Training Ground?

[Diamond_Jim 11,781]

3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Someone needs to post a photo of the CRRT master plan.

The ovals are in the southern half of the infield, they don’t look like spectator venues.

Hopefully they provide some cambering so there’s potential for small crowds for things like intraclubs but it doesn’t seem like it’s designed for aflw. 

Ah the deetails

Careful.... the Devil may demand our soul !!

Wither the VFL ??

[DeeZone 7,773]

Kates letter has fired me up to the extent that I have Voted for the incumbents, I say bring it on. Caulfield isn’t close to Doreen but it’s a hell of a lot closer than Casey. This is about the Club having a legitimate home with Elite facilities in our life time or at least our children’s and I am all for that.

[dpositive 1,547]

2 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

you'd be wrong

i posted earlier in this thread i'm fairly certain, but a 2015 sun study said these were our top 10 supporter suburbs:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/interactive-footy-fan-map-afl-clubs-membership-heartlands/news-story/4ceb4875ecacd1b3b04eade7b2dc620b

1. Glen Iris
2. Brighton
3. Hawthorn
4. Toorak
5. Caulfield East
6. Camberwell
7. Richmond
8. Malvern
9. Kew
10. Black Rock

(list source via reddit cos the sun's map is borked)

it may have shifted slightly since 2015, but as a stonnington resident, the whole of glen iris, malvern, toorak was decked out in dees colours in 2021

it was glorious

good on you for believing anything in the Sun. I think that was probably right in 2015 but i would hope we have moved on since then . I note  a recent flag which may have increased our appeal. 

I am always surprised that Collingwood supporters live every where I go not just a block away from Victoria Park. Although when i worked in Collingwood I heard Peter Moore in the Collingwood barbers talking about he could only come in when they won coz if they lost the Collingwood heartland would spit on him.

I dont see that happening in the respectable eastern suburbs surrounding Caulfield, maybe we can whip up that passion in Port and spread the enthusiasm to a new audience (80,000 in FB) 

[dpositive 1,547]

2 hours ago, KLV said:

2 dissenters, everyone else enthusiastic supporters. I’ll add my name to the latter 

Bit narrow if I am one of your dissenters, I am a very enthusiastic supporter. 

Introduce yourself at the AGM , would be delighted to meet you.

[DeeSpencer 23,149]

1 hour ago, Dees_In_October said:

Ah, thanks I didn't see the link to the master plan earlier.

Here's some screenshots from the plan for anyone else who'd like to visualise it:

 

Thanks for posting, my photos never work. 

2 ovals and 2 soccer fields would be great for our teams to find ‘fresh ground’.

Precinct 6 seems to be the one for our facilities from reading it. Long, skinny site. Might end up landlocked but hopefully not. Unobstructed views to the North/East.

Precinct 5 is the interesting one. A few trees to navigate but not impacted by the race course at all. I suspect the council will want that one for basketball and other indoor sports. But we can get facilities to share without footing the entire bill for it. 

[Wizard of Koz 955]

5 hours ago, picket fence said:

Caulfield is Not Demon heartland, I have proposed Port Melbournes homeground or even Murphy reserve This caulfield thing will be as Souless as VFL Park was eons ago. This is jumping at shadows stuff. Nup until viable options open up stay put

yeah whatever mate. Thats ridiculous. Caulfield is a way better option for players, fans with cars, people who go by train, cyclists. Pretty much everything. No brainer

Edited December 13, 2023 by Wizard of Koz

[dpositive 1,547]

1 hour ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

This is a terrible take. If Caulfield was so soulless I guess it wouldn’t be able to host Spring Carnival racing, attracting huge crowds. It is literally across Dandenong Rd from our heartland suburbs and has a train station next door. It is hardly the end of the line. Of all options presented to date, this makes the most sense 

hardly soulless as you say. Its a great place for a horse race.

[dpositive 1,547]

49 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Kates letter has fired me up to the extent that I have Voted for the incumbents, I say bring it on. Caulfield isn’t close to Doreen but it’s a hell of a lot closer than Casey. This is about the Club having a legitimate home with Elite facilities in our life time or at least our children’s and I am all for that.

"A legitimate home with Elite facilities" Hear hear.  

[Grr-owl 1,077]

I'm another one in the area. Belly all a-flutter atmo. Great idea. Get it done....

[kev martin 9,213]

https://www.crrt.org.au/reports-publications/

This is Caulfield Racecourse Reserve Strategic Management Plan 2023

Oops apologies @DeeSpencer, didn't realize you posted this eartier.

