CHANGES: Rd 17 vs GWS

[old dee 23,916]

10 hours ago, Flower Magic said:

So we win both games, Bulldogs win both games (they have Hawks and Dockers), Pies win one game (GC Suns) and we finish .... 9th. Excellent.

IN: Brayshaw, TMac, Harmes or Lockhart

OUT: ANB, Preuss, Bedford

Excuse my ignorance but I thought the injuries to Harmes and Bradshaw were 2 -4 week injuries so I doubt they are in the frame. 

[Waltham33 475]

15 hours ago, kev martin said:

Play the 2nds.

Out: Oliver, Viney, Melksham, Lever, Gawn, Hibbs.

In:  Dunkley, Chandler, Hore, Spargo, Brown, Tmac. 

Actually like the notion of seeing what we have although id play Oliver and Lever as full time forwards to see what they can offer.  Throw players around

 

 

 

 

[old dee 23,916]

2 minutes ago, Waltham33 said:

 

I think he is backing GWS to kick the sweep this week Waltham.

[Coq au vin 755]

10 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Have to bring in T Mac and Bennell...  will need all the talent we have on the park this week, as bad as T Mac has been he could pull something out of the hat.

At least one of them could act as a foil to draw a defender away while someone else leads and takes a mark.

[dl4e 5,851]

Out. Coaching staff

In.  Charlies angels.

This whole discussion is silly given the past couple of games.

[nosoupforme 3,085]

4 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Easy,  Bennell.   We recruited him for a reason, so lets play him. Theres only two games left for us anyway most likely.

Hannan has been on the list for years and has done nothing besides a handful of solid games and that great goal in a the Geelong final.  Hes a delist for sure.

I love your posts . Your funny.

[titan_uranus 25,050]

8 hours ago, dee-tox said:

You saw a different Baker than I did then. Messed up everything he tried. Terrible.

Fair enough.

I won't be mad if Baker gets dropped.

2 hours ago, waynewussell said:

On AVB giving away free kicks... He is on 12 against, compared to 24 Cripps, 16 Fyfe,  19 Oliver, 17 Kosi, 15 Harmes, & 15 Petracca.

vandenBerg's only played 10 games this year - most of the rest have played 15 or 16 (not Pickett).

But the main point is this: Cripps, Fyfe, Oliver and Petracca are all impacting games to a level that is so far above vandenBerg that the free kick against stat doesn't matter.

vandenBerg doesn't impact the game anywhere near to the level they do, which means then when he gives up free kicks it hurts more.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

15 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

vandenBerg's only played 10 games this year - most of the rest have played 15 or 16 (not Pickett).

But the main point is this: Cripps, Fyfe, Oliver and Petracca are all impacting games to a level that is so far above vandenBerg that the free kick against stat doesn't matter.

vandenBerg doesn't impact the game anywhere near to the level they do, which means then when he gives up free kicks it hurts more.

Look at it this way. I believe frees against are included in clangers (can anyone confirm that?).

Cripps averages 1 clanger per 5.7 disposals

vandenBerg averages 1 clanger per 3.9 disposals

Plus, Cripps averages 2.4 frees for, vandenBerg 0.7

(Cripps also averages more than twice as many tackles as vandenBerg)

Edited September 9, 2020 by Lord Nev

[Ham 741]

13 hours ago, In Harmes Way said:

I’m still mulling over the comment on another thread where somebody on here was rubbishing Lyon as a potential coach because he suggested TMac at CHB as an option.

Hes certainly an upgrade on his brother or JSmith IMO. If he can’t get a look in the forward line, maybe having him, May and Lever as the three talls isn’t a bad idea.

T.Mac in CHB is the absolute best option for him in this side.

Lever cannot and should not be playing a key position.

O.Mac is a FB, not a CHB, when ever he plays CHB he get's a horrible match up (membrey) and the result may not always be that his opponent scores, but they drag him away from the goals and his height and spoiling ability becomes a useless asset. 

[picket fence 17,741]

14 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I take this all back... pick the best available team to [censored] win Goody!

And that SHOULD include Harley Bennell!!

[titan_uranus 25,050]

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Look at it this way. I believe frees against are included in clangers (can anyone confirm that?).

Cripps averages 1 clanger per 5.7 disposals

vandenBerg averages 1 clanger per 3.9 disposals

Plus, Cripps averages 2.4 frees for, vandenBerg 0.7

(Cripps also averages more than twice as many tackles as vandenBerg)

Google suggests yes, but it's certainly not clear.

If anyone has the AFL Prospectus, I believe all stats are defined in there.

[3Dee 1,153]

What a whirlwind 48hours, just picked up tickets to go to this game at the Gabba. ? 

[Superunknown 4,225]

9 minutes ago, 3Dee said:

What a whirlwind 48hours, just picked up tickets to go to this game at the Gabba. ? 

They are some big balls. Giant balls.

[Diamond_Jim 12,642]

Didn't watch the GWS game last night but I have watched them several times.

