8 hours ago, kallangurdemon said:

Well if the clubs list managers knew that Jess was going to have a season ending  mid year injury then  I do have a lot more faith in them .He not the club instituted the move back to WA and we accepted a lop sided trade  in return.I am dismayed by the patent schadenfreude being displayed in  this thread .He has done nothing to merit this.There is absolutely no evidence that's been produced to suggest his problem is career  ending as much as some wish this to be the case..We have nothing  remotely as talented as Jesse  in the forwards and I would have him back in a heartbeat.

The MFC was very good at covering for Hogan throughout his time at Melbourne.  He regularly presented them with off-ground challenges regarding his behaviour.

And it's not like Freo weren't aware he had issues, which is why Bell nearly backed out at the trade table.

While the club would have been happy to retain a fully committed Hogan they knew what they were doing by letting him go.

Edited February 5, 20205 yr by ProDee

7 hours ago, McQueen said:

He and Hardie have a show where they rabbit on over rubbish calls all the time.. you don’t live in WA so you’re not exposed to it but as usual you’ll cherry pick an internet article here and there to pack your pipe.

Hardie called only three days ago that we wouldn’t sign Bennell, Hagdorn has made some ridiculous calls over the years. He’s won an award? In today’s journalism standards how is that even worthy of acknowledgement from an anonymous forum poster?

LOL. Keep it going big fella.  

The moment the club posted video of Topper Harley kicking goal from the boundary it was obvious we would sign him.

15 hours ago, DemonOX said:

Can u elaborate on what the supposed wrong doings are mandee?

No but if you do a little searching there's plenty being said. I would expect most of it to be wrong, but some self proclaimed eye witnesses are saying he is in some personal trouble. I hope he is OK

I really hope Jesse gets the right help. My impression was that he had solid friends at the Dees who helped him a lot and I doubted a return to Perth was the answer.  

Pre-season supplementary selection still possible.

The question is, would Hogan be an effective top-up to cover Nietske?

 

14 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Jesse needs a full on incentive based contract. 
I wonder if he would return to the MFFC if the carrot ? was dangled?

Right now I don't think carrots will work. It would appear he is just in a bad space. Rational thought is simply not there. He needs professional help, I hope he is getting it. 

15 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Jesse needs a full on incentive performance  based contract. 
I wonder if he would return to the MFC if the carrot ? was dangled?

I think you are making the mistake of thinking that everyone is driven by money or other incentives. It's just not the case as evidenced by Tom Boyd.

Everyone is different.

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

No. He said Longmuir had other options outside of Freo and clubs were interested in him.

Justin Longmuir out of Fremantle Dockers coaching race: Hagdorn

https://amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/justin-longmuir-out-of-fremantle-dockers-coaching-race-hagdorn-20190920-p52t97.html?__twitter_impression=true

3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Nowhere have I talked about Hardie.

I'm not sure why you're bringing him up other than to try and continue the personal gripe you seem to have with me for some reason.

Posters, I'm assuming including yourself now, were calling Hagdorn a 'hack' and saying he's not connected, wouldn't know anything etc, so I pointed out it was only a few years ago he won a pretty well respected media award for his news breaking work.

But cool, let's just continue with the 'all media are hacks' and 'I hate people on the internet I've never met' narratives because that's really mature.

I’m not the one making up stories here, Lord Irony. 

45 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Justin Longmuir out of Fremantle Dockers coaching race: Hagdorn

https://amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/justin-longmuir-out-of-fremantle-dockers-coaching-race-hagdorn-20190920-p52t97.html?__twitter_impression=true

Did you read the article or just the headline mate?

"Radio 6PR sports reporter Kim Hagdorn revealed on Friday Longmuir had other options and might now be lost to the Dockers."

“Adelaide also want to talk to Justin Longmuir urgently,” he said.

Hagdorn said that if he was out of the race, the Dockers could move forward with an appointment faster as they would not be waiting for Longmuir’s Magpies finals mission to finish before he could engage in the interview process.

 

2 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I’m not the one making up stories here, Lord Irony. 

When you want to talk footy I'm open to it. Not interested in internet wars.

Cheers.

1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

Pre-season supplementary selection still possible.

The question is, would Hogan be an effective top-up to cover Nietske?

 

The Answer is YES

FWIW I  have heard that part of the problems Jesse might have involve some falling outs with several high profile Freo players !

Would have him back in a heartbeat!

Footy , back at the Dees might well be part of the solution he needs!

Edited February 6, 20205 yr by picket fence

Two hacks walked into a studio.

Speaking with Kane Cornes, Hagdorn said the club was at such a “frustration” with the 24-year-old that they were considering all their options to cut ties ahead of the new season.

“I’m not tip-toeing around it as much as others,” he said on SEN Mornings.

