Preuss needs to be traded for a player, ask GWS about Himmelburg, might cost us a pick as well GWS will need 3rd 4th round picks for points.  

If someone puts a good offer to us, I'd be happy for us to consider it.

I have no issue with Jackson being our back up ruckman. He can play forward when Gawn plays and if we need a different number 1 ruck, we can shift Jackson into that role.

In saying all this, it's all about the offer. I'm absolutely 100% against letting Preuss go with two years to run on his contract for a third round pick. We have all the power in any deal. If someone wants him, make it impossible for us to refuse.

51 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We need a back up for Max who can also kick goals up forward

His name is Luke Jackson

You can probably guess my position on this. Good move. If Max goes down, we'll be able to cover. 

This could help us land a pick that might prize a Saad from Essendon.

12 minutes ago, adonski said:

It’s not about what a player is worth in the general sense, or what’s fair. It’s about what a player is worth to the club they’re going to. Preuss is worth more to GWS, than to other clubs for example, so there’d be more substantial an offer from the Giants.

Exactly what I was getting at.

He's contracted for another two years, we don't have to trade him.

They need a first ruck then you've got to pay, simple as that.

20 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

An early 2nd rd pick for a player who is very limited and only played a handful games in 2 years?  Late 2nd or early 3rd I’d say is fair value.  

No way I'd accept a late second for him.

You're missing the point that he is contracted for 2 years and we don't have to trade him.

GWS have Mumford as their main ruck, that is not sustainable.

They also have a plethora of midfielders.

We need to use this to our advantage and if they don't want to play ball then walk away.

He is definitely an AFL standard ruckman, and now he is fit enough should be first ruck in a team somewhere. He would have to be considering where and how he can now make it happen. Probably Sydney or GWS but 

We can't give him away for some obscure third round pick, or some trade for middle second round draft position - we have to get value for him considering we have put 2 years of coaching and finances into him.

I would be looking for a draft position + player trade, and the player would need to fill a specific gap in our list.

44 minutes ago, 4_Kent_Watts said:

Your not wrong he can't do both either. 

An he never dun nuffin neeva.

24 minutes ago, adonski said:

It’s not about what a player is worth in the general sense, or what’s fair. It’s about what a player is worth to the club they’re going to. Preuss is worth more to GWS, than to other clubs for example, so there’d be more substantial an offer from the Giants.

Demand. 
if other Clubs want a Tall Ruckmen he is worth good numbers 

13 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

His name is Luke Jackson

Still a Baby. He has get bigger and stronger yet. Don’t want to ruin a special talent

Preuss has one year to run on his contract.

We don't have a history of driving a hard bargain.  It is more of the honest broker who gets a deal done.

So don't be surprised if we don't get that 2nd round pick.

Pruess is too one-dimensional. we need a back-up ruck who can at least play fwd a bit.

We should get a second rounder for him.  then trade in a young ruckman with a few preseasons under his belt, from a club with a surplus. or look to the VFL etc for a back up ruck and we come out on top trade wise.

Also I wouldn't read too much into the club being open to offers for a player. 

At least half our list would be in that bracket

Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

Preuss has one year to run on his contract.

We don't have a history of driving a hard bargain.  It is more of the honest broker who gets a deal done.

So don't be surprised if we don't get that 2nd round pick.

Agree.

I immediately thought it would be a 3rd.

If you get a second rounder for him, then do it. I dont think he is that great to be honest.. but he fits the need for some clubs. No reason why with pick 67 we couldnt draft a big developed ruckman from state side who can be cheap and provide some depth.. there are so many out there.. Oscar McInerney was right under our eyes.. so thats what we do.

If nothing else if Max goes down our midfield coaches have had 5 years of watching the opposition set up to lose the hit outs. I’d imagine we know how it’s done.

We can cover it with innovative thinking, so let’s get a ready made outside player for him while we can.

1 hour ago, Better days ahead said:

Tomlinson, weid and Jackson can pinch hit. Not sure where Bradtke is at.

I think this is the year to trade him to maximise the return. Giants and Swans are pretty desperate for a ruckman and Pruess is by far the best back-up in the comp. they don’t grow on trees so I’d drive a hard bargain. Swans have pick 22. I’d aim for that.

At 25 years old, and only two part-seasons into his Aussie Rules (from Rugby) try-out, I'd reckon that Preuss is going to get much better at footy than perhaps he is given credit for - adding to the current skillset the consideration that in the previous between-season sessions he made enormous progress from that with which he joined the MFC. To my mind, he'd do it again and get more opportunities to ruck more regularly in games now that Max is additionally ageing an starting to seriously require some chop-out time into the footy season proper. Plus, Max is literally bashed game in, game out and the umpires are somehow blind to this anomaly so skilled chop-out time is going to be a must for the MFC rucking department.  There are also other promising signs from the big fella (the Beast, that is) with forward line screening and pack busting, with marking and of course, his kicking both in set shots for goal and those 'on the run' - he is a very good kick and will improve in this regard, as well. The fulcrum in this hope to retain Preuss is that the Weed has not progressed and is not likely to lift his near-future skillset very far - and this has been a problem for at least four years.

