Changes vs Freo

[Ted Lasso 16,856]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

My opinion Omac stays in, alright some of the changes put forward border on farcical 

Which specifically do you think are borderline farcical saty? 

Really interested to hear you defend your ideas beyond "the coaches know better" 

[Lucifers Hero 37,152]

28 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

If the club weren't sure then they would say 'we need to wait on the scans' or something like that.  They wouldn't be talking about a timelines if they needed to check it out.  You can tell if it's a strain or a tear without needing a scan.

That is what Goodwin said more or less: "We'll get him assessed and get the full results tomorrow (Sunday). The medical team have done a terrific job with our group over a couple of years now so it'll be a standard four weeks and hopefully get him back as quick as we can."

I wasn't saying it won't be a month, just saying that Max didn't sound optimistic in his interview earlier today.

[JV7 2,339]

Club just released a statement to say Gawn will see a surgeon monday on whether he needs surgery... Does not sound good

Edited April 9, 2017 by JV7

[GawnWithTheWind 604]

12 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

That is what Goodwin said more or less: "We'll get him assessed and get the full results tomorrow (Sunday). The medical team have done a terrific job with our group over a couple of years now so it'll be a standard four weeks and hopefully get him back as quick as we can."

I wasn't saying it won't be a month, just saying that Max didn't sound optimistic in his interview earlier today.

Meeting a surgeon on Monday. He's gone for a few months now... it's not just a simple strain.

[Guest]

Just now, JV7 said:

KiClub just released a statement to say Gawn will see a surgeon monday on whether he needs surgery... Does not sound good

Yep, sounds like he's damaged the tendon. Could be 8+.

[Mr Steve 3,820]

UPDATE | Max Gawn will see a surgeon on Monday to determine whether he needs surgery on his hamstring.

 

Hope it's not worse 

[brendan 3,390]

Yep not great news, spencer is a Monty now but if he goes down we are in serious trouble 

[dazzledavey36 48,881]

Having been through hamstring tears and strains myself usually it has taken me 4 to 6 weeks to get back and thats with a tear only. But because its tendon related thats potentially a 8 to 12 week stint unfortunately. Tendons are the level above tearing your hammy which no one wants.

Think its time to giddy up Pencil..

[Lucifers Hero 37,152]

52 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

If the club weren't sure then they would say 'we need to wait on the scans' or something like that.  They wouldn't be talking about a timelines if they needed to check it out.  You can tell if it's a strain or a tear without needing a scan.

 

20 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

That is what Goodwin said more or less: "We'll get him assessed and get the full results tomorrow (Sunday). The medical team have done a terrific job with our group over a couple of years now so it'll be a standard four weeks and hopefully get him back as quick as we can."

I wasn't saying it won't be a month, just saying that Max didn't sound optimistic in his interview earlier today.

 

7 minutes ago, JV7 said:

Club just released a statement to say Gawn will see a surgeon monday on whether he needs surgery... Does not sound good

Wise, this post justifies Max's pessimism in the interview.

Edit: Club statement:

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-04-09/gawn-set-to-see-surgeon-for-injury

“At this stage, it’s too early to determine the exact length of time that Max will miss, however with the tendon involvement, we expect his recovery to be longer than your traditional hamstring injury.” 

Edited April 9, 2017 by Lucifer's Hero

[hemingway 7,597]

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Having been through hamstring tears and strains myself usually it has taken me 4 to 6 weeks to get back and thats with a tear only. But because its tendon related thats potentially a 8 to 12 week stint unfortunately. Tendons are the level above tearing your hammy which no one wants.

Think its time to giddy up Pencil..

Surgery could mean season, certainly a minimum of 8-12w as you suggest. Rotten luck. We will need to reinvent ourselves without Max. 

[Lucifers Hero 37,152]

Max wasn't even at full stretch but has done serious damage, it seems.

I blame the Etihad turf!

We may have beaten the hoodoo but it is still a terrible paddock to play on!

[Little Goffy 12,640]

Injured Gawn out for Spencer, obviously.

Players in danger, as I reckon it, would be Tyson, Vince, Hannan and Weidemann.

Obviously there's the little collection of Bugg, Kennedy and Brayshaw competing to come in.

What's the situation with Pederson? Surely it is his time to shine?

[monoccular 16,142]

36 minutes ago, JV7 said:

Club just released a statement to say Gawn will see a surgeon monday on whether he needs surgery... Does not sound good

Nothing ever is certain, though everyone who sees a surgeon does not necessarily need nor have surgery.  

[whatwhat say what 19,094]

look, suffice to say, we can expect spencer to be #1 ruck for a morr significant length of the season than ever anticipated.

Edited April 9, 2017 by DemonAndrew

[brendan 3,390]

Gawn is a massive loss, how big we won't know till we play I guess, spencer is competitive though so should go ok, big couple weeks coming up we will see what we are made of 

[Binmans PA 26,232]

This is going to read as a little weird, but I actually think for the long term development and benefit of the team, Gawn's injury in 2017 is actually a massive chance to test some things. Not just personnel, but game plan, game style and our coaching. 

