Changes vs Hawthorn R4

[Garbo 1,563]

ANB is simply not getting enough of it round the contest for mine. Melksham also isn’t having any impact on the scoreboard so has to be under pressure to hold his spot and dare I say Jetta is really struggling to have the impact that he has had in the past few years

A number of times yesterday we really lacked pace for mine so Hunt has to come back as soon as he finds form in the VFL, we saw him go fwd a few times last year so I’d try swapping him out for Melksham if he puts his hand up.

Brawyshaw is the obvious in for ANB if he continues to put his hand up at VFL level.

Something still feels off to me this year, we aren’t playing anywhere near our best footy, a lot of players are down on last year’s form but this is hidden somewhat due to the massive improvements of Hogan, Gawn and Petracca 

Edited April 7, 2018 by Garbo

[monoccular 17,707]

1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

What worked against North yesterday isn’t necessarily going to work against Hawthorn next week. I’d feel more comfortable with an extra tall to play forward and give Max some relief in the ruck. Cam Pedersen and Sam Weideman will be looked at closely at Coburg today.

Earlier in yesterday’s game we were a bit iffy against outside pace but we settled down and once tiredness crept into the game, we were fine. Still, a few players will be interesting - Hunt and Brayshaw in particular. 

With the idea of outside pace in mind, I gave some thought last week to the possible surprise inclusions of one of Oskar Baker or Charlie Spargo but they’re probably not ready by half a season at least and those fairytale debuts don’t happen any more. 

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[Gator 18,050]

The following won't happen, but it's what I'd like (assuming Weideman plays well today).

IN: Weideman, Hunt, Hannan

OUT: Neal-Bullen, Melksham, Bugg

Jetta  McDonald  Lever

Hunt  Frost  Hibberd

Lewis  Jones  Salem

Petracca  Hogan  Hannan

Garlett  Weideman  Fritsch

Gawn  Oliver  Tyson

Vince Kent Harmes Wagner

I'd love Brayshaw to be ready, but it appears he's going to be at Casey for a while.

I know Bugg won't be dropped, but I can't stand him.  Do not rate at all.

[Diamond_Jim 12,733]

Proverbial curates egg perhaps best describes yesterday's game.

Good in patches.

Then again Fritsch's mark is allowed and the two comedy capers like misses in the second quarter are goals and we have a 55 point win. Deduct two Brown goals for dubious frees and it is almost an 80 point thrashing.

Let's be honest North are not a good team and we should have won easier yesterday.

I posted on the match day thread that I thought we looked slow. Matthew Lloyd on 3AW made the same comment after the game. Other than Hunt who is sadly out of form who do we have that can provide the necessary explosive dash. As WJ mentions above perhaps it is one of this year's draft picks because I can't think of anyone else at Casey who fits the bill.

Same problem with the tall but at least we have two candidates in Weideman and Pedersen. Today's Casey game will be interesting. (1pm at Coburg for those who want to come along...lovely ground).

My take is no changes but then again like most others I have been badly amiss at guessing Goodwin's selection strategy  this season.

 

[Jibroni 5,048]

38 minutes ago, ProDee said:

The following won't happen, but it's what I'd like (assuming Weideman plays well today).

IN: Weideman, Hunt, Hannan

OUT: Neal-Bullen, Melksham, Bugg

Jetta  McDonald  Lever

Hunt  Frost  Hibberd

Lewis  Jones  Salem

Petracca  Hogan  Hannan

Garlett  Weideman  Fritsch

Gawn  Oliver  Tyson

Vince Kent Harmes Wagner

I'd love Brayshaw to be ready, but it appears he's going to be at Casey for a while.

I know Bugg won't be dropped, but I can't stand him.  Do not rate at all.

And when was the last time a guy kicked 4 goals and got dropped the following week? Ease up on Bugg.

Weed needs a least 2 games to prove himself before being considered.

[grey wolf 226]

I assume Goody will make at least one change just to keep the edge on the team and to provide a pathway for playing a cracker at Casey and that being the case from my game watching it would be either of ANB or Harmes to go (Melksham and Jetta get one more chance).

