Jesse Hogan on the way out at Freo?

[binman 44,218]

3 hours ago, Dees2014 said:

Jarrah anyone?

I prefer teak

[ding 5,126]

The club has JUST started to apply forward pressure required to reduce the ridiculous ease with which our opposition could waltz the ball out of our backline. Having someone like Hogan in this current team would take us backwards in this area.

I was sick of seeing him sook to the umpires, and fail to put on pressure when he didnt have the ball. 

His trade, where we originally looked like we got unders, has turned out to be good for the club. It hurt us initially, but Jesse has done nothing since he left. I really believe his heart isnt in it. The poor bloke has been through heaps off the field and i dont think we could turn him around.

If culture is worth anything, he probably isnt worth the risk.

 

Edited August 22, 2020 by ding

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

38 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

We also got pick 23(?) In the deal, which I believe is Sparrow.

Thank you Jesse.

Yes, we took Sparrow  (ended up being pick 27 after compensation/academy picks).

We dominated this deal.  Of course the flipside is what we could have taken at pick 6.  But if Sparrow continues to become a very good player its daylight robbery, if it isn't already.

Fremantle took a player called Brett Bewley at pick 65 (became 59 after teams passed picks).  Just looked and hes already 25 so was mature age. No idea if he can play

Melbourne

In - Picks 6 and 23

Out - Jesse Hogan, pick 65

 

27	Tom Sparrow	Melbourne	South Adelaide	SANFL	Traded from Fremantle; received from Port Adelaide; received from St Kilda

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

14 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Reminds me of Jeff Farmer. Was on the brink of becoming one of the all time great small forwards in the game. 

Jeff had said he wanted to be a 10-year player at Melbourne, and become a MFC life member ... then he got a new manager, and within two weeks suddenly harboured a life-long dream to go back to Perth. Like a miracle.

Edited August 22, 2020 by Mazer Rackham

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

11 minutes ago, ding said:

His trade, where we originally looked like we got unders, has turned out to be good for the club. It hurt us initially, but Jesse has done nothing since he left. I really believe his heart insnt in it. The poor bloke has been through heaps off the field and i dont think we could turn him around.

Even when he was with us he looked like a bloke who preferred mucking around with his mates than do this thing he happened to be good at, namely, playing footy. I reckon he'd be more content playing at a lower level for the fun of it, and the after-match p*ss-up, where it's not for sheep stations and there is less scrutiny.

[drysdale demon 4,837]

11 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

I reckon he'd be more content playing at a lower level for the fun of it, and the after-match p*ss-up, where it's not for sheep stations and there is less scrutiny.

And no one can blame him for wanting that if it's his desire.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,368]

Would probably end up at the Hawks with our other castoffs (Frawley, Scully, Frost). They love collecting former junior prodigies with unfulfilled talent due to injuries or other issues.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

6 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Would probably end up at the Hawks with our other castoffs (Frawley, Scully, Frost). They love collecting former junior prodigies with unfulfilled talent due to injuries or other issues.

That philosophy has been a disaster for them.  Clarkson too arrogant for his own good in the end.

[jumbo returns 6,741]

Yes

To play this arvo

Big yes

[Lord Nev 13,512]

52 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

That completely disregards the foot injuries he's had to deal with since 2018.

I also mentioned his injury problems previously as part of the reason we wouldn't want him IMO.

[picket fence 17,752]

13 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Buddy rolled one a few years ago SWYL!

There was a bit of “ wink wink nudge nudge” about that

I've heard that ships almost as big as the Titanic have gone missing in the Manor Moat Uncle, so ANYTHINGS possible. 

A big YES from me and if not already doing so would be making discreet enquiries to get him back!

[daisycutter 29,807]

cam mccarthy just freed by wanchors

could get a 2 problem package from the west if game

[John Crow Batty 8,879]

Shame TMac who is having some issues with form and injury doesn’t receive the same love as Hogan. 

[dpositive 1,767]

13 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

I won't keep banging on, don't want to hijack the thread, so I'll make this my last one.

He hasn't produced on the field for 2 season.

