Jaidyn Stephenson Betting Scandal

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

Just now, P-man said:

Betting advertising is certainly overdone, but let’s not use that to shield Stephenson from what was an act of unbelievable stupidity.

it's not the advertising... it's the AFL taking the money

It's a bigger issue than pokies if you take a step back...

It is mainstreaming a minority activity... think on it.

[dees189227 12,398]

Seriously how dumb do you have to be. I mean you get talks on this stuff after you are drafted. 

It's a shame he didn't own up the week before he played us. We would have been 4 goals better off. 

Anyway the pies will make finals and they get a fresh Stephenson to come in. 

[P-man 13,366]

17 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

it's not the advertising... it's the AFL taking the money

It's a bigger issue than pokies if you take a step back...

It is mainstreaming a minority activity... think on it.

Doesn’t really change my point.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

7 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

More info:  AFL Statement

Quite a rap sheet:

The multi-bets included legs on:

• Collingwood to win,
• Collingwood winning margin,
• Stephenson to kick a goal,
• Stephenson to kick three or more goals,
• Collingwood teammates to kick a goal,
• Collingwood teammates to kick two or more goals, and
• Collingwood teammates to have in excess of a number of disposals.

For the grand total of $36 across 3 games!

Unbelievable that he bet on himself!!  That alone warrants the book thrown at him.  Those bets are very open to match-fixing.  Yet the  22 week ban was reduced to 10.   Eddie has been busy to get Stephenson back for finals as @ArtificialWisdompredicted. 

Also gets a $20,000 fine.  Along with losing match payments $36 will cost him $100,000+.

Very silly lad.

Ok, so lets get this clear to avoid confusion. It was 3 multi bets and the outlay was $36 across those 3 bets. Multi bets multiply the odds of each leg of the bet, by the sum invested. So if you have 6 legs for instance, including bets on individual players, for the sum of lets say $12.00....then the return could easily be in the $1000s!

[spirit of norm smith 16,588]

How can the filth organise this slap in the wrist. It’s a total breach and It should have warranted a 12- month ban.  Not 10 weeks and he’s back for the finals.  Ridiculous AFL AGAIN !!!

[Cards13 9,117]

Paul Scholes bet on quite a few games and got a wet bus ticket too.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48689396

Edited June 19, 2019 by Cards13

[monoccular 17,573]

41 minutes ago, P-man said:

Betting advertising is certainly overdone, but let’s not use that to shield Stephenson from what was an act of unbelievable stupidity.

I don't believe (m)any are using this to shield Stephenson from his stupidity, but nor should we shield Gil (and all his colleagues at AFL HQ) from hypocrisy for their dependence on gaming and gambling revenue.  

Frankly, when these sportsbet, betfast, multi,  etc  or whatever brand ads come on I often change the channel (or radio  station) and sometimes forget to turn it back.  It is a real turnoff.

There must be figures somewhere showing the percentage of AFL revenue that comes from the gaming / gambling / betting industry.

 

 

[P-man 13,366]

2 minutes ago, monoccular said:

I don't believe (m)any are using this to shield Stephenson from his stupidity, but nor should we shield Gil (and all his colleagues at AFL HQ) from hypocrisy for their dependence on gaming and gambling revenue.  

Frankly, when these sportsbet, betfast, multi,  etc  or whatever brand ads come on I often change the channel (or radio  station) and sometimes forget to turn it back.  It is a real turnoff.

There must be figures somewhere showing the percentage of AFL revenue that comes from the gaming / gambling / betting industry.

 

 

Fair, but I’ve seen more than a few on social media overlooking and yes even excusing Stephenson. So just putting it out there that one doesn’t cancel out the other.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Another thing, if hes placing multi bets like these, hes been doing sports betting for a fair amount of time. Its not the only 3 bets this guy has ever had.

[Dee Zephyr 19,268]

18 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Does anyone think he actually self reported? 

One bet could be a brain fade.  Multiple bets on 3 games over a 6 week period?  Self-reporting is probably window dressing to 'justify' the discount from 22 weeks to 10.