“I do understand how officials at Fremantle and even those at AFL House (are sensitive about this) – it’s probably the AFL’s biggest issue is the mental health concerns amongst some of the athletes.

“I think Fremantle are at such a frustration with Jesse Hogan that even considering all that, they’ll have to come to an agreement where he vacates the club for a very long period of time and ultimately I don’t think he’ll be going back to Fremantle at all.

“A player with mental health issues can be put on a long-term injury list and then be reconsidered at a due time well down the track and a player can replace him.

“Ultimately, I don’t think Jesse Hogan is in a position to play football with Fremantle again. Not only has it become a major issue, his habits away from the club which have unfortunately been fairly public over the last 11 months.

“Now it’s gotten beyond the playing group, the senior players and now even new senior coach Justin Longmuir, who I understand, are of the view that we should move Jesse (Hogan) on.”

17 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Disagree.

Guess we'll see if he's right this time then.

Also:

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/watoday-footy-writer-kim-hagdorn-wins-prestigious-awards-for-sam-mitchell-scoop-20161109-gsl7nr.html

 

11 hours ago, McQueen said:

He and Hardie have a show where they rabbit on over rubbish calls all the time.. you don’t live in WA so you’re not exposed to it but as usual you’ll cherry pick an internet article here and there to pack your pipe.

Hardie called only three days ago that we wouldn’t sign Bennell, Hagdorn has made some ridiculous calls over the years. He’s won an award? In today’s journalism standards how is that even worthy of acknowledgement from an anonymous forum poster?

LOL. Keep it going big fella.  

FMD Hackdorn won an award, as you're aware McQueen from listening to 6PR he is off the mark more often than not.

Edited February 6, 20205 yr by Demonland
No personal attacks or publishing what you think are people's real names

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

I think you are making the mistake of thinking that everyone is driven by money or other incentives. It's just not the case as evidenced by Tom Boyd.

Everyone is different.

I am only saying IF Jesse wishes to continue his career in the AFL. If he does not, his career is over

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

The Answer is YES

FWIW I  have heard that part of the problems Jesse might have involve some falling outs with several high profile Freo players !

Would have him back in a heartbeat!

Footy , back at the Dees might well be part of the solution he needs!

The romantic in me would love to see Jesse back at Melbourne, clean up his act with help from his mates here and play a big part in our success.

...

 

This has 3 strikes written all over it... ‘mental health’ has become an easy out for a myriad of issues 

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I am only saying IF Jesse wishes to continue his career in the AFL. If he does not, his career is over

Thanks for clearing that up.

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Did you read the article or just the headline mate?

"Radio 6PR sports reporter Kim Hagdorn revealed on Friday Longmuir had other options and might now be lost to the Dockers."

“Adelaide also want to talk to Justin Longmuir urgently,” he said.

Hagdorn said that if he was out of the race, the Dockers could move forward with an appointment faster as they would not be waiting for Longmuir’s Magpies finals mission to finish before he could engage in the interview process.

 

This is the sort of stuff that won this bloke an award?

Must've been the Logies of the Journalism world.

Jesse Hogan has taken time away from football to deal with mental health problems. He has not quit the game, nor has he been asked to quit by the club.

Neither are the Dockers poised to do so any time soon.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/jesse-hogan-hasn-t-quit-fremantle-and-he-isn-t-about-to-20200206-p53yc9.html?fbclid=IwAR2S3DtgmF51_BGco-M2vV4F2Uvsir7D4Nqqasyahix6zuiRib2hYcGC_fY

Well there you go, we can all settle down now.

 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/jesse-hogan-hasn-t-quit-fremantle-and-he-isn-t-about-to-20200206-p53yc9.html

 

Jesse Hogan hasn't quit Fremantle, and he isn't about to

 

4 hours ago, Robbie57 said:

I really hope Jesse gets the right help. My impression was that he had solid friends at the Dees who helped him a lot and I doubted areturn to Perth was the answer.  

l wonder if some players are better away from their home states where they socialise and rely more on the friendships they form with other players at their club and benefit from the underlying peer group influences. jeff farmer also had many more issues when he went home.

Edited February 6, 20205 yr by Demons1858

1 hour ago, rjay said:

The romantic in me would love to see Jesse back at Melbourne, clean up his act with help from his mates here and play a big part in our success.

...

 

Nothing wrong with that rjay. The world could do with a few more romantics. 

17 minutes ago, old dee said:

Nothing wrong with that rjay. The world could do with a few more romantics. 

absolutely, was leading b and f before getting injured in his last season with us. still my favourite opposition player to watch

16 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

Jack Handey joke. Genius. Also...

“I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather. Not screaming in terror like his passengers”  

 

Completely no regard for grand pa who wanted to pass with his kids around him..........