THE BOMBERS' DOPING SAGA - THE FAT LADY SINGS

[Willmoy1947 4,104]

We get a Flag and i'm out of here. I also will support Bocci and Chianti, and if there is anything left, I might build a house close to Imperia....

[Moonshadow 17,676]

1 hour ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Horse racing is more legit

As are the Russian winter olympians

Edited March 6, 2018 by Moonshadow

[Clintosaurus 7,852]

7 hours ago, jnrmac said:

The bitterness stems from the deal which was agreed between EFC, AFL and Fed Govt and for which they received a draft letter from Gillard. This was rescinded or not proceeded with when Hird heard about the Cronulla deal and wanted similar

I'm pretty sure the NRL got wind of the deal as a deal was not offered to Cronulla and the Government had to back out. Essendon were later offered the same deal as Cronulla but were too arrogant to accept.

Edited March 6, 2018 by Clintosaurus

[Macca 17,020]

1 hour ago, biggestred said:

The question is - are they dodgy because they test lots and get lots of positives

Or

Are they less dodgy because they test lots and find more drug cheats than a sport like, say, soccer which has less than token testing and very few positive tests as a result?

I favour the latter argument 'br' ...

The risk of being caught using PED's is much much higher for a sportsperson in a sport that has stringent drug testing.  Would-be cheats in sports where there is token testing are virtually free to do as they please. 

Transparency has a cost when it comes to stringent testing ... the more that get caught has the effect of turning people off that sport.  So to keep the customers happy,  just do the token testing.  Works a treat.

Edited March 6, 2018 by Macca

[daisycutter 29,627]

AFL threatens ASADA split if key documents in Essendon drugs saga are made public

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/afl-threatens-asada-split-if-key-documents-in-essendon-drugs-saga-are-made-public/news-story/e8b5e268a18fe41fc49734036660d258

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THE AFL has threatened to cut ties with Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority drug testers if key documents in the Essendon supplements saga are made public.

The bombshell move, which could jeopardise millions of dollars in federal government funding for the league, was signalled in an affidavit filed by AFL integrity unit chief Tony Keane in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal last Friday.

The AFL has joined ASADA in fighting a Freedom of Information request made by a member of the public seeking access to doping control forms 

 

 

[whatwhat say what 22,783]

no way the afl will split from asada if it means they stop getting all the govt funding that is a requirement for asada agreement

[Sir Why You Little 37,054]

14 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

AFL threatens ASADA split if key documents in Essendon drugs saga are made public

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/afl-threatens-asada-split-if-key-documents-in-essendon-drugs-saga-are-made-public/news-story/e8b5e268a18fe41fc49734036660d258

 

Cool ? They must be seriously juicy documents

The AFL won’t split from ASADA. Too much money ? from the Federal Reserve would dry up. 

Still so much we don’t know about Essendrug...

line in the sand ASADA

[markc 975]

what are they hiding THIS TIME 

 

[daisycutter 29,627]

still think it is a fishing exercise to embarrass certain afl execs

[Fork 'em 6,984]

Getting some bites too.

 

[Lucifers Hero 40,005]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

AFL threatens ASADA split if key documents in Essendon drugs saga are made public

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/afl-threatens-asada-split-if-key-documents-in-essendon-drugs-saga-are-made-public/news-story/e8b5e268a18fe41fc49734036660d258

I cant get behind the paywall but the headline contradicts the quoted text which says:  The AFL has joined ASADA in fighting a Freedom of Information request made by a member of the public seeking access to doping control forms 

Why would the AFL side with ASADA to fight release of info and at the same time threaten to spilt from ASADA if info is released.  Is there something in the article that explains the apparent contradiction?  If not pretty dumb of the HS to run with it.

Anyway, who is the AFL supposedly threatening?  It is up to the courts to decide what to released.   

A confused and not very logical person wrote that headline - Robbo perhaps?

 

Edited March 13, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[Ouch! 2,266]

Presume they are threatening to split from ASADA if ASADA is unable to prevent the FoI request through the courts. Essentially fighting along side them, but saying if it fails, we will part ways so that such a thing can't happen ever again...

EDIT: An FoI request can only be made to a Govt agency I believe? or possibly to an organisation that receives public money to fund it's operations. Can't quite remember the details.

 

Edited March 13, 2018 by Ouch!

[beelzebub 23,380]

I read it as a childish ambit gamble. The AFL is using this as either leverage or a 'reason' it should leave ASADAS overseeing. The Great Dil cant stand that it's not really his bst and ball. Has there ever been such a lacklustre fool in charge of this game ? I wonder.

