4 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

What are the rumours? Enlighten us all. There is that much stuff made up about players at this time of year, so why not just spell it out? Is it that you think he is coming back to the city of Melbourne 

No, no, I am just noting that there has never been a time when there have not been rumours about Jesse Hogan.  I know nothing and, I expect, that's as much as almost anyone else!

6 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

I know nothing and, I expect, that's as much as almost anyone else!

No, I know less.

Someone present some whispers - real or fake I don't care at this point!

 

7 minutes ago, adonski said:

Someone present some whispers - real or fake I don't care at this point!

 

Brayshaw is on the table 

Firm mail

And I think we'll be chasing a draft place over a player... (my view not the mail)

Edited September 26, 20204 yr by Graeme Yeats' Mullet

Did some thinking about the Preuss rumors linking him to Sydney and GWS.

Based on the draft order as is, both these deals rank Preuss in 'pick terms' as a value of pick 35 which i think is fair.

Which would you rather and give us the best platform to bring in what we need.

Equation 1, out: Preuss, P47  in: P22

Equation 2, out: Preuss, P47 in: P39, P46, P66 

Tools used: draft order and draft guru pick calculator.

 

6 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

Did some thinking about the Preuss rumors linking him to Sydney and GWS.

Based on the draft order as is, both these deals rank Preuss in 'pick terms' as a value of pick 35 which i think is fair.

Which would you rather and give us the best platform to bring in what we need.

Equation 1, out: Preuss, P47  in: P22

Equation 2, out: Preuss, P47 in: P39, P46, P66 

Tools used: draft order and draft guru pick calculator.

 

depends what you can then parlay for a higher pick, so i'd probably say equation 2 as it gives you future trading options - i'm particularly keen on the first rounders this year for gw$ and footscray, and next year for the filth

they'll want to move them to maximise points; gw$ are already in deficit and i presume they've got another dodgy academy selection in 2020?

i think it's important that all trade periods are looked at in a totality in terms of what you bring in because under the afl's system you must spend beyond 95% and up to 105% of your cap

last year for instance i think we traded out the 2021 first plus frost and it effectively netted us jackson, pickett, langdon, and tomlinson - i'd say four automatic selections as part of our best squad of 26 players

i'd be pretty okay with the outcome this year if we could somehow work it that we were losing brayshaw, t mac, preuss, hawks' pick 22 and bringing in saad, polec, and one of sideshow bob or hogan (preferably the latter) or two of those plus being back into the first round this season or with an extra first rounder next year

25 minutes ago, adonski said:

Someone present some whispers - real or fake I don't care at this point!

 

Demons are into Ben Ronke as part of deal for Preuss.

4 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Joe Daniher ??

Alex Witherden Lions. ✅

Jared Polec Kangas  ?

Ben Brown Kangas ?

Quinton Narkle. Cats  ?

Isaac Cumming  Giants. ? 

 Joe Daniher ?? - more worth a crack than Hogan or Brown

 Alex Witherden Lions. ✅ - Yes please

 Jared Polec Kangas  ? - North would have to pay us for me to accept this

 Ben Brown Kangas ? - Would be fine with it, but think Daniher more worth a crack

 Quinton Narkle. Cats  ? - Who?

Isaac Cumming  Giants. ?  - Wouldn't get ahead of Rivers or Salem at HB. Rather Witherden.

1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

Demons are into Ben Ronke as part of deal for Preuss.

I hope that's fake! Yuck

So far the club have delisted 3 players, unlike some others that have cast many off.This will barely cover the downsizing of the list so more will probably go but 2 retirement candidates still have a year to run ( KK & Jetta) on their contracts. Lockhart would be positioned to come of the rookie list for a permanent spot

Petty, if fit is the missing extra tall up forward or back we had hoped to step up this year. Brown should be retained as both are a better long term prospect than sticking with Oscar. Other movement may come from others wanting better opportunity elsewhere but they will hopefully draw extra draft spots. I believe we will be quiet this year having gone hard last year to get Jackson, Picket and Rivers. I cannot believe this wanting to get rid of Sparrow, he has 2 years in the system with lots of injuries. He has a lot of upside and can run and gun.

RE what we need, the only hint the club have given is Goody identified more outside run. The target should be someone who has the talent but cannot get a regular game. We want role players and disciplined team players as superstars cost too much. I like Phillips the wingman at Collingwood, he is quick and a raking left foot kick and probably being forced out. The 2 GWS boys who may miss out in the money squeeze. Saad would be good but I think he wants a long contract on big coin. The Swans were masters at this and the Josh kennedy type of deal and player is what I think we need. Ronke has been suggested and that is an excellent idea as is Witherden

Minimal list changes on top of what we have done. Trade out those who want to leave and not make wholesale changes

 

36 minutes ago, Older demon said:

RE what we need, the only hint the club have given is Goody identified more outside run.

nah, he said 'forward of centre' as the area of focus in the off-season in the last press conference

21 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

nah, he said 'forward of centre' as the area of focus in the off-season in the last press conference

Forward of centre includes outside run I would have thought.