According to this article it was Jeremy Howe that advised Stephenson to seek help after he made a flippant remark in the change rooms.

How dumb do you have to be? Commenting as a joke about a teammate costing you a multi, wow, to a club leader after a win. He deserved a 36 week suspension , here’s your ‘bonus bet’ kid.

It was in the rooms at the MCG after the Magpies had just beaten St Kilda by 41 points in round nine – a game in which Stephenson kicked three goals – that the 20-year-old made a passing comment to Howe that one of their teammates had cost him a multi.

Stephenson was remarking on the fact one of their teammates hadn’t delivered the number of disposals that he had earlier bet on.

https://apple.news/A9I1gA3IZRJazQM7FxHQtow

Fine leadership shown by Howe if accurate.

[titan_uranus 25,043]

17 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

spot betting .. for instance that the next ball is a wide and you as the player determine the result is so so different but I will leave others to judge.

This is the AFL playing tough on one hand while supping at the ever growing sports betting trough

His bets included spots, though.

He bet on himself to kick 3+ goals.

That required him to influence the outcome of the match to engineer 3 goals for himself, even if that was a bad outcome for the team.

We've seen the footage showing him go for a 65m torp with 2 minutes left. Collingwood at that time were 40+ points up, but imagine if the Saints had been leading when he took that mark. Imagine if he'd gone for the low-percentage barrel with the game on the line, just because he wanted to get his own personal goal-count up to 3.

There's a fair debate to be had around the AFL's taking of gambling money with one hand and doling out harsh punishments for gambling with the other, but that doesn't make what Stephenson did OK. It was not, and his penalty is probably too lenient given he is back for finals.

[old55 23,687]

AFL knew about this prior to QB and yet allowed him to play and he starred, receiving coaches' votes and likely Brownlow votes. That stinks.

[spirit of norm smith 16,588]

Self declared?!!!!

slip of the tongue

Howe took it to Walsh and then Stephenson self declared

22 matches (1 year) absolute should have been the penalty without any deference 

[rjay 25,088]

27 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Self declared?!!!!

slip of the tongue

Howe took it to Walsh and then Stephenson self declared

22 matches (1 year) absolute should have been the penalty without any deference 

Yep, that's the bit I don't get 'norm'...

He didn't come forward at all, a slip of the tongue gave him no choice in the end.

Credit to Howe though...it seems.

[Macca 17,032]

Meanwhile the AFL turns a blind eye to PED use ... but the public doesn't care about PED use anymore (except when the Olympics or Cycling comes around)  No votes to buy there.

I'm not excusing Stephenson either ... more so highlighting the inconsistencies with regards to the integrity in the sport. 

A 10 week suspension for transgressing the rules with regards to gambling on the sport vs 1 urine test per year per player for PED use.  Out of whack in my book.

[Moonshadow 17,677]

So 12 matches suspended for rest of career? If he gets done 1 week next year for a high bump does that mean he serves the 12 as well?

[daisycutter 29,738]

1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

So 12 matches suspended for rest of career? If he gets done 1 week next year for a high bump does that mean he serves the 12 as well?

c'mon moonie, it means whatever the afl (and eddie) want it to mean at any particular time

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,708]

22 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Does anyone think he actually self reported? 

One bet could be a brain fade.  Multiple bets on 3 games over a 6 week period?  Self-reporting is probably window dressing to 'justify' the discount from 22 weeks to 10.

A former player from the red and blue dobbed him in.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

4 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

His bets included spots, though.

He bet on himself to kick 3+ goals.

That required him to influence the outcome of the match to engineer 3 goals for himself, even if that was a bad outcome for the team.

We've seen the footage showing him go for a 65m torp with 2 minutes left. Collingwood at that time were 40+ points up, but imagine if the Saints had been leading when he took that mark. Imagine if he'd gone for the low-percentage barrel with the game on the line, just because he wanted to get his own personal goal-count up to 3.

There's a fair debate to be had around the AFL's taking of gambling money with one hand and doling out harsh punishments for gambling with the other, but that doesn't make what Stephenson did OK. It was not, and his penalty is probably too lenient given he is back for finals.

