Jesse Hogan re-signs to end of Season 2019

[TGR 1,367]

On 05/10/2016 at 1:23 AM, faultydet said:

I wasn't asking about Boyd. One hit wonder thus far, although in a game that cements his "legend" for all time.

 

You said some unkind things about Hogan, and I was wondering what your thoughts were on him re-signing, given that you sold all of his stocks at a bargain price.

I thought I cashed in on selling Hogan at a high price to many of you.  When all of you salivated squared.  Done the same with Jordan Lewis.  You guys are Alan Bond with rose coloured glasses.  Kerry Packer said there was only one Alan Bond transaction in a lifetime; not here.

 

Lynch and Daniher have flown past him...I think that is well accepted.  Hogan will have his days, but only when the moons align.  Can't build a flag tilt around that.

 

 

 

pTGR

 

[Goodvibes 3,596]

6 minutes ago, TGR said:

I thought I cashed in on selling Hogan at a high price to many of you.  When all of you salivated squared.  Done the same with Jordan Lewis.  You guys are Alan Bond with rose coloured glasses.  Kerry Packer said there was only one Alan Bond transaction in a lifetime; not here.

 

Lynch and Daniher have flown past him...I think that is well accepted.  Hogan will have his days, but only when the moons align.  Can't build a flag tilt around that.

 

 

 

pTGR

 

Your reference to Daniher speaks volumes. Daniher's emergence in his fourth season, should provide a lesson regarding writing off young key position forwards. If his stocks are low this week, I'm happy to load up.

[poita 3,902]

Daniher has his one good game of the year and he has gone past Hogan? Hogan is still a year behind Daniher in development and his stats are every bit the equal of Daniher. Jesse needs to get his head on straight, but I'll still back him over Daniher.

Player Statistics Comparison   Jesse Hogan Name Joe Daniher Melbourne Demons Team Essendon Bombers Forward Position Forward 44 Career Games 75 Claremont Origin Calder Cannons February 12, 1995 Date of Birth March 4, 1994 22yr 2mth Age 23yr 1mth 195cm Height 200cm 100kg Weight 95kg 2012 Mini Draft Last Drafted In 2012 National Draft Round 1, Pick #2 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #10 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Essendon Bombers 2017 Stats for Season 2017 3 Games 5 13.0 Kicks Per Game 9.8 4.7 Handballs Per Game 5.6 17.7 Disposals Per Game 15.4 6.3 Marks Per Game 7.2 2.0 Goals Per Game 2.4 1.3 Behinds Per Game 2.0 1.7 Tackles Per Game 0.6 0 Hitouts Per Game 4.0 3.7 Inside 50s Per Game 3.0 0 Goal Assists Per Game 1.0 1.0 Frees For Per Game 0.8 1.0 Frees Against Per Game 1.0 6.3 Contested Possessions Per Game 4.4 11.3 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 10.6 11.7 Effective Disposals Per Game 10.4 66.1% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 67.5% 2.3 Clangers Per Game 2.2 1.3 Contested Marks Per Game 1.0 2.0 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 3.0 1.0 Clearances Per Game 0.8 0.7 Rebound 50s Per Game 0.6 1.3 One Percenters Per Game 1.4 0 Bounces Per Game 0.6 91.3 Time On Ground % Per Game 90.6 $495,000 AFL Fantasy Price $448,000 85.3 AFL Fantasy Score Per Game 82.8 $423,100 Supercoach Price $376,800 85.3 Supercoach Score Per Game 82.2

[Sir Why You Little 37,153]

Hogan has much of his game to work on but i still reckon he will get there. 

 

[Gator 17,481]

Lynch has played over 100 games and is in his 7th season.

Check his stats after 44 games and make a comparison.

[Adzman 2,154]

Hogan has one dart, gets rubbed out and has a slowish start and all of a sudden Danniher has flown past him?

This is BS of the highest order. Danniher has played some good footy, but even die hard Essendon fans are still trying to figure out his ceiling. 

Way too early to be writing off Hogan. The kid is the goods.

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

Hogan is a much better player than joe, he's just got off field stuff to deal with 

[Dante 2,739]

Daniher was selected by a club where his family were royalty, Hogan was drafted as an underage player by a club on the other side of the country at a time where is father was extremely ill. Hogan is a year younger has played 31 less games than Daniher and is still ahead of him on all statistics.

Daniher is kicking 2.4 goals a game this year, hardly a star, Jeffy is kicking that many. I'll buy as many Hogan shares you want to sell.

These are the career averages.