 

CRRT-Strategic-Management-Plan-December-2023.pdf

Edited December 13, 2023 by kev martin

[whatwhat say what 19,011]

1 hour ago, dpositive said:

good on you for believing anything in the Sun. I think that was probably right in 2015 but i would hope we have moved on since then . I note  a recent flag which may have increased our appeal. 

I am always surprised that Collingwood supporters live every where I go not just a block away from Victoria Park. Although when i worked in Collingwood I heard Peter Moore in the Collingwood barbers talking about he could only come in when they won coz if they lost the Collingwood heartland would spit on him.

I dont see that happening in the respectable eastern suburbs surrounding Caulfield, maybe we can whip up that passion in Port and spread the enthusiasm to a new audience (80,000 in FB) 

a study based on membership details released to them by the clubs? yeah, i'd believe it

filth supporters are EVERYWHERE like the vermin they are

[monoccular 16,082]

17 hours ago, picket fence said:

Caulfield Racecourse would be the worst idea and training base ever.The middle of nowhere in the middle of nowhere!🤮

But Mr Fence, just think, no infested with serpents 🐍

14 hours ago, tiers said:

It's time to accept that there is no suitable site within walking distance of the G. Time to look elsewhere.

Caulfield screams out as a site with plenty of open space, a large existing proximate population with significant demon supporters (red and blue scarves fill the train carriages to the G), next suburb to our former recruiting area (think Robbie, Stephen Smith), good accessible public transport to the G and to Casey, reasonable car access and adequate potential car parking, a willing partner and it's walking distance for me.

What's not to like?

GO DEES

 

 

12 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

We need to move on from being near the MCG. 

We can continue to stomp our feet and demand a home base near the G for another 40 years, or we can get on with it and finally get a homebase in Caulfield. 

Maybe just one wishful fantasy - relocate RFC to become the Tassie Tigers 🐅 and then Punt Road will be free 😀

[picket fence 15,189]

11 hours ago, Redleg said:

Which part are you querying, where I live, that so many Caulfield homes sported our colours for the 21 GF, or that you are in the minority on your view on the Caulfield Racecourse, as our future training base.

If it’s the last point, simply go back and count up the fors and againsts in this thread and it is clear.

 

No, querying our supporter base!

[picket fence 15,189]

11 hours ago, Redleg said:

Well it’s certainly not Port Melbourne.

You can take that to the bank.

But Port Melbourne is closer in Name AND location to the CBD and MCG, but gee you cant walk 15 mins from it from your place, and If, IF thats important given our supporter living heartland, it could be a factor. I STLL want figures of our 70,000 locations to back your hypothesis up

[picket fence 15,189]

9 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Kates letter has fired me up to the extent that I have Voted for the incumbents, I say bring it on. Caulfield isn’t close to Doreen but it’s a hell of a lot closer than Casey. This is about the Club having a legitimate home with Elite facilities in our life time or at least our children’s and I am all for that.

I didn't I voted 2 of them out!

[picket fence 15,189]

10 hours ago, Dockett 32 said:

Not if you live at Lilydale

Or Berwick,the Monash to Caulfield for training reports? Yeah right! But strangely have hopped on the train to go to Goshe's but that venue has some charm!

[The Stigga 879]

54 minutes ago, picket fence said:

No, querying our supporter base!

You must have been a fan of Junction Oval Pickett, I mean, Caufield Racecourse is just a ten minute drive down Dandenong Road!

 

[Redleg 37,635]

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

But Port Melbourne is closer in Name AND location to the CBD and MCG, but gee you cant walk 15 mins from it from your place, and If, IF thats important given our supporter living heartland, it could be a factor. I STLL want figures of our 70,000 locations to back your hypothesis up

Main factor in all this, is what is available.

Clearly the whole concept is attainable at Caulfield, whereas it probably isn’t at Port Melbourne.

I am pretty sure while fans convenience might be a minor factor, it is only a minor one and the main one is what is actually available and attainable.

We therefore don’t need to waste time convincing everyone, that more Dees fans live near Caulfield than Port Melbourne, even though it’s a no brainer.

I can’t wait to stand next to you, while you are doing your training reports from the fantastic new MFC training base at the Racecourse and then sharing a coffee with you nearby.

[old dee 22,875]

8 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Main factor in all this, is what is available.

Clearly the whole concept is attainable at Caulfield, whereas it probably isn’t at Port Melbourne.

