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1 minute ago, Yze_13 said:

There’s no way Daicos is going when his brother is going there next year.

Wouldn't be so sure mate, they're under the pump cap wise bigtime and of the blokes they need to lock in, he's definitely the one they'd happily lose to keep the others 

i reckon if you invested in him you could get him 

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4 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Wouldn't be so sure mate, they're under the pump cap wise bigtime and of the blokes they need to lock in, he's definitely the one they'd happily lose to keep the others 

i reckon if you invested in him you could get him 

Patches  You know that fir sure do you? 
Whst about Stephenson they would prob offload him first ? 

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34 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think we have 3 big weaknesses:
Wing, half forward flank class and backline depth.

It's nearly impossible to find the quality half forward pieces, head to the draft for that, but the best wing option IMO is Daicos. There's plenty of backline depth out there so that should be an easy one to find and fill cheaply.

1. Josh Daicos. Pies have to find room for De Goey, Mihocek and Moore. Make Josh Daicos a big money offer and get a skilled wingman to complement Langdon. Yeah he's Collingwood royalty but money talks.

2. Saad. If the price is right, pull the trigger.

3. Jarrod Lienert - solid 3rd tall kicking defender type. Gives us some badly needed defensive depth

4. Oleg Markov - quick mid sized defender, if the price isn't right on Saad he's a nice option

5. Jimmy Webster - should be free to a good home and can play

I think it's four, those three plus a key forward.

I'm not sure Jackson/Weid is the right combination. Petty might help. I don't think Brown is a long-term fit.

2018 TMac is precisely what we need, but 2018 TMac may well be nothing but a memory.

I'd have Zac Williams on your list, same deal as Saad: if the price is right, pull the trigger.

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2 minutes ago, 58er said:

Patches  You know that fir sure do you? 
Whst about Stephenson they would prob offload him first ? 

Probably yes, but he's not on big $$ Moore and De Goey will want serious coin 

 

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Just now, Patches O’houlihan said:

Probably yes, but he's not on big $$ Moore and De Goey will want serious coin 

 

All players are going to have to take some pay cuts with the new Caps !

Cwood will have to deal with it like other Clubs but mark my in words no Daicis will be leaving Cwood No Matter Whst They are offered.

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I agree that some of these guys are worthy of trade consideration, but are WE worthy of being considered as trade destinations? Who would come to us? We're a basket case with no (recent) legacy,  a poor culture and no guarantee of success. This is why it's so important to 'build culture' and try every week, because then all the cool people want to hang around with you. 

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14 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Wouldn't be so sure mate, they're under the pump cap wise bigtime and of the blokes they need to lock in, he's definitely the one they'd happily lose to keep the others 

i reckon if you invested in him you could get him 

I don’t think so. I think much more likely they lose Mihocek.

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4 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I think it's four, those three plus a key forward.

I'm not sure Jackson/Weid is the right combination. Petty might help. I don't think Brown is a long-term fit.

2018 TMac is precisely what we need, but 2018 TMac may well be nothing but a memory.

I'd have Zac Williams on your list, same deal as Saad: if the price is right, pull the trigger.

Numbers 3 4 and 5 are  no improvement IMO.   They just can't get a game and Lienert I don't even know who he is or why he would be any good for us?

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1 minute ago, RedButMostlyBlue said:

I agree that some of these guys are worthy of trade consideration, but are WE worthy of being considered as trade destinations? Who would come to us? We're a basket case with no (recent) legacy,  a poor culture and no guarantee of success. This is why it's so important to 'build culture' and try every week, because then all the cool people want to hang around with you. 

Langdon in 2019, May in 2018, Lever in 2017.

We've been doing OK for attracting talent.

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2 hours ago, A F said:

Two girlfriends?

And all I'm saying is I'd prefer anyone to Ross Lyon. Over the hill.

Ross is a game plan expert and a discaplanarian which is what we need nit all players to say they love the Coach because he is too nice!!!

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Just now, titan_uranus said:

Langdon in 2019, May in 2018, Lever in 2017.

We've been doing OK for attracting talent.

I agree with you, to an extent.

Lever was attracted off the finals that could have been, May off the prelim, and Langdon off the premise that last year was an anomaly.

How do we sell this year? 

It's tough, but hey, I'm with you on this, I hope we do manage to con some serious talent into thinking they will find success here, because I keep conning myself into thinking the same thing haha

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1 minute ago, RedButMostlyBlue said:

I agree with you, to an extent.

Lever was attracted off the finals that could have been, May off the prelim, and Langdon off the premise that last year was an anomaly.

How do we sell this year? 

It's tough, but hey, I'm with you on this, I hope we do manage to con some serious talent into thinking they will find success here, because I keep conning myself into thinking the same thing haha

Most improved side in a ladder sense?

Opportunity to achieve the unthinkable?

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4 minutes ago, Yze_13 said:

Most improved side in a ladder sense?

Opportunity to achieve the unthinkable?

The mystery and allure of the unthinkable would be my angle! 

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16 minutes ago, RedButMostlyBlue said:

I agree with you, to an extent.