To come in would be a tall forward in the Weed if he does well today otherwise one of the Smiths... but not Pedo who will see out his contract at Cranbourne (the possible smoky could be King?)

Back 7

Lewis Jetta Wagner Hibberd Frost OMac Lever

Mid 6

Max Olly Jones Salem Tyson Vince

Front 5

Bugg Hogan Kent Trac Jeffy

Inter 4

Melksham ANB Fritsch....Weed or King or Smith or Smith (whomever plays best today)

[Demons11 7,129]

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Why? The bloke wasn't even an emergency this weekend.  

And who would you drop? Very hard to make changes to a side that wins by 6 goals. 

They made 2 changes last week after a 4 goal win.

[Gator 18,050]

4 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

Ease up on Bugg.

That, my friend, isn't going to happen.

[Diamond_Jim 12,733]

11 minutes ago, grey wolf said:

I assume Goody will make at least one change just to keep the edge on the team and to provide a pathway for playing a cracker at Casey and that being the case from my game watching it would be either of ANB or Harmes to go (Melksham and Jetta get one more chance).

To come in would be a tall forward in the Weed if he does well today otherwise one of the Smiths... but not Pedo who will see out his contract at Cranbourne (the possible smoky could be King?)

Back 7

Lewis Jetta Wagner Hibberd Frost OMac Lever

Mid 6

Max Olly Jones Salem Tyson Vince

Front 5

Bugg Hogan Kent Trac Jeffy

Inter 4

Melksham ANB Fritsch....Weed or King or Smith or Smith (whomever plays best today)

Past history shows you might be right but I think that all on this forum are barracking for Pedersen to challenge for a recall.

[The Chazz 4,077]

I really don't know why I read the "changes" thread each week.

I mean, people calling for the inclusions of the likes of Spargo, Smith x 2, Baker.  Then someone calling for a bloke that kicked 4 goals to be dropped, just because he doesn't like him.

Please.

 

[Demon Dynasty 17,135]

Melksham right on the fringe but NO changes needed for this week.  

The game plan against the Hawks requires a tweak to curb their diagonal overlap run off the back of the contest with numbers, always towards the inside corridor or across it if needed. 

Keep the exisiting winning formula and keep the focus of the whole crew on this next big shut down task, especially the HBs & Mids

Edited April 8, 2018 by Rusty Nails

[dimmy 1,308]

Jaydn Hunt was dropped because of form, so needs to earn his spot back.

Only change : Brayshaw for Melksham (account poor decision making and skill execution)

[leucopogon 1,519]

I concur that ANB and Melksham look to be the ones on shakiest ground. Hope Brayshaw and Hunt tear it up today.

[wheaters31 687]

With Puopolo, Rioli, Breust and Impey, we need pace in the back half next week. Hopefully Hunt has a good game today for Casey.

[Gator 18,050]

36 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

I really don't know why I read the "changes" thread each week.

I mean, people calling for the inclusions of the likes of Spargo, Smith x 2, Baker.  Then someone calling for a bloke that kicked 4 goals to be dropped, just because he doesn't like him.

Please.

 

I don't like him because of his football.  He's VFA quality.

[Gator 18,050]

40 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Past history shows you might be right but I think that all on this forum are barracking for Pedersen to challenge for a recall.

I want him to play well today, but I'll be happy if he doesn't play again for the MFC, because it will mean Weideman grabbed his chance and has developed to a level that demanded his inclusion.  Or McDonald has recovered from his injury.

I think Pedersen is arguably one the most overrated player by his own supporters.

[Diamond_Jim 12,733]

Our present game plan seems to substantially channel the Richmond game plan.

If so today's game between Hawks and Tigers will be a fascinating lesson in whether the scramble of Richmond  can overcome the precision of the Hawks.

A real pity that this is not the FTA broadcast game

[Bonkers 994]

23 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Our present game plan seems to substantially channel the Richmond game plan.

If so today's game between Hawks and Tigers will be a fascinating lesson in whether the scramble of Richmond  can overcome the precision of the Hawks.

