Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Watson11 2,240]

11 minutes ago, ProDee said:

He also played very well against the Giants in round 23 and was good against West Coast in round 22.

Weideman averaged the 11th most contested marks for the season for players with at least 10 games.

It might not be enough for you, but it's enough for me.  He's 21 and miles off his peak.  His upside is enormous.

 

Agree.  He takes contested pack marks which in big games and finals are gold.  Few more kg and bigger tank and he’ll be a jet. 

[beelzebub 23,376]

1 minute ago, Watson11 said:

Agree.  He takes contested pack marks which in big games and finals are gold.  Few more kg and bigger tank and he’ll be a jet. 

already in the gym....he's keen as Mustard... First real opportunity to get some work into his legs too.

[Soidee 1,496]

Interesting comments on Perth radio by Langdon!  He said there are reasons why MFC wanted to offload Hogan but will not and cannot talk about them.  Interesting that he put that out there but refused to take it further.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,860]

2 minutes ago, Soidee said:

Interesting comments on Perth radio by Langdon!  He said there are reasons why MFC wanted to offload Hogan but will not and cannot talk about them.  Interesting that he put that out there but refused to take it further.

Pure speculation by Langdon. The guy is an actual idiot. 

[layzie 33,801]

Why are people offended when others say that Jesse might have different priorities than other players. That he may want to win a flag but favours being near family and friends and having a kick in a weaker team a bit more? No-one is saying he’s a bad bloke but this does seem to be the truth. 

[ding 5,126]

5 hours ago, Watson11 said:

Agree.  He takes contested pack marks which in big games and finals are gold.  Few more kg and bigger tank and he’ll be a jet. 

Most run-of-the-mill footy followers have no real idea of how good this kid could be. I dont mean that dismissively to the football public, as i dont really follow others teams up and coming players either. The general football public see him as nothing more than a skinny kid who has taken a couple of contested marks, and has a famous relative.

For anyone who has watched his progress closely, the evidence was getting stronger every time he took the field in the latter part of the season. He is good below his knees, and loves a tackle. If the coaches can keep improving his defensive pressure, and he gets confidence in his body (after adding several more K.G's), i can see him splitting packs open and being the contested marking beast we all hoped Hogan would be.

This kid will be special IMO.

Edited October 21, 2018 by ding

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

8 hours ago, ding said:

Most run-of-the-mill footy ........

He is good below his knees, and loves a tackle. If the coaches can keep improving his defensive pressure, and he gets confidence in his body (after adding several more K.G's), i can see him splitting packs open and being the contested marking beast we all hoped Hogan would be.

This kid will be special IMO.

This is where Sam has Jesse covered already. It used to frustrate me no end that for a supposedly super competitive bloke Hogan never bought full intensity to his tackling side. Hogan has never made this type of tackle Weid did on Dangerfield on the members wing (1.53)

 

[Nasher 33,616]

11 hours ago, ding said:

Most run-of-the-mill footy followers have no real idea of how good this kid could be. I dont mean that dismissively to the football public, as i dont really follow others teams up and coming players either. The general football public see him as nothing more than a skinny kid who has taken a couple of contested marks, and has a famous relative.

For anyone who has watched his progress closely, the evidence was getting stronger every time he took the field in the latter part of the season. He is good below his knees, and loves a tackle. If the coaches can keep improving his defensive pressure, and he gets confidence in his body (after adding several more K.G's), i can see him splitting packs open and being the contested marking beast we all hoped Hogan would be.

This kid will be special IMO.

Agreed. I think my opinion settled on him when watching a rare televised Casey game last year where he kicked a bag of 7. He’d already shown his cleanly use of the ball in the seniors, but this game showed aerial dominance which hadn’t been evident until then. I’ve thought since then that as long as he has the appetite for hard work, for us it’s just sit back and patiently wait until he fills out and gains the confidence that comes with it.

I understand why some want to see it to believe it; we’ve all been disappointed before, but sometimes I think people should just look at what’s right in front of them. 

Some people used Weideman’s name in the same sentence as Lucas Cook. That’s a position I didn’t understand even at the time and looks beyond stupid now.

[Willmoy1947 4,088]

On 10/20/2018 at 5:23 AM, beelzebub said:

That was NEVER happening. You see that now ? He was ALWAYS going...

In some respects he'd been gone for a while.

Such is life. 

We'll ( MFC) be fine. 

Yep, pretty sad when i force myself to think about it, but that Sydney game was the one for me where he looked like he had had enough for the year.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,754]

20 hours ago, dees189227 said:

Broke the news to my 6 year old niece last night that Jesse has left melbourne after she wanted to name her toy puppy teddy after him. She actually burst into tears and said no I don't want Jesse to leave. I want him to play for melbourne. 

She cheered up a little bit after we told her jonsey and max were still there. 

Wouldn't it just be easier to put the toy puppy teddy down with a toy injection?

[Jaded No More 68,915]

22 hours ago, Wollongong Demon said:

 

Forwards win matches not defenders.

 

Forwards win matches.

Defenders win grand finals.

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

27 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Yep, pretty sad when i force myself to think about it, but that Sydney game was the one for me where he looked like he had had enough for the year.

I suspect the sentiment was mutual. His antics were ugly that game.

[beelzebub 23,376]

21 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I understand why some want to see it to believe it; we’ve all been disappointed before, but sometimes I think people should just look at what’s right in front of them. 

Funny in a fashion that you put it in those terms. I think that's precisely what many have done. Some wear a different glass to others.

It's very possible we see different things.

[hemingway 7,627]

i loved Sam's attitude on the field at the end of the season, particularly his enthusiasm and his connection with his team mates . 