2 hours ago, A F said:

Forward of centre includes outside run I would have thought.

yeah okay, not how i interpreted it

Suns open to Will Brodie being traded. Can play inside, but can also play forward. Mitch Wallis-like role is what is suggested in AFL article. Not our greatest need, but interesting nonetheless 

5 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

Demons are into Ben Ronke as part of deal for Preuss.

 

4 hours ago, Roger Mellie said:

I hope that's fake! Yuck

Yeah let's hope so. Not rated by 3 die hard Swans fans I know.

No thanks .

10 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Joe Daniher ??

Alex Witherden Lions. ✅

Jared Polec Kangas  ?

Ben Brown Kangas ?

Quinton Narkle. Cats  ?

Isaac Cumming  Giants. ? 

my take

Joe Daniher ??  -- wouldnt touch, injury prone, wants ridiculous money and wasnt interested when fit

Alex Witherden Lions. ✅  -- would fill a need, at a good price, fits age demographic

Jared Polec Kangas  ? -- north will pay lots, still young enough, fits a need

Ben Brown Kangas ? -- only on a mitch brown-esque deal, doesnt offer a different style of forward to weid (goalsquare type)

Quinton Narkle. Cats  ? - upgrade on current high HF options + younger, needs consistent opportunity to prove worth

Isaac Cumming  Giants. ?  - cheap, gives good depth/competition for future, proven moreso than potential draftee at same value

 

2 hours ago, Turner said:

my take

Joe Daniher ??  -- wouldnt touch, injury prone, wants ridiculous money and wasnt interested when fit

Alex Witherden Lions. ✅  -- would fill a need, at a good price, fits age demographic

Jared Polec Kangas  ? -- north will pay lots, still young enough, fits a need

Ben Brown Kangas ? -- only on a mitch brown-esque deal, doesnt offer a different style of forward to weid (goalsquare type)

Quinton Narkle. Cats  ? - upgrade on current high HF options + younger, needs consistent opportunity to prove worth

Isaac Cumming  Giants. ?  - cheap, gives good depth/competition for future, proven moreso than potential draftee at same value

 

Good list would add Saad and Will Brodie from Suns as a real gun is a top 10 pick not playing in Suns 22 best and they are realistic re his desire to play in AFL

Withenden wouldn't be my choice not on ability but Lockhart  is his clone in the back pocket so Saad fits the running bill of HB. Polec similarly on the non Ed L wing. Brodie is a HB Centre or mid is young and  Woul be a great top up fir Harmes if he doesn't recover his 2018 form agsin. Plays tall and small I believe from memory.

Don't  know Cummings but Narkle looks promising as a HF.
 

 

15 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Brayshaw is on the table 

Firm mail

And I think we'll be chasing a draft place over a player... (my view not the mail)

Am interested to know if that is a Brayshaw or a club initiative.

iyv, if we get a draft pick are we likely to go to the draft or use it to trade in a player?

Thanks.

13 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Am interested to know if that is a Brayshaw or a club initiative.

iyv, if we get a draft pick are we likely to go to the draft or use it to trade in a player?

Thanks.

much rather clear Viney but the club has chosen and in my view they are keeping the wrong midfielder

Time will tell

 

i dont understand why people are disinterested in Ben Ronke. I've got no idea what he's been doing the last 2 seasons but in 2018 I remember him kick a bag of 7 and a bag of 5. That's enough for me to be interested and is ahead of any small forwards we have from kicking a bag.

1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

i dont understand why people are disinterested in Ben Ronke. I've got no idea what he's been doing the last 2 seasons but in 2018 I remember him kick a bag of 7 and a bag of 5. That's enough for me to be interested and is ahead of any small forwards we have from kicking a bag.

Tom McDonald kicked a few bags back in 2018 as well and hasn’t been seen since either, keep him? 

On 9/26/2020 at 5:16 PM, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Brayshaw is on the table 

Firm mail

And I think we'll be chasing a draft place over a player... (my view not the mail)

i've heard we are open to trading an inside midfielder, for a starting best 22 outside midfielder to improve team balance, this is something the club has put out there openly. they've basically said come at us with an offer. as well as talking to outside midfielders on their own. 

for the Gus fans on here i'd suspect we aren't going to accept any trade that doesn't result in us getting either a strong draft pick, or a good player in return. 

It sounds like Jared Polec is one we think is realistic if North can re-join planet earth and be a bit more understanding of the fact if you shove a bloke out the door you don't really have the leverage to demand much in return.

I would be a fan of going after Ronke. Fills a need and has played well at the level. Couldn’t crack it for a game recently but I think he has something to offer. 

Alex Witherden must be a prime target. I don’t think he will get a look in for the Lions finals team. For some reason , Fagan has left him out and seemingly he is available for offers.  
 

Dees could look at the Preuss trade pick being passed to the Lions for Witherden.  Perhaps GWS pick 37 to Dees and then MFC trades it to Lions for Witherden.