A real pity that this is not the FTA broadcast game

We rely on our contested ball/inside ball winning and pressure to keep the game in our favour. There are a lot of calls for Pederson or Weideman but I'd rather keep the small line up. I think part of the reason Pederson is out is due to his lack of speed which can leave us even more exposed in transition or when trying to lock the ball inside 50. He's been average in the Ruck and around the ground also. If Tom McDonald was available I'd probably change the opinion of bringing in another tall as I think he brings more to the team, but Weideman and Pederson don't bring enough for mine at the moment.

Like you said our game is channelling the Tigers almost and there's nothing wrong with that. It's playing to our strength and as the Tigers showed in the GF it can nullify a more skilful and or quicker team when you get the game on your own terms. The problem is when a team like the Hawks who are very skilful and relatively quick can manage to match that intensity around the contest. Our inside mids will be really important next week.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,345]

I really want to see Bugg vs Sicily next week. Competition to see who can do the most undisciplined act.

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 4,084]

2 hours ago, ProDee said:

OUT: Neal-Bullen, Melksham, Bugg

[SFebes 4,884]

If we are picking players on form then Melksham is a definite out. In: Brayshaw or Hunt

[Dippy 17]

1 hour ago, The Chazz said:

I really don't know why I read the "changes" thread each week.

I mean, people calling for the inclusions of the likes of Spargo, Smith x 2, Baker.  Then someone calling for a bloke that kicked 4 goals to be dropped, just because he doesn't like him.

Please.

 

So true.

People on these threads always complaining about the same players bugg wagner harmes. People need to start watching the game before they comment.

So tried of every complaining about Brayshaw no playing. He's a fringe player and clearly not in our best 22. Just because he was a former pick 3, doesn't mean he's in our best team. 

[Adam The God 30,650]

3 hours ago, ProDee said:

The following won't happen, but it's what I'd like (assuming Weideman plays well today).

IN: Weideman, Hunt, Hannan

OUT: Neal-Bullen, Melksham, Bugg

Jetta  McDonald  Lever

Hunt  Frost  Hibberd

Lewis  Jones  Salem

Petracca  Hogan  Hannan

Garlett  Weideman  Fritsch

Gawn  Oliver  Tyson

Vince Kent Harmes Wagner

I'd love Brayshaw to be ready, but it appears he's going to be at Casey for a while.

I know Bugg won't be dropped, but I can't stand him.  Do not rate at all.

Agree with all this. And it's only a matter of time before Bugg's untidiness costs us a game.

I don't want him anywhere near the 22 come the back end of the season or finals.

Edited April 8, 2018 by A F

[rjay 25,387]

12 hours ago, rjay said:

I think Pedersen is done.

Weed is the option if he shows some form or we stay small until Tommy Mac is ready.

 

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Past history shows you might be right but I think that all on this forum are barracking for Pedersen to challenge for a recall.

 

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

I want him to play well today, but I'll be happy if he doesn't play again for the MFC, because it will mean Weideman grabbed his chance and has developed to a level that demanded his inclusion.  Or McDonald has recovered from his injury.

I think Pedersen is arguably one the most overrated player by his own supporters.

As I mentioned earlier, l think Pedders is done.

To expand on that, he's not good enough to play as a forward and his role is as a running ruck. The only time I can see him being considered for selection is as a replacement for Max.

Of course this is just my opinion but my reading of the tea leaves is that the FD experimented with Pedders as a key forward in the first 2 games & it didn't work.

So for now it's either Weed or carry on with small forwards until Tommy is ready.

I think & hope long term it's Weed...maybe just not yet.

[rjay 25,387]

3 hours ago, ProDee said:

The following won't happen, but it's what I'd like (assuming Weideman plays well today).

IN: Weideman, Hunt, Hannan

OUT: Neal-Bullen, Melksham, Bugg

Jetta  McDonald  Lever

Hunt  Frost  Hibberd

Lewis  Jones  Salem

Petracca  Hogan  Hannan

Garlett  Weideman  Fritsch

Gawn  Oliver  Tyson

Vince Kent Harmes Wagner

I'd love Brayshaw to be ready, but it appears he's going to be at Casey for a while.

I know Bugg won't be dropped, but I can't stand him.  Do not rate at all.

I feel the same with Frost, as a player of course.

Good VFL level athlete.