Terrific body language, a strong sense of commitment and team. 

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, Nasher said:

Agreed. I think my opinion settled on him when watching a rare televised Casey game last year where he kicked a bag of 7. He’d already shown his cleanly use of the ball in the seniors, but this game showed aerial dominance which hadn’t been evident until then. I’ve thought since then that as long as he has the appetite for hard work, for us it’s just sit back and patiently wait until he fills out and gains the confidence that comes with it.

I understand why some want to see it to believe it; we’ve all been disappointed before, but sometimes I think people should just look at what’s right in front of them. 

Some people used Weideman’s name in the same sentence as Lucas Cook. That’s a position I didn’t understand even at the time and looks beyond stupid now.

I was at that game in Box Hill: he kicked 5 of them in the first half, he kicked some from a long way out, and he was marking everything that came his way. I also know someone who has known and followed Sam from his junior days and he has told me we ain't seen nothing yet. He is also full of praise for Sam as a human being. This guy is not a Demon supporter either...

Edited October 22, 2018 by dieter

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2 hours ago, Nasher said:

Agreed. I think my opinion settled on him when watching a rare televised Casey game last year where he kicked a bag of 7. He’d already shown his cleanly use of the ball in the seniors, but this game showed aerial dominance which hadn’t been evident until then. I’ve thought since then that as long as he has the appetite for hard work, for us it’s just sit back and patiently wait until he fills out and gains the confidence that comes with it.

I understand why some want to see it to believe it; we’ve all been disappointed before, but sometimes I think people should just look at what’s right in front of them. 

Some people used Weideman’s name in the same sentence as Lucas Cook. That’s a position I didn’t understand even at the time and looks beyond stupid now.

Always liked his courage in the air.

First couple of AFL games this year I thought he was holding back when team mates were in the marking contest.  

Last couple of games he went hard at everything regardless.

 

[McQueen 17,864]

14 hours ago, ding said:

Most run-of-the-mill footy followers have no real idea of how good this kid could be. I dont mean that dismissively to the football public, as i dont really follow others teams up and coming players either. The general football public see him as nothing more than a skinny kid who has taken a couple of contested marks, and has a famous relative.

For anyone who has watched his progress closely, the evidence was getting stronger every time he took the field in the latter part of the season. He is good below his knees, and loves a tackle. If the coaches can keep improving his defensive pressure, and he gets confidence in his body (after adding several more K.G's), i can see him splitting packs open and being the contested marking beast we all hoped Hogan would be.

This kid will be special IMO.

Ding, nailing of picks aside, in all my time supporting this club I have never felt so comfortable that the development of every single player brought to the club via trade or draft, is in very good hands and clearly adds to the clubs appeal for prospective players such as and which was evidenced in May's comments.

I was suspect of Weidemans potential earlier this year but his EF against Geelong put paid to any lingering suspicions.

Without Hogan, I expect his progress to come along in leaps and bounds next season.

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,734]

All we need next season is for Sammy to average 2 goals a game, to go with TMacs 3, which I think is very achievable given our strength in the middle.

Assuming they both play 22 games that would give Sam 44 for the year and Tommy 66. Then we just need the usual suspects to bob up here and there like Nibbler, Trac, Hannan, Vanders, Spargo & Melksham.

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19 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Pure speculation by Langdon. The guy is an actual idiot. 

All that bleach has gotten to his brain perhaps...

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,395]

40 minutes ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

All we need next season is for Sammy to average 2 goals a game, to go with TMacs 3, which I think is very achievable given our strength in the middle.

Assuming they both play 22 games that would give Sam 44 for the year and Tommy 66. Then we just need the usual suspects to bob up here and there like Nibbler, Trac, Hannan, Vanders, Spargo & Melksham.

I think that’s realistic, I’ve always thought key forwards should go into every game with the mindset of 1 goal a qtr. Obviously that won’t always happen but I think it’s a good starting point, aim high.

[Bay Riffin 1,474]

20 hours ago, Soidee said:

Interesting comments on Perth radio by Langdon!  He said there are reasons why MFC wanted to offload Hogan but will not and cannot talk about them.  Interesting that he put that out there but refused to take it further.

Sums up footy journalism perfectly. All talk bugger all substance. 

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,845]

From a reliable source . . .

Direct confirmation from an assistant coach about Hogan: “we’re glad he's gone - very hard to deal with”.
 

[McQueen 17,864]

2 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

From a reliable source . . .

Direct confirmation from an assistant coach about Hogan: “we’re glad he's gone - very hard to deal with”.
 

I find this really unprofessional from an 'assistant coach' to make this statement, if true of course.

 

[DV8 2,271]

9 hours ago, FarNorthernD said:

This is where Sam has Jesse covered already. It used to frustrate me no end that for a supposedly super competitive bloke Hogan never bought full intensity to his tackling side. Hogan has never made this type of tackle Weid did on Dangerfield on the members wing (1.53)

 

giving me shivers on the back of the neck. 

... sorry to lose one, just as another arises.

 

[dieter 3,325]

8 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I find this really unprofessional from an 'assistant coach' to make this statement, if true of course.

 

I fail to understand why you'd think that. It's as though an assistant coach is not allowed to have an opinion, or, even worse, such an observation must not be made public. It's as plain as day that the Melbourne brains thrust had no qualms about his imminent departure so there must have been issues. If there weren't the 'issues' rumours would not keep bubbling to the surface.

His dummy spits when umpires failed to reward him surely must have been one of the issues, an issue which Jesse seemed incapable of addressing.

Or, maybe it was his 'Kicking 'Coach who despaired Jesse would ever lose that convoluted inclination to hold the ball as if he was going to kick it with his left foot...