I'd keep Preuss, there are others than could be traded to advantage in areas of team/role congestion amongst players.  

40 minutes ago, Action Jackson said:

No way I'd accept a late second for him.

You're missing the point that he is contracted for 2 years and we don't have to trade him.

GWS have Mumford as their main ruck, that is not sustainable.

They also have a plethora of midfielders.

We need to use this to our advantage and if they don't want to play ball then walk away.

Don't have to trade him but is there much point keeping a player on an inflated salary that will just be sitting in the 2s unless Gawn gets injured? I'd rather have a late second rounder/third round than have someone eat cap space and be worth nothing in 2 years. 

Watching this year, a dominant centre ruckman has not had the same impact across most clubs (Another connection we need to fix) compared to previous years.  But they ruckman get banged up pretty bad, the shorter breaks may be a factor in their decline in impact.

GWS seems the obvious suitor as they need a semi decent ruck, as their two have really failed this year.  

Happy to keep him, but suited only to rucking on the field.  I guess they see Tomlinson as a possible backup since he hasn't flourished on the wing.   Or we can pluck a mature age one from a league somewhere with a late pick. 

 

 

 

I am not a great fan of the classic ruckman. Few teams can afford to carry more than one and they can be found relatively easily. 

The idea of "growing" a ruckman such as Bradtke is very old school.

If some other team offers Preuss senior game time so be it.

Third rounder is the best I would expect.

LJ's play below his knees iswhat excites me.... Ruck work comes a distant second

Finally MFC has since Jeff White always had a dominant ruckman but it has not got us far in most years. (White, Stynes, Jarman, Gawn etc)

I think part of this is probably that Preuss wants game time and so the club is checking what they could get for him as a matter of due diligence.

The reality is if we trade both Preuss and TMac we are leaving ourselves exposed for talls. Sure neither has set the world on fire in the role we really need to fill, that of tall key position forward, but we were relatively lucky for injuries this season, I’d be very worried if the only tall forwards on our list were Weideman, Jackson and Brown. That leaves us very thin on the ground should one of them get injured or if Gawn goes down. 
 

From a list perspective we need a tall forward anyway, trade both Preuss and TMac and you really need to be bringing in at least 2 talls, at least one of whom can play ruck. 
If we trade both Preuss and TMac and don’t get talls in one long term injury to Gawn, Weideman or Jackson and it’s curtains for 2021. 

We can’t leave ourselves that exposed. This deal only gets done if we can find a way to get a Cameron type forward.

12 minutes ago, deejammin' said:

I think part of this is probably that Preuss wants game time and so the club is checking what they could get for him as a matter of due diligence.

The reality is if we trade both Preuss and TMac we are leaving ourselves exposed for talls. Sure neither has set the world on fire in the role we really need to fill, that of tall key position forward, but we were relatively lucky for injuries this season, I’d be very worried if the only tall forwards on our list were Weideman, Jackson and Brown. That leaves us very thin on the ground should one of them get injured or if Gawn goes down. 
 

From a list perspective we need a tall forward anyway, trade both Preuss and TMac and you really need to be bringing in at least 2 talls, at least one of whom can play ruck. 
If we trade both Preuss and TMac and don’t get talls in one long term injury to Gawn, Weideman or Jackson and it’s curtains for 2021. 

We can’t leave ourselves that exposed. This deal only gets done if we can find a way to get a Cameron type forward.

I presume a Cameron type forward means Jeremy Cameron himself?

1 minute ago, Engorged Onion said:

I presume a Cameron type forward means Jeremy Cameron himself?

I mean, if we could do that it’d be pretty amazing. Obviously I don’t think we’d be able to trade Preuss for him, but from a whole list perspective if we could trade TMac, Preuss and bring in Cameron and draft a young tall we’d be going well. I’d say it’s more likely we bring in a different less high profile tall forward as everyone is saying Cameron is involved with Geelong. 
My main point was just if it looks like we will end the trade period not being able to bring in at least one tall for T Mac then I don’t think we should trade Preuss. Unless someone offered something ridiculous of course. We really need talls on our list and while Jackson is great it’s too much to ask a second year player to be both the number 2 key position forward AND back up ruck.

2 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

A very strange reason to bring a player in.

Not looking globally, it is a massive trend with middle to lower tier soccer, NHL, MLB clubs where they look to get young/undervalued/developing players on the books. Develop them for a time period and then offload them at a profit, whether that is financial or draft picks/player trade value. Its a business model.

I'm sure he was brought in as a back up, they now see he probably has more value as a trade and are exploring it. Good thinking by the club.

42 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

If you get a second rounder for him, then do it. I dont think he is that great to be honest.. but he fits the need for some clubs. No reason why with pick 67 we couldnt draft a big developed ruckman from state side who can be cheap and provide some depth.. there are so many out there.. Oscar McInerney was right under our eyes.. so thats what we do.

Economics 1a would seem to be the decider of the appropriate price.