton is in hospital.  If the concerns were not genuine he wouldn't be there. 

It has been a humiliating week for him, played out in public and he has been stood down from his job.  The mental health concerns don't exonerate him from his actions or the consequences but it is easy to understand that he would be in a very fragile place. 

I think your last line is probably the big one, I wouldn’t necessarily buy the idea of him blaming the incidents on mental health, but certainly the week he’s been through would weigh heavily on anyone. It stands to reason that he’d go into a depressive spiral with his shameful actions being played out in the media as one of the leading stories on news outlets and papers. 

Importantly it doesn’t condone his behaviour but I think it should be a signal for the media to back down a little and let the investigations run their course. It could also trigger a number of other women to come forward on other players doing similar things. 

[Left Foot Snap 2,384]

3 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

Yes, what I posted are all facts.

Honestly, the pathetic attempts at points scoring on Demonland are embarrassing.

Never considered Bitter as a point scorer. I always found him quite balanced. 

[Lucifers Hero 39,577]

11 hours ago, Pates said:

I think your last line is probably the big one, I wouldn’t necessarily buy the idea of him blaming the incidents on mental health, but certainly the week he’s been through would weigh heavily on anyone. It stands to reason that he’d go into a depressive spiral with his shameful actions being played out in the media as one of the leading stories on news outlets and papers. 

Importantly it doesn’t condone his behaviour but I think it should be a signal for the media to back down a little and let the investigations run their course. It could also trigger a number of other women to come forward on other players doing similar things. 

I assume it is the HS that has been headline chasing?   I don't read it nor watch TV news so I can't tell how much of a witch hunt has been happening.  The football media websites I read (The Age, AFL, Fox) have been quite low key.  Sadly, I saw a regional news report of Patton going to hospital with the Lifeline and Beyond Blue numbers at the bottom of the article.  So I suspect all media will now pull their heads in - terrible that it takes admission to hospital for mental health concerns for them to do that.

I agree any media that has been playing this story up needs to back down.  No matter what someone has done there is no room for media persecution.  His alleged actions are creepy and gross but there are processes to deal with them in the AFL and if necessary the law. 

Hope he gets well soon and has the courage to put these episodes behind him and get on with his life both football and in general. 

[Dr.D 1,771]

I think it's all a bit of a storm in a tea cup. So the guy is sexting? The girl was still wanting to see him despite his messages anyway so how offended was she? He said, come to Melb and I'll do this and that to you and I'll pay you if I need to, and she said 'im not an escort, but I'll see you when you covid has cleared'. I understand that for a footy club in 2021 its not a good look with it being revealed but I'd say screenshotting someone's private conversations/photos and shaming them publicly for the nation to see is far worse than anything he has done.  Sure she's calling it out, but she's calling it out publicly. If she wanted to call it out then the proper way would be to go to the police if she feels harassed or send it to the footy club directly. There's no need to shame him in front of the country over conversations which whilst lewd weren't all that bad. 

[Jaded No More 68,867]

13 hours ago, FlashInThePan said:

A phone call?  I don’t normally bother getting on my high horse but seriously, WTF?! Are you trying to suggest that if a girl gives a guy her phone number she is just getting what she deserves if he sends her pictures of himself jerking off?

 

Yep, this is exactly what is wrong with our society. This assumptions that girls are forever 'asking for it', if they choose to wear tight clothes, go out to a bar or heaven forbid, give a guy their number. Women are not allowed to exist without some [censored] assuming they are up for it. 

FFS unless these women specifically said "hey Jon, can I get some nudes", they were not 'asking' for it and it was an aggressively sexually inappropriate thing to do. It might be shocking to men to find out that women may actually care to get to know a guy and not their [censored] first.