In general the teams that are successful against them force the game to be played around the boundary line and deny room to the outside runners by blocking the corridor.

It makes for an ugly game but so be it.

Will Goodwin back his usual gameplan or go defensive.

 

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,064]

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that we’re 1-4 with Smith in the side. He needs to go.

Hibbo can play on either Findlayson or Riccardi. He’s been smashed by Wallace and Walters recently so try him on a tall.

Is Lockhart in the dog house? If not play him on Hill.

T Mac to come back in for Preuss. At least he knows how to kick a goal.

Wouldn’t mind Hannan back in on the off chance he kicks a couple of goals.

[Nascent 9,299]

My gut feel was the mass changes last week was a result from the match committee finally realising that, in spite of the players being fitter than ever, they are still fatiguing off short turn-arounds and require rest. We then overcompensated by changing a third of the squad in the hope of fresh legs winning us the game and subsequently bring in VFL standard outside runners into a rainy, windy contested game.  As for this week, I kind have given up caring what happens at the selection table. Just want to see some development and promising signs from our young players and hope Jordan gets a chance when/if fit.

[Demonland 73,266]

 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,950]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Didn't watch the GWS game last night but I have watched them several times.

In general the teams that are successful against them force the game to be played around the boundary line and deny room to the outside runners by blocking the corridor.

It makes for an ugly game but so be it.

Will Goodwin back his usual gameplan or go defensive.

 

Our usual gameplan isn't defensive? I only ask, because it surely isn't an attacking gameplan.

As to changes, the GWS loss changes everything. We should definitely pick a team to win, not to give young players experience, farewell those likely to retire or try fringe players to see who belongs. It all depends on who is available to come in, but any or all of Preuss, Bedford, Pickett, Baker and Smith could be omitted. ANB and AVB should remain because even with their weaknesses, they offer more than the five others mentioned.

Hunt could also be omitted, although I still wonder why we haven't put him back in defence where he's played his best football. I would much rather have him than Smith in the backline, although I'd prefer Lockhart to either. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,642]

39 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Our usual gameplan isn't defensive? I only ask, because it surely isn't an attacking gameplan.

To me it has been a push and switch style followed by the usual bomb to the pocket.

Other than it rarely working I've never thought of it as defensive but who knows.

To beat GWS you usually need a high tackling close checking team

[spirit of norm smith 16,596]

Ins. Lockhart. Harmes. Brown.    I don’t think Sparrow, Brayshaw or Jackson are ready to go. 
 

I think Lockhart was unlucky to get dropped and has the tackling and intensity needed. He should have been on Walters v Freo.   Again why did Brown go? He provided a contest in Stk and Sydney games and at least looked like a marking forward. 

Outs. Neal-Bullen?  Smith ?? Preuss 

Want to see Hunt and Baker and Bedford given a second chance. Hopefully dry conditions and told to run run and run  

Pickett and Bedford not to leave to 50m arc at all !!! 

lockhart  May  lever 

Hibberd Tomlinson Salem 

Rivers  Viney  Langdon 

Melkshsm  brown  Vberg

fritsch  Weid Pickett 

Gawn Trac Olly 

Int. Harmes Baker Hunt Bedford

 

 

 

[Kent 2,916]

8 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Ins. Lockhart. Harmes. Brown.    I don’t think Sparrow, Brayshaw or Jackson are ready to go. 
 

I think Lockhart was unlucky to get dropped and has the tackling and intensity needed. He should have been on Walters v Freo.   Again why did Brown go? He provided a contest in Stk and Sydney games and at least looked like a marking forward. 

Outs. Neal-Bullen?  Smith ?? Preuss 

Want to see Hunt and Baker and Bedford given a second chance. Hopefully dry conditions and told to run run and run  

Pickett and Bedford not to leave to 50m arc at all !!! 

lockhart  May  lever 

Hibberd Tomlinson Salem 

Rivers  Viney  Langdon 

Melkshsm  brown  Vberg

fritsch  Weid Pickett 

Gawn Trac Olly 

Int. Harmes Baker Hunt Bedford

 

 

 

i really like that side  spirit Rivers will go well on the wing

[Turner 1,516]

1 minute ago, Kent said:

i really like that side  spirit Rivers will go well on the wing

it was going well until he called Oliver "Olly" then he lost all my support

[spirit of norm smith 16,596]

Melksham must be in notice.  Seriously just hanging on.  He’s really dropped this year and does just enough to get week by week selection.  Bennell must be considered to fill his HFF spot. 

I think the side looks good without Spargo OMac Smith 

[spirit of norm smith 16,596]

3 minutes ago, Turner said:

it was going well until he called Oliver "Olly" then he lost all my support

Sorry I meant Clarry but it somehow got blended.  

[Redleg 41,737]

3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that we’re 1-4 with Smith in the side. He needs to go.

There is another bloke who generally plays when we lose.

Edited September 9, 2020 by Redleg