Much prefer it happen this year, than when we're in our window and heavily reliant on Gawn to get us a flag, having never been truly tested without him.

This year is now about developing ways to win without him and developing role players right the way through the list. It's Spencer's turn now.

If you look at the injuries to the Eagles key backs a few years back that ensured they had to stick rigorously to their defensive 'system' (the so-called 'Web'), they were able to unearth some brilliant role players and intercept markers.

There are countless other examples of players going down injured, leading to a team's increased depth and development.

This should be seen as a great challenge and a perfect development opportunity.

Great test for Goody in his first year too. Bit of a baptism of fire. I think he'll be fine. He's an innovator. 

Edited April 9, 2017 by A F

[dl4e 5,593]

Spencil in for Gawn. I think the weed needs some casey time and I don't really think Hannan has got  the goods. I'd bring Brayshaw back in and either Pederson  or Frost.

Buggs disposal is poor but he does have a go and kennedy harris is another consderation.

[Mr Steve 3,820]

Only have to look to last year to see a club rise above season ending injures. 

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Spencer to come out in the media and say he wants to be AA ruckman in 2017. Shocks the league and gets there. Then we trade him to Freo with our 1st rounder for Fyfe. Everyone wins.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

5 minutes ago, A F said:

This is going to read as a little weird, but I actually think for the long term development and benefit of the team, Gawn's injury in 2017 is actually a massive chance to test some things. Not just personnel, but game plan, game style and our coaching. 

Much prefer it happen this year, than when we're in our window and heavily reliant on Gawn to get us a flag, having never been truly tested without him.

This year is now about developing ways to win without him and developing role players right the way through the list. It's Spencer's turn now.

If you look at the injuries to the Eagles key backs a few years back that ensured they had to stick rigorously to their defensive 'system' (the so-called 'Web'), they were able to unearth some brilliant role players and intercept markers.

There are countless other examples of players going down injured, leading to a team's increased depth and development.

This should be seen as a great challenge and a perfect development opportunity.

Great test for Goody in his first year too. Bit of a baptism of fire. I think he'll be fine. He's an innovator. 

Yup.

Another aspect. If you HAVE to have Max miss 8-12 weeks, then the time is now. Our draw up to the bye is way easier than after the bye. Also, I trust spencer as  a starting ruck playing 80% game time in the guts. No problem there for me. It's only when he's the second ruck resting forward that I think he's a liability.

And to continue your point, we have the deepest injury list going round right now with heaps of starting 22 out. After a massively lucky season last year for injury, I'm thrilled we still put together 30 scoring shots against a definite top 4 side. I choose to see this as glass half full.

[What 18,810]

One player doesn't make a team.  As great as Gawn is, it should not stop our march to the finals.

He will be back, in the meantime lets keep WINNING.

[Binmans PA 26,232]

9 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Yup.

Another aspect. If you HAVE to have Max miss 8-12 weeks, then the time is now. Our draw up to the bye is way easier than after the bye. Also, I trust spencer as  a starting ruck playing 80% game time in the guts. No problem there for me. It's only when he's the second ruck resting forward that I think he's a liability.

And to continue your point, we have the deepest injury list going round right now with heaps of starting 22 out. After a massively lucky season last year for injury, I'm thrilled we still put together 30 scoring shots against a definite top 4 side. I choose to see this as glass half full.

I have heard this from Collingwood supporters for the last few years. If we want to be contenders next year and counting, we need to brush this off and keep moving forward.

[Satyriconhome 9,986]

2 hours ago, Abe said:

Which specifically do you think are borderline farcical saty? 

Really interested to hear you defend your ideas beyond "the coaches know better" 

Demonland is Demonland   if we win we have a team of world beaters, if we lose wholesale changes are called for   apart from the scapegoat who at the moment is Omac   put before I don't care who is in the team  as long as they have a crack   thought everybody put in so apart from Gawn why change   although FD may think differently

[The heart beats true 16,239]

While the news about Maxy isn't great I'm thrilled for the big Spencil. I really hope the boys get around him and remind him of the hard work he's done. He hasn't dropped his head when Max surpassed him - instead he puts his hand up very high in the off season and gave the club a lot to think about.

Go big fella. Knock em out of your way!

[Wiseblood 24,636]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

 

 

Wise, this post justifies Max's pessimism in the interview.

Edit: Club statement:

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-04-09/gawn-set-to-see-surgeon-for-injury

“At this stage, it’s too early to determine the exact length of time that Max will miss, however with the tendon involvement, we expect his recovery to be longer than your traditional hamstring injury.” 

I stand slightly corrected.  Hopefully it's not too many more weeks than the 4 they first suggested it would be.