I am pretty sure while fans convenience might be a minor factor, it is only a minor one and the main one is what is actually available and attainable.

We therefore don’t need to waste time convincing everyone, that more Dees fans live near Caulfield than Port Melbourne, even though it’s a no brainer.

I can’t wait to stand next to you, while you are doing your training reports from the fantastic new MFC training base at the Racecourse and then sharing a coffee with you nearby.

Spot on Mr leg. If I am still up right in 2030 I will join you.

[dpositive 1,547]

1 hour ago, The Stigga said:

You must have been a fan of Junction Oval Pickett, I mean, Caufield Racecourse is just a ten minute drive down Dandenong Road!

 

thought I responded to this but cant see. Sorry if repeated.

Very interesting image.

Noted that Tigers must be regional given their numbers and yet small representation on this image.

Its interesting that clubs seem to be strong around their originating suburban base.

Changing behaviour and population shift are considerable. Success seems to lead to membership. Dogs, Cats, HAwks Tigers and Pies all strong 

Note that Sydney have toe hold on Melbourne port, probably due to its South Melb origins. Maybe 80,000 at Fishermans Bend represents a new population which could be attracted to Melbourne.

[picket fence 15,189]

34 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Main factor in all this, is what is available.

Clearly the whole concept is attainable at Caulfield, whereas it probably isn’t at Port Melbourne.

I am pretty sure while fans convenience might be a minor factor, it is only a minor one and the main one is what is actually available and attainable.

We therefore don’t need to waste time convincing everyone, that more Dees fans live near Caulfield than Port Melbourne, even though it’s a no brainer.

I can’t wait to stand next to you, while you are doing your training reports from the fantastic new MFC training base at the Racecourse and then sharing a coffee with you nearby.

Come down to Casey, I'll supply the coffee, vanilla slices, binoculars, scripts, and an anti slitheras suit and light saber!

Edited December 13, 2023 by picket fence

[waynewussell 4,091]

I'd be coming from the northeastern suburbs. It would take me 15 minutes longer to drive to Caulfield Racecourse than it does to get to Gosch's Paddock. Distance wise it is less than 5k further! Let's go with the plan! 

[Dee Viney Intervention 1,483]

43 minutes ago, dpositive said:

thought I responded to this but cant see. Sorry if repeated.

Very interesting image.

Noted that Tigers must be regional given their numbers and yet small representation on this image.

Its interesting that clubs seem to be strong around their originating suburban base.

Changing behaviour and population shift are considerable. Success seems to lead to membership. Dogs, Cats, HAwks Tigers and Pies all strong 

Note that Sydney have toe hold on Melbourne port, probably due to its South Melb origins. Maybe 80,000 at Fishermans Bend represents a new population which could be attracted to Melbourne.

Serious question. Given the labour skills shortage, property developers and builders filing for bankruptcy left, right and centre and a state government that is financially committed to digging tunnels all over the city and suburbs. Even the airport rail has been suspended .Exactly what year do you envisage these 80 000 people moving in to Fisherman’s Bend????? Fisherman’s Bend would be so far down the pecking order of priorities it’s not funny. Caulfield is feasible, doable and could happen reasonably quickly as it’s in the scheme of things not a massive project in comparison to constructing a suburb as is your angle. 
 I genuinely couldn’t care less where the project is location wise. I just want my club to have its own elite training facility as soon as possible. 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Dee Viney Intervention

[old dee 22,875]

I am intrigued by people commenting on how easy or not it will be to go training etc

 Has anyone considered that as soon as the club can conduct training in private they will. Just look at current training at Casey. They can lock people out so they do. Easy access to Caulfield  probably means you will get a few dates a year. I go to training 2 to 3 times a year. Won't go to Caulfield because it is "too" far. However it will be great for the players and that is what counts. 

[DeeSpencer 23,149]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

I am intrigued by people commenting on how easy or not it will be to go training etc

 Has anyone considered that as soon as the club can conduct training in private they will. Just look at current training at Casey. They can lock people out so they do. Easy access to Caulfield  probably means you will get a few dates a year. I go to training 2 to 3 times a year. Won't go to Caulfield because it is "too" far. However it will be great for the players and that is what counts. 

It’s Crown land that’s administered by a trust formed by the department of environment. They lock people out on race days and when horse training occurred on track the public was banned before 9:30, but I’d be very surprised if the public aren’t allowed in. The walking and cycling tracks are key components to the redevelopment.