Lever was attracted off the finals that could have been, May off the prelim, and Langdon off the premise that last year was an anomaly.

How do we sell this year? 

It's tough, but hey, I'm with you on this, I hope we do manage to con some serious talent into thinking they will find success here, because I keep conning myself into thinking the same thing haha

Isn't that the precise same selling point we have right now?

It's never easy attracting talent when you're one of the smaller clubs, let alone one which never plays finals, but we've done it before and we should be able to do it again.

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39 minutes ago, Yze_13 said:

I don’t think so. I think much more likely they lose Mihocek.

I don't think the Pies will want to lose Daicos now that he's established himself on the wing. Has played the role extremely well, but they shouldn't leave it too long either.

My feeling is that there's a mid tier group of Stephenson, Elliott, Mihocek & De Goey (depending on who they are shooting for trade-wise) where one or two of those might fall out to allow them to sign a key forward (Brown or even Cameron if they can swing it). Collingwood have one really good look at a premiership with Pendlebury, Sidebottom & a couple of the other experienced guys and they are a key forward short. Would imagine they'll roll the dice in the off season. Academy & F/S have them set up nicely for the next wave of young talent.

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On 9/17/2020 at 9:06 AM, spirit of norm smith said:

Giants: Isaac Cumming 21yo.
Running small defender 184cm. 84 kgs. 4 years at Giants but stuck behind Williams and Heath Shaw.  With the sun setting on Jetta and Lockhart seemingly not in favour, Dees could grab Cumming. He’d fit really well into our defence.  Could even get a shot as a running mid. Good pace.
How to get it done ?
- Offer a 3 year deal.  Giants won’t offer that. Trade options. Swap for Preuss or Swap for Joel Smith. Or trade 3rd round (hopefully acquired for ANB back to Crows). 

Lockhart will be back better and stronger than ever in 2021 Cantnunderstand non selection at end of season 

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4 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

I don't think the Pies will want to lose Daicos now that he's established himself on the wing. Has played really the role extremely well, but they shouldn't leave it too long either.

My feeling is that there's a mid tier group of Stephenson, Elliott, Mihocek & De Goey (depending on who they are shooting for trade-wise) where one or two of those might fall out to allow them to sign a key forward (Brown or even Cameron if they can swing it). Collingwood have one really good look at a premiership with Pendlebury, Sidebottom & a couple of the other experienced guys and they are a key forward short. Would imagine they'll roll the dice in the off season. Academy & F/S have them set up nicely for the next wave of young talent.

Agree. Mihocek and maybe Stephenson as well. 

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1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think we have 3 big weaknesses:
Wing, half forward flank class and backline depth.

It's nearly impossible to find the quality half forward pieces, head to the draft for that, but the best wing option IMO is Daicos. There's plenty of backline depth out there so that should be an easy one to find and fill cheaply.

1. Josh Daicos. Pies have to find room for De Goey, Mihocek and Moore. Make Josh Daicos a big money offer and get a skilled wingman to complement Langdon. Yeah he's Collingwood royalty but money talks.

2. Saad. If the price is right, pull the trigger.

3. Jarrod Lienert - solid 3rd tall kicking defender type. Gives us some badly needed defensive depth

4. Oleg Markov - quick mid sized defender, if the price isn't right on Saad he's a nice option

5. Jimmy Webster - should be free to a good home and can play

3,4,5 are spuds, dead set VFL players, already got enough of them. 
pass. 

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45 minutes ago, 58er said:

Ross is a game plan expert and a discaplanarian which is what we need nit all players to say they love the Coach because he is too nice!!!

Look at the way Freo are playing under a first year coach. Lyon had them stagnating and had run out of ideas. He's done IMV.

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1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

No toys were thrown out just making a point about individuals like yourself who try and discredit a person every time they post something. 
Hannebery left Sydney and we were in the frame but missed out, luckily I might add. 
It’s never a done deal until it’s signed as players change their minds, other clubs get involved or the club involved pulls out. 
I get told things that I’m happy to share as I enjoy the discussion and I know others do also. 

Keep sharing what you know mate. Easy to pick out the ones who start feeling insecure because others hear things about a footy club that they're apparently here to talk about. Be a much better forum if more of the talk was about the footy and not each other.

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16 minutes ago, Vineytime said:

3,4,5 are spuds, dead set VFL players, already got enough of them. 
pass. 

Our backline next year is:

May, Lever, Salem, Rivers. If we move 1 of Salem or Rivers to the midfield then it's down to 3. Who's going to fill the last 4 spots?

Hibberd 1 more year and not an automatic selection. Tomlinson and Lockhart are suspect at AFL level, they shouldn't be plan A without a decent plan B.

Oscar? Smith? Chandler? Hore? Nietschke? Petty (might be needed forward).
Jetta, KK, Wagner likely go.

Port and Richmond are 2 of the best backlines in the league, very hard to get games in. Webster was a good player for a long time, Ratten is just making sure the side has some youth. I'm happy to listen to any other suggestions as well. Either way I think we need to bring in some cheap defensive depth options.

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