Gil isnt really in this world...just his own delusional kindergarten.

[Moonshadow 17,676]

Wouldn't it be brilliant if the FOI request was successful?

[hemingway 7,630]

6 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I read it as a childish ambit gamble. The AFL is using this as either leverage or a 'reason' it should leave ASADAS overseeing. The Great Dil cant stand that it's not really his bst and ball. Has there ever been such a lacklustre fool in charge of this game ? I wonder.

Gil isnt really in this world...just his own delusional kindergarten.

Unfortunately, the lackluster fool is making a lot of money and will end up a very rich man. 

Whilst, the huge revenues continue to flow into AFL coffers, Gil is as safe as houses. 

[old dee 23,801]

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

Unfortunately, the lackluster fool is making a lot of money and will end up a very rich man. 

Whilst, the huge revenues continue to flow into AFL coffers, Gil is as safe as houses. 

Sadly yes Ernest the old boys club is showing no signs of any cracks.

[Cards13 9,117]

5 hours ago, Ouch! said:

Presume they are threatening to split from ASADA if ASADA is unable to prevent the FoI request through the courts. Essentially fighting along side them, but saying if it fails, we will part ways so that such a thing can't happen ever again...

EDIT: An FoI request can only be made to a Govt agency I believe? or possibly to an organisation that receives public money to fund it's operations. Can't quite remember the details.

 

Blackmailing ASADA, a gov body? God I hope the FOI is successful, but it won’t be.

[Ouch! 2,266]

I guess it depends how much money the AFL gets from the Fed Govt to conform to the WADA code.... if it's a couple of mil... the AFL can just cut back on some of the funding to the Gold Coast and Brisbane, and wear it.... however if the AFL was penalised through other means such as fed gov funding for grounds, sporting complexes and training facilities, perhaps it's a bit of a harsher pill to swallow.

[TRIGON 4,788]

A pipe-dream I know, but wouldn’t it be great if the end result of all this was a new regime who acted in the best interests of the game,  the players, and the grassroots communities that support it.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,084]

Seriously, you could not make this crap up. First, an ambit claim to sue the AFL on behalf of Essendon, for "deceptive and misleading conduct". Must have had a serious irony bypass to even contemplate that. Second, the claimants seem to be getting legal advice of the same quality as James Hird ("Tiny chance of success, even if everything goes our way --- so what are we waiting for?"). Third, the AFL's conduct, including lack of support for ASADA and the laughably stupid verdict delivered by the AFL Tribunal (which ASADA appealed against to WADA, and won), was one of the major reasons that there was no smoking gun found at Tullamarine (although there was something that looked like a smoking gun, and smelt like a smoking gun, and felt like a smoking gun, but that everyone in the room swore was actually an elephant, because there was a sticky label on it that said "Elephant"). Fourth, the AFL are dumb enough to threaten splitting from ASADA (as if!) if certain documents come to light, which makes it apparent to Blind Freddy's dead cat that the AFL have something to hide. Surely that same dead cat could work out that the smart thing to do is to keep quiet and let the nongs who brought the case eventually come to the startling conclusion that this is a grand waste of time, energy and (lots of) money.

Sounds like there is an opera  or two in that lot, or perhaps a mini-series. Pass the popcorn, and whose shout is it anyway?

 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,905]

I don’t think threats could come any emptier than the AFL’s threat to ASADA. 

[biggestred 5,108]

The afl are still protecting themselves by protecting essendon.

Because NO ONE wants the full story to get out.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

9 hours ago, Red and Bluebeard said:

Seriously, you could not make this crap up. First, an ambit claim to sue the AFL on behalf of Essendon, for "deceptive and misleading conduct". Must have had a serious irony bypass to even contemplate that.

This is the mental damage caused by supporting Essendon. Guy probably spends all his time giggling uncontrollably.

 

9 hours ago, Red and Bluebeard said:

Sounds like there is an opera  or two in that lot, or perhaps a mini-series.

Reckon the ancient Greeks already did it. It's the one where everyone dies in the end.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Vlad would have shut up and let it pass.

Gil should do the same, but couldn't stop his reflex reaction to someone having any hold or sway over the AFL. He resents ASADA and would like to stick it to them. In olden times, we called it cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[sue 9,107]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/mar/15/fremantle-offer-james-hird-way-back-into-afl-coaching

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