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5 minutes ago, picket fence said:

I am a big Frost fan, Frosty offers more run and is a bigger unit!. And yes Wagners Howlers are shockers!

Have you seen Frost kick from defence ?

If Vince is tagging, like I suspect, I'd much rather Wagner in the Vince kicking role than Frost.

Lewis and Vince are the kickers, Jetta lockdown, OMac and Lever the talls, and Hunt and Hibberd the runners.

For the role available (with Vince tagging) Wagner is a better choice over Frost.

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21 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Geez I must be the only one who likes Wagner as a player.

Come on Josh, give them hell on Sunday boi!

 

 

I’m with you mate I like Wagner he has a crack, I really hope he kills it now seems like he is the new whipping boy 

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IMV that is the most Shizzen Geelong outfit put on the park for many a year!

Who the hell is Esava Ratugolea?? Sounds like a planet or an exotic food!!

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I can't stand Wagner.

Look, his operas are very long but once you get the hang of it you'll never go back. You'll always say from that moment on he was one of the greatest geniuses who walked this earth..

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Exactly why I haven't even been excited about this year for a long time.. we'll lose matches through poor team selections.

I feel this will be no different.. hope I'm proven wrong.

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9 minutes ago, picket fence said:

IMV that is the most Shizzen Geelong outfit put on the park for many a year!

Who the hell is Esava Ratugolea?? Sounds like a planet or an exotic food!!

Eaava is a family friend of ours from a tiny town called Cobram.

Flashy player in the mould of NicNat

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17 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Brayshaw I can kind of understand. Either teeth (wisdoms can really knock you around), or there's a lingering question over his confidence after all the concussions.

Tyson? Who knows. Either he's still a bit underdone fitness/load-wise, or anyone's guess. Hot spot in a toe?

lol, shut up

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For what it's worth, these are Wagner's stats compared to Neville Jetta's for last year: (Not a whole lot of difference, to be honest - I thought he was a lot worse...)

Stats for Season     2017
Wagner                                                              Jetta
9         Games                                                     22
7.0      Kicks Per Game                                     6.9
8.9      Handballs Per Game                             7.5
15.9    Disposals Per Game                           14.3
2.3      Marks Per Game                                  4.3
2.8     Tackles Per Game                                3.1
1.1     Inside 50s Per Game                           0.3
0.4     Frees For Per Game                             0.9
0.3     Frees Against Per Game                    0.5
5.7     Contested Poss's Per Game              5.0
10.3     Uncontested Poss's Per Game       9.2
11.8     Effective Disposals Per Game       12.6
74.2%     Disposal Efficiency% Per Game   88.1%
2.0     Clangers Per Game                             1.4
0.3     Contested Marks Per Game              0.4
0.9     Rebound 50s Per Game                     1.7
2.2     One Percenters Per Game                 4.0
144.4     Metres Gained Per Game             121.6
2.7     Turnovers Per Game                          1.2
3.8     Intercepts Per Game                          5.9
0.6     Tackles Inside 50 Per Game             0.1
57.8     AFL Fantasy Score Per Game        60.9
57.3     Supercoach Score Per Game         67.7

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36 minutes ago, bing181 said:

It's not Wagner for Gus, they play different positions. It's Wagner vs Frost. We have to have at least one on the interchange who plays in the backline, so Wagner it is.

Not sure why it's hard.

I thought Frost was a backman. 

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11 minutes ago, Buffalo said:

For what it's worth, these are Wagner's stats compared to Neville Jetta's for last year: (Not a whole lot of difference, to be honest - I thought he was a lot worse...)

Stats for Season     2017
Wagner                                                              Jetta
9         Games                                                     22
7.0      Kicks Per Game                                     6.9
8.9      Handballs Per Game                             7.5
15.9    Disposals Per Game                           14.3
2.3      Marks Per Game                                  4.3
2.8     Tackles Per Game                                3.1
1.1     Inside 50s Per Game                           0.3
0.4     Frees For Per Game                             0.9
0.3     Frees Against Per Game                    0.5
5.7     Contested Poss's Per Game              5.0
10.3     Uncontested Poss's Per Game       9.2
11.8     Effective Disposals Per Game       12.6
74.2%     Disposal Efficiency% Per Game   88.1%
2.0     Clangers Per Game                             1.4
0.3     Contested Marks Per Game              0.4
0.9     Rebound 50s Per Game                     1.7
2.2     One Percenters Per Game                 4.0
144.4     Metres Gained Per Game             121.6
2.7     Turnovers Per Game                          1.2
3.8     Intercepts Per Game                          5.9
0.6     Tackles Inside 50 Per Game             0.1
57.8     AFL Fantasy Score Per Game        60.9
57.3     Supercoach Score Per Game         67.7

And after all those useless stats who out the 2 would you prefer to be in the backline? 

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Really surprised and not that happy. Gus’ omission must be fang related - no way could he have got up after that and Tyson must be not quite ready, fitness wise. Can’t say Maynard inspired confidence in the pre-season games - must be because he is a big unit that he was selected. I really hope to be proven wrong - which is not unusual.

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15 minutes ago, Buffalo said:

For what it's worth, these are Wagner's stats compared to Neville Jetta's for last year: (Not a whole lot of difference, to be honest - I thought he was a lot worse...)