Jesse Hogan	Name	Joe Daniher
Melbourne Demons	Team	Essendon Bombers
Forward	Position	Forward
44	Career Games	75
Claremont	Origin	Calder Cannons
February 12, 1995	Date of Birth	March 4, 1994
22yr 2mth	Age	23yr 1mth
195cm	Height	200cm
100kg	Weight	95kg
2012 Mini Draft	Last Drafted In	2012 National Draft
Round 1, Pick #2	Last Draft Position	Round 1, Pick #10
Melbourne Demons	Last Drafted By	Essendon Bombers
Career	Stats for Season	Career
44	Games	75
9.6	Kicks Per Game	7.9
4.6	Handballs Per Game	4.0
14.2	Disposals Per Game	11.9
6.9	Marks Per Game	5.7
2.1	Goals Per Game	1.6
1.3	Behinds Per Game	1.3
1.3	Tackles Per Game	1.2
0.1	Hitouts Per Game	2.1
2.3	Inside 50s Per Game	2.2
0.5	Goal Assists Per Game	0.4
0.9	Frees For Per Game	1.1
0.4	Frees Against Per Game	1.3
5.9	Contested Possessions Per Game	5.2
8.2	Uncontested Possessions Per Game	6.9
9.5	Effective Disposals Per Game	7.8
66.9%	Disposal Efficiency % Per Game	65.5%
1.5	Clangers Per Game	2.7
2.1	Contested Marks Per Game	1.7
2.8	Marks Inside 50 Per Game	2.2
0.2	Clearances Per Game	0.7
0.2	Rebound 50s Per Game	0.3
1.1	One Percenters Per Game	1.7
0.1	Bounces Per Game	0.2
90.1	Time On Ground % Per Game	85.1

[Dante 2,739]

Just for the record here's the Lynch/ Hogan comparison, not a great deal in it and Lynch has a few seasons and 60 games on Jesse.

Player Statistics Comparison

Jesse Hogan Name Tom Lynch Melbourne Demons Team Gold Coast Suns Forward Position Forward 44 Career Games 107 Claremont Origin Dandenong Stingrays February 12, 1995 Date of Birth October 31, 1992 22yr 2mth Age 24yr 5mth 195cm Height 199cm 100kg Weight 98kg 2012 Mini Draft Last Drafted In 2010 National Draft Round 1, Pick #2 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #11 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Gold Coast Suns Career Stats for Season Career 44 Games 107 9.6 Kicks Per Game 9.0 4.6 Handballs Per Game 5.4 14.2 Disposals Per Game 14.4 6.9 Marks Per Game 6.0 2.1 Goals Per Game 1.9 1.3 Behinds Per Game 1.2 1.3 Tackles Per Game 1.7 0.1 Hitouts Per Game 0.8 2.3 Inside 50s Per Game 2.4 0.5 Goal Assists Per Game 0.8 0.9 Frees For Per Game 1.1 0.4 Frees Against Per Game 1.2 5.9 Contested Possessions Per Game 7.4 8.2 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 7.1 9.5 Effective Disposals Per Game 9.6 66.9% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 66.7% 1.5 Clangers Per Game 2.5 2.1 Contested Marks Per Game 2.2 2.8 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 2.4 0.2 Clearances Per Game 0.3 0.2 Rebound 50s Per Game 0.5 1.1 One Percenters Per Game 2.4 0.1 Bounces Per Game 0.1 90.1 Time On Ground % Per Game

[What 18,810]

Daniher is also a year older than Hogan and played 31 more games.

Hogan still shits on him.

Edited April 26, 2017 by Petraccattack

[Wells 11 5,422]

Hogan is developing into an awesome talent. He's going through a lot personally at the moment and thats got to be making an impact. If his body holds up his time will come.  

But Joe Daniher  is a bit of a freak...huge kick, fast and massive mark. Seems almost unstoppable on his day. Being unbiased I think JD is going to be a superstar, I hope Jesse is in the same bracket. 

[dazzledavey36 55,365]

2 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Hogan is developing into an awesome talent. He's going through a lot personally at the moment and thats got to be making an impact. If his body holds up his time will come.  

But Joe Daniher  is a bit of a freak...huge kick, fast and massive mark. Seems almost unstoppable on his day. Being unbiased I think JD is going to be a superstar, I hope Jesse is in the same bracket. 

Gee he looked good yesterday didn't he. That kick he drilled after running down the wing and taking a few bounced was class.

My aunty is related to him. His head looks like road kill though.

[McQueen 17,867]

I fear that Jesse is leading us a merry dance right now. He knows he's got the skills, the potential, the backing of his teammates and the club in general but seriously, who the [censored] in their right mind would travel home to the other side of the country, whilst suspended, to supposedly visit their sick Dad for a few days and then somehow manage to find themselves at a dance party in the Swan Valley smoking darts and looking 3 sheets to the wind or otherwise.?

That is taking the pizz something fierce.

Club is scared of coming down on him too hard for fear of him walking out.

This isn't gonna end well.

[Jara 1,153]

5 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I fear that Jesse is leading us a merry dance right now. He knows he's got the skills, the potential, the backing of his teammates and the club in general but seriously, who the [censored] in their right mind would travel home to the other side of the country, whilst suspended, to supposedly visit their sick Dad for a few days and then somehow manage to find themselves at a dance party in the Swan Valley smoking darts and looking 3 sheets to the wind or otherwise.?

That is taking the pizz something fierce.

Club is scared of coming down on him too hard for fear of him walking out.

This isn't gonna end well.

Unjustifiably negative. "Supposedly" visit his dad? Jeez...

