Match Preview and Team Selection - Round 1

[Demons11 7,007]

3 minutes ago, Juicebox said:

 We’re paying how much money for a bloke that can’t deal with Tom Hawkins? Come off it...

What’s money got to do with it?? They recruited him as an intercept backmen not someone who can play on Hawkins 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

49 minutes ago, Buffalo said:

For what it's worth, these are Wagner's stats compared to Neville Jetta's for last year: (Not a whole lot of difference, to be honest - I thought he was a lot worse...)

Stats for Season     2017
Wagner                                                              Jetta
9         Games                                                     22
7.0      Kicks Per Game                                     6.9
8.9      Handballs Per Game                             7.5
15.9    Disposals Per Game                           14.3
2.3      Marks Per Game                                  4.3
2.8     Tackles Per Game                                3.1
1.1     Inside 50s Per Game                           0.3
0.4     Frees For Per Game                             0.9
0.3     Frees Against Per Game                    0.5
5.7     Contested Poss's Per Game              5.0
10.3     Uncontested Poss's Per Game       9.2
11.8     Effective Disposals Per Game       12.6
74.2%     Disposal Efficiency% Per Game   88.1%
2.0     Clangers Per Game                             1.4
0.3     Contested Marks Per Game              0.4
0.9     Rebound 50s Per Game                     1.7
2.2     One Percenters Per Game                 4.0
144.4     Metres Gained Per Game             121.6
2.7     Turnovers Per Game                          1.2
3.8     Intercepts Per Game                          5.9
0.6     Tackles Inside 50 Per Game             0.1
57.8     AFL Fantasy Score Per Game        60.9
57.3     Supercoach Score Per Game         67.7

Not sure why you would compare the stats of a lock down defender against an attacking one. Different roles. I like Wagner but it really highlights how far he needs to improve.

[CityDee 738]

Im sure the coaches have their reasons but I cant understand why Maynard over Tyson . 

Brayshaw must be sore so ok get that but Maynard hasnt shown anything and probably needed to attack things harder in the jlt if thats his go . 

[RalphiusMaximus 6,046]

Maynard is a like for like swap with Viney.  Not as good, but very similar game.  I guess they wanted the extractor. 

[CHF 2,735]

I do not mind the bench selections. I like Maynard in, I think he is going to develop well and it will be interesting to see how he goes after the off season development. Wagner selection is obviously contentious but it may be that the coaching panel have a very clearly defined role for him to play in the game against Geelong. I look forward to seeing how this unfolds on  Sunday.

Melksham's selection, of course, there is no argument with.

With Hannan, I can see a purpose in the selection but would have gone with either Brayshaw (if his teeth allow) or Tyson (if he is fully match fit) in his place as I think it would give a bit more flexibility. Mind you, both of these have been named as emergencies so I would assume they are game ready.

 

[faultydet 7,594]

Christ I hate watching Wagner play, waiting for the inevitable turnover because of zero situational awareness.

 

Mystified.

 

[Demons11 7,007]

Just now, faultydet said:

Christ I hate watching Wagner play, waiting for the inevitable turnover because of zero situational awareness.

 

Mystified.

 

Players improve, give the kid a chance. 

I remember Jones in his first 5 years use to turn it over more than anyone. 

[faultydet 7,594]

1 minute ago, Demons11 said:

Players improve, give the kid a chance. 

I remember Jones in his first 5 years use to turn it over more than anyone. 

Ive been confused about this bloke in particular since his first game, and as much as I look for positives regarding development, I just cant see anything in Wagner. I don't understand his selection at all.

[binman 42,896]

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

Round one you need 100% fit and ready players. Tyson hasn’t played since his injury and Gus had his Op a few days ago. 

Whats the big surprise?

if Wagner gets a run of 10+ games without injury he will surprise a few around here

Yep, spot on. Goody has said he will pick his fittest side. And why not? You have near a full list at this time of year and players always blow up in the first few rounds. 

Tyson not fully fit or gus after surgery. Logical to leave them out.

Maynard and wagner on the other hand have had perfect ore seasons and both are cherry ripe.

And the coach loves both wagner and maynard. 

By the by i really rate wagner and agree he might surprise some if he can get a run of games together. He's a really good kick who when down on confidence makes some bad mistakes. Will be damaging if he gets a good block of games

[rolling fog 1,207]

On 3/22/2018 at 9:03 AM, Clint Bizkit said:

This week the two teams are playing for the Grgic-Gillies Cup.

 

Thought it was the Bizzell - Rivers cup...

[Demonland 72,155]

 

[layzie 33,793]

Why is Wagner in? His selection makes about as much sense as nothing.

[Hot as Hell 466]

3 minutes ago, layzie said:

Why is Wagner in? His selection makes about as much sense as nothing.