Stats for Season     2017
Wagner                                                              Jetta
9         Games                                                     22
7.0      Kicks Per Game                                     6.9
8.9      Handballs Per Game                             7.5
15.9    Disposals Per Game                           14.3
2.3      Marks Per Game                                  4.3
2.8     Tackles Per Game                                3.1
1.1     Inside 50s Per Game                           0.3
0.4     Frees For Per Game                             0.9
0.3     Frees Against Per Game                    0.5
5.7     Contested Poss's Per Game              5.0
10.3     Uncontested Poss's Per Game       9.2
11.8     Effective Disposals Per Game       12.6
74.2%     Disposal Efficiency% Per Game   88.1%
2.0     Clangers Per Game                             1.4
0.3     Contested Marks Per Game              0.4
0.9     Rebound 50s Per Game                     1.7
2.2     One Percenters Per Game                 4.0
144.4     Metres Gained Per Game             121.6
2.7     Turnovers Per Game                          1.2
3.8     Intercepts Per Game                          5.9
0.6     Tackles Inside 50 Per Game             0.1
57.8     AFL Fantasy Score Per Game        60.9
57.3     Supercoach Score Per Game         67.7

Wagner is a whole 14% worse with the ball in hand, Avgs 1.5 more turnovers, 2 Less interceptions, 2 Less 1%'ers and 2 Less marks. Yet averages more meters gained in a side with Hibberd and Hunt. 

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31 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Have you seen Frost kick from defence ?

If Vince is tagging, like I suspect, I'd much rather Wagner in the Vince kicking role than Frost.

Lewis and Vince are the kickers, Jetta lockdown, OMac and Lever the talls, and Hunt and Hibberd the runners.

For the role available (with Vince tagging) Wagner is a better choice over Frost.

We don't really have great kicking 'kick in' options do we.  It's a serious weakness IMO outside of Nev.  Vince will almost always go long to the boundary (right hand flank) and I would suspect most teams would be well prepared for this as soon as they see ball in hand now.   If he changes up and decides to go short I'm closing my eyes.  Wagner I just haven't seen enough of in this role yet to judge.  Watts was pretty much the only consistent kick in I would have trusted to find targets (short &a medium) consistently in this role (when charged with the task).

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23 minutes ago, Buffalo said:

For what it's worth, these are Wagner's stats compared to Neville Jetta's for last year: (Not a whole lot of difference, to be honest - I thought he was a lot worse...)

Stats for Season     2017
Wagner                                                              Jetta
9         Games                                                     22
7.0      Kicks Per Game                                     6.9
8.9      Handballs Per Game                             7.5
15.9    Disposals Per Game                           14.3
2.3      Marks Per Game                                  4.3
2.8     Tackles Per Game                                3.1
1.1     Inside 50s Per Game                           0.3
0.4     Frees For Per Game                             0.9
0.3     Frees Against Per Game                    0.5
5.7     Contested Poss's Per Game              5.0
10.3     Uncontested Poss's Per Game       9.2
11.8     Effective Disposals Per Game       12.6
74.2%     Disposal Efficiency% Per Game   88.1%
2.0     Clangers Per Game                             1.4
0.3     Contested Marks Per Game              0.4
0.9     Rebound 50s Per Game                     1.7
2.2     One Percenters Per Game                 4.0
144.4     Metres Gained Per Game             121.6
2.7     Turnovers Per Game                          1.2
3.8     Intercepts Per Game                          5.9
0.6     Tackles Inside 50 Per Game             0.1
57.8     AFL Fantasy Score Per Game        60.9
57.3     Supercoach Score Per Game         67.7

Buffalo sorry but there's a fair degree of difference in some of those that has Nev a fair way (albeit not miles) ahead at this point

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36 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

Wagner is a whole 14% worse with the ball in hand, Avgs 1.5 more turnovers, 2 Less interceptions, 2 Less 1%'ers and 2 Less marks. Yet averages more meters gained in a side with Hibberd and Hunt. 

Might be kicking longer up the line in general and not finding as many targets, targets on the 45 or looking for the switch as much as Nev MurDoc.  Just pontificating though.

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I can only surmise that the selection committee aren’t convinced that Tyson and Brayshaw are fully fit and are being given the chance to be fully fit for round 2. I like Wagner attitude but he is a turnover king and it’s not just half a meter short turnovers, he does grubby chaos kicks that are impossible to predict. He did them in both JLT matches I watched. 

Prove me wrong Wags. 

Starting 18 I’m happy with, I’m just really worried about our depth on the bench. 

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40 minutes ago, dieter said:

Look, his operas are very long but once you get the hang of it you'll never go back. You'll always say from that moment on he was one of the greatest geniuses who walked this earth..

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2 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

No problem with Wagner, but why isn't Tyson and Brayshaw starting? considering we are down Viney, i figure we'd need all the midfielders we can get.

Speed and cleanliness of ball movement on the outside maybe MD.  Maybe thinking we can cover the inside adequately with Jones, Clarey & cameos from Vince / Tracc / Lewis (to a lessor degree).  *Just realised Maynard is in also.... 

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Some on this site have Lever on Hawkins but that would be a blunder!! Wagner on Hawkins would be Suicide!

Why Frost isn't playing in place of Wagner mystifies me!

 We’re paying how much money for a bloke that can’t deal with Tom Hawkins? Come off it...

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    5 Alex Neal-Bullen 27
    6 Clayton Oliver 23
    7 Jake Lever 22
    8 Trent Rivers 20
    9 Bayley Fritsch 19
    =10 Ed Langdon 15
    =10 Judd McVee 15

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