He was traded away with no hesitation by Melbourne so I don't understand where you're getting this welcome home vibe from (other than supporter romanticism). It's not up to Melbourne to do things for him, we're trying to be a successful footy club.

People are projecting things onto this situation that just aren't factual.

 

LNev I always regard your input highly but I have clicked like on many of those supporting.

I don't resile from that despite agreeing with all the points you have made.

However either yes or no would strongly  require full and open disclosure of the total decision making process.

We are unlikely to get that and so like you I don't think it's worth commenting further.

[Pennant St Dee 13,327]

15 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Has anyone actually done any good at the Frogs after being recruitment from another club?

Tarrant and Mcpharlin both successes but that's about it

[Lord Travis 10,763]

I loved Hogan as a Demon and the romantic side of me would love to see him back in red and blue... however the club were more than happy to move him on for a variety of reasons. It seems like it’s been the right move as he continues to have off field issues and injury issues. His best is likely well behind him.

[layzie 34,151]

4 hours ago, Dees2014 said:

Jarrah anyone?

Nah treated pine.

[Whispering_Jack 30,957]

I don’t believe that it’s possible for Jesse Hogan to return to being the 17 year old who walked into the club all those years ago or the 20 year old who won the NAB Rising Star or the 21 year old who was the club’s leading goal kicker for the second year in a row. There have been too many episodes in his career in the intervening years both at Melbourne then at Fremantle for him to come back. There’s a chance he could possibly come good somewhere else like at the Eagles or the Swans but he did his dash at Melbourne two years ago.

[one_demon 826]

I reckon you'd be better off doing an ACL than have depression

[pitmaster 3,588]

21 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I don’t believe that it’s possible for Jesse Hogan to return to being the 17 year old who walked into the club all those years ago or the 20 year old who won the NAB Rising Star or the 21 year old who was the club’s leading goal kicker for the second year in a row. There have been too many episodes in his career in the intervening years both at Melbourne then at Fremantle for him to come back. There’s a chance he could possibly come good somewhere else like at the Eagles or the Swans but he did his dash at Melbourne two years ago.

Are you alluding to a particular incident, WJ? That's normally how a dash is done...

[Pottsydee 153]

Let sleeping dogs lie for me.

[sisso 2,580]

Much as I loved the big fella when he played for us it’s not going to happen, Goodwin and the football department have well and truly moved on...

Edited August 22, 2020 by sisso

[layzie 34,151]

We did the right thing by Jesse and I think if these issues didn't exist and he was playing good footy and one day decided to do a Trent Croad and decide to come back I think we would be no. 1 on the list. 

But the more time passes I just think this might be something that needs to be let go. The depression aside I feel the injury issues alone are just too big of a gamble and sadly for him I think his time in the game is going to be shorter than it could have been. Much love for the guy but as things currently stand it's a pass.

Edited August 22, 2020 by layzie

[FritschyBusiness 1,478]

He had a really bad run in 2017 with his fathers death and getting cancer himself, He then had a horrible foot injury in 2018 and went home to be with family, choosing to be around his family which from the whispers I heard from friends in with the club was that he was really torn about leaving. He loved playing for the Dees and with that current squad.
When we traded him at the end of 2018 when he had a horrible foot injury (I think it was similar to Vandenbergs) we got SO MUCH for him. 

I don't think the environment back in WA has actually been ideal for him to succeed. It seems like fitness staff never got ontop of his injury, rushed him in and thats why he kept not performing at the level we saw.

Imagine Hogan at FF taking the number 1 defender, leaving Weed with number 2 defender and Jackson playing on the wing or half forward to stretch their defence and chopping Max out in the ruck.  
 
The players loved playing with him and look, I think we'd be fine without him.However if it comes up, it would be silly for the club not to consider it.

[Whispering_Jack 30,957]

6 minutes ago, pitmaster said:

Are you alluding to a particular incident, WJ? That's normally how a dash is done...

No, not one in particular - just everything that’s happened with him. I’m not confident, if he fails with Fremantle,  that returning to the environment he wanted to leave in the first place will be to his benefit.