Well imagine also (for example)  if Collingwood made the 8 by 1/2 a % point causing Melbourne to miss the 8 (after we win the next 12 games straight).........Hypothetical yes, but its still influencing an outcome.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

$36 on 3 bets. It's all so innocent and harmless. That's probably what Hansie Cronje thought at first.

Meanwhile there are rumours of bikie gangs showing up to clubs' training because some players owe them money ...

(dream sequence begins)

It's the year 2021. Stephenson, having never self reported,  is now an habitual gambler and bets large amounts. And finds himself in money trouble.

He's put a bet on at good odds, that he will not score any goals in the next match againt the Suns.

Deep in the 4th, no goals. It's all looking good. Then at the 30 minute mark, with Collingwood down by 3 points, he marks 30 out directly in front.

Does he kick the goal?

Or ... what if his bet was for to Collingwood to lose? Not too far a leap, if he's accustomed to laying bets, and the Pies were underdogs for that match. Does he kick the goal?

"Fixing" a match in advance would be hard in the AFL, but affecting the outcome of a match is not too much of a stretch.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

1 hour ago, Win4theAges said:

A former player from the red and blue dobbed him in.

Jeremy Howe did the right thing, but I wonder how he feels about that? Imagine being the person who, by not turning a blind eye, might subsequently be accused of derailing Collingwood's premiership chances. I stress that Howe's action was the correct one to take and showed real leadership, but it imposes a heavy burden on him for the rest of the year. Stephenson hasn't just been a fool and hurt Collingwood; he's also hurt Jeremy Howe. 

[Ugottobekidding 1,194]

6 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

His bets included spots, though.

He bet on himself to kick 3+ goals.

That required him to influence the outcome of the match to engineer 3 goals for himself, even if that was a bad outcome for the team.

We've seen the footage showing him go for a 65m torp with 2 minutes left. Collingwood at that time were 40+ points up, but imagine if the Saints had been leading when he took that mark. Imagine if he'd gone for the low-percentage barrel with the game on the line, just because he wanted to get his own personal goal-count up to 3.

There's a fair debate to be had around the AFL's taking of gambling money with one hand and doling out harsh punishments for gambling with the other, but that doesn't make what Stephenson did OK. It was not, and his penalty is probably too lenient given he is back for finals.

Still nailed it... 

[Ugottobekidding 1,194]

2 hours ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Well imagine also (for example)  if Collingwood made the 8 by 1/2 a % point causing Melbourne to miss the 8 (after we win the next 12 games straight).........Hypothetical yes, but its still influencing an outcome.

At the end of the day he kicked a goal which would be the same result regardless of any bets. Guarantee there would be Demon players betting on games too.

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

Making that remark to Howe in the change rooms (if that was indeed what happened) about one of his team mates costing him a multi, shows how Stephenson's betting wasn't just a bit of mucking around with his mates on the couch when he was bored and his mates were betting on their phones. His betting had ingrained itself into the way he looked at playing football. Instead of being a part of a TEAM with the objective of being as good as he could be to work within that team, the ultimate goal being part of a premiership team, the gambling made him selfish.

And another thing. I suspect Eddie has done a mountain of spin doctoring to convince everyone Stephenson's bets were only minor aberrations. We only heard recently how gambling is a problem for many AFL players. Yet Eddie reckons his player was a "clean skin" (his words) who picked up a multi for 30 bucks, self reported, and then got "clobbered". Now he says the decision to "clobber" Stephenson will in future drive players "underground" to bet with unregulated bookmakers and in turn this will lead to a gateway to organized crime!!

Cor blimey Eddie. You are lucky your player will get to play in finals. Take it and be quiet.

[Superunknown 4,223]

On 6/19/2019 at 8:11 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

it's not the advertising... it's the AFL taking the money

It's a bigger issue than pokies if you take a step back...

It is mainstreaming a minority activity... think on it.

How do you quantify its quantum

in relation to pokies. Interested to know