Goody wants to find out whether we have the depth we think we have, or not. 

If you can train the house down in summer, you get a gig in autumn. All turnovers under pressure are just part of development. 

[goodwindees 2,488]

Why is Tyson as emergency a surprise?  Many on here have said for some time that we won’t be a serious competitor until players with the limitations of Tyson’s disposal & one-sidedness and Bugg’s disposal, particularly goal conversion are seen as simply depth players. 

 

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30 minutes ago, layzie said:

Why is Wagner in? His selection makes about as much sense as nothing.

Maybe Goody hears Ride of the Valkyries every time he sees the name 'Wagner' in front of him.

Edited March 23, 2018 by Doodle Dee

[Juicebox 628]

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

What’s money got to do with it?? They recruited him as an intercept backmen not someone who can play on Hawkins 

What’s money got to do with it?? He’s close to our highest paid player on the list. He’s tall. Plays in the backline. I’d expect him to be able to handle any forward in the comp.

 

”what’s money got to do with it??”

Don’t be so naive.

[Demons11 7,007]

1 minute ago, Juicebox said:

What’s money got to do with it?? He’s close to our highest paid player on the list. He’s tall. Plays in the backline. I’d expect him to be able to handle any forward in the comp.

 

”what’s money got to do with it??”

Don’t be so naive.

So because he is on big money, he should be able to play every role in a team.

May as well take Gawns spot then 

[DemonWheels 1,055]

Agree with those that suggest the final Rd1 team reflects the fittest available - not necessarily a ‘best 22’.

After watching last nights game I can understand why - given the intensity of the match.

But at the same time we’ve kept in 2 players that probably need the extra time and ‘step’ with the footy more than most in our squad. They both might get there one day but they lack the experience and in some ways, natural ability of those left out.

Interesting call but I hope it pays off. Don’t really trust either of them with ball in hand so the final selections have made me a little worried!

[Hot as Hell 466]

2 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

So because he is on big money, he should be able to play every role in a team.

May as well take Gawns spot then 

We are supposed to have another "tall" in the backline. 

Interesting how he seems to miracously side steps any form of objective scrutiny. Lever now covering his back and copping flak for doing it as well. 

Hawkins will kick 4.4 and one or two out on the full. Lucky for the unnamed backman Tom can't kick. 

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Reminds me of the start of last season where we lost games at the selection table.

Wagner is a liability. He misses tackles and turns it over too often.

I also question how we're going to curb the strength of Hawkins. I don't think O.Mc can take him, and Lever will be best when given more opportunity to leave his man to intercept. Frost over Wagner would have been a much better option.

Maynard over Brayshaw and Tyson is question. But so are the selections of Lewis and Vince. Those two need to be accountable for their actions and be placed under the microscope this year; I'm sick of their instant and free selection.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, CityDee said:

Im sure the coaches have their reasons but I cant understand why Maynard over Tyson . 

Brayshaw must be sore so ok get that but Maynard hasnt shown anything and probably needed to attack things harder in the jlt if thats his go . 

Because Maynard has more potential upside than TS Tyson?  And will probably be asked to work the inside a little more with Viney out to assist the likes of Jones & Clarry.  Early days for Maynard so will need more than one match before judging however.  Hope he gets a good 3 games to settle before being cut too early.

[rolling fog 1,207]

I'm not going to neg any Rd. 1 selections for fear of being proven wrong on Sunday and there's still so many unknowns that come with a new season.

To suggest that Tyson's exclusion is related to a camp which was meant to take place in December, and it now being March is fanciful. Have his training standards not been up to scratch since then? I have no idea. But often the most plausible explanation is the correct one - he strained his calf only a few weeks ago and he's loads were scaled down for a period and he'll be cherry ripe by Easter.

Also, typical from MFC Media - that video told me nothing I didn't already know.

[Demons11 7,007]

11 minutes ago, Hot as Hell said:

We are supposed to have another "tall" in the backline. 

Interesting how he seems to miracously side steps any form of objective scrutiny. Lever now covering his back and copping flak for doing it as well. 

Hawkins will kick 4.4 and one or two out on the full. Lucky for the unnamed backman Tom can't kick. 

O Mac will towel him up 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

3 hours ago, Drunkn167 said:

Don't forget Tyson had a limited preseason and Wagner has Impressed a lot so the coaches will give him a few chances 

He must be burning up the track because any time he's played an actual game he hasn't been much chop.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

4 hours ago, DubDee said:

Round one you need 100% fit and ready players. Tyson hasn’t played since his injury and Gus had his Op a few days ago. 

Whats the big surprise?

if Wagner gets a run of 10+ games without injury he will surprise a few around here

Didn't Tyson play JLT vs Saints? Could be mistaken but I thought he did.