[old dee 23,872]

6 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I fear that Jesse is leading us a merry dance right now. He knows he's got the skills, the potential, the backing of his teammates and the club in general but seriously, who the [censored] in their right mind would travel home to the other side of the country, whilst suspended, to supposedly visit their sick Dad for a few days and then somehow manage to find themselves at a dance party in the Swan Valley smoking darts and looking 3 sheets to the wind or otherwise.?

That is taking the pizz something fierce.

Club is scared of coming down on him too hard for fear of him walking out.

This isn't gonna end well.

Sadly Steve I fear similar.

I can see a trade at the end of 2018. 

[McQueen 17,867]

5 minutes ago, Jara said:

Unjustifiably negative. "Supposedly" visit his dad? Jeez...

Fair call.

I forgot it was a 'leisure-time' break.

[TGR 1,367]

I think Lethal summarised Watts perfectly after his first game...  Having said that, nobody deserves success like JW.

 

I think Lethal summed up Hogan perfectly too a year or two ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[beelzebub 23,383]

5 minutes ago, TGR said:

I think Lethal summarised Watts perfectly after his first game...  Having said that, nobody deserves success like JW.

 

I think Lethal summed up Hogan perfectly too a year or two ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you remind us of the latter ?

[TGR 1,367]

1 hour ago, Dante said:

Just for the record here's the Lynch/ Hogan comparison, not a great deal in it and Lynch has a few seasons and 60 games on Jesse.

Player Statistics Comparison

Jesse Hogan Name Tom Lynch Melbourne Demons Team Gold Coast Suns Forward Position Forward 44 Career Games 107 Claremont Origin Dandenong Stingrays February 12, 1995 Date of Birth October 31, 1992 22yr 2mth Age 24yr 5mth 195cm Height 199cm 100kg Weight 98kg 2012 Mini Draft Last Drafted In 2010 National Draft Round 1, Pick #2 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #11 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Gold Coast Suns Career Stats for Season Career 44 Games 107 9.6 Kicks Per Game 9.0 4.6 Handballs Per Game 5.4 14.2 Disposals Per Game 14.4 6.9 Marks Per Game 6.0 2.1 Goals Per Game 1.9 1.3 Behinds Per Game 1.2 1.3 Tackles Per Game 1.7 0.1 Hitouts Per Game 0.8 2.3 Inside 50s Per Game 2.4 0.5 Goal Assists Per Game 0.8 0.9 Frees For Per Game 1.1 0.4 Frees Against Per Game 1.2 5.9 Contested Possessions Per Game 7.4 8.2 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 7.1 9.5 Effective Disposals Per Game 9.6 66.9% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 66.7% 1.5 Clangers Per Game 2.5 2.1 Contested Marks Per Game 2.2 2.8 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 2.4 0.2 Clearances Per Game 0.3 0.2 Rebound 50s Per Game 0.5 1.1 One Percenters Per Game 2.4 0.1 Bounces Per Game 0.1 90.1 Time On Ground % Per Game

Not complete.

 

I can't see 'Sooks per game'

 

 

 

 

Daniher is more a multidimensional mobile tall for me.  Yes he will have the yips at the set shot, but I like his leap, pace, versitility.

 

That win against us a year ago, he tore us to shreds, unlike Riewoldt who got out on his own for a few cheapies that have been over-glorified IMO.

[Dante 2,739]

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Can you remind us of the latter ?

Maybe it was when he said that Hogan had no skill when the ball hit the ground, that he was a lead up and mark player only, or words to that effect. 

[Demons11 7,060]

29 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I fear that Jesse is leading us a merry dance right now. He knows he's got the skills, the potential, the backing of his teammates and the club in general but seriously, who the [censored] in their right mind would travel home to the other side of the country, whilst suspended, to supposedly visit their sick Dad for a few days and then somehow manage to find themselves at a dance party in the Swan Valley smoking darts and looking 3 sheets to the wind or otherwise.?

That is taking the pizz something fierce.

Club is scared of coming down on him too hard for fear of him walking out.

This isn't gonna end well.

Stupid comment.  So the fact he went home means he can't also socialise with his mates.  

He is a 22 year old kid,  who seems to have a lot going on and having a day out and getting on the beers is not the end of the world. 

How the f..k do you know what happened within the club.  Should they have publicly ridiculed him???

[TGR 1,367]

6 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Can you remind us of the latter ?

In April 2016 he doubted his body type for the modern game.

 

I disagree with Lethal in that he does lead long, but I reckon Lethal doesnt rate his change of direction; and hence his use of angles; nor his capability to produce repeated short burst leading in F50 that opens space behind him.

 

Components of the Hogan package impress me; but the Hogan package itself doesn't.  Something is missing in my book....and Lethal's.

 

 

[Dante 2,739]

1 minute ago, TGR said:

Not complete.

 

I can't see 'Sooks per game'

 

 

 

 

Daniher is more a multidimensional mobile tall for me.  Yes he will have the yips at the set shot, but I like his leap, pace, versitility.

 

That win against us a year ago, he tore us to shreds, unlike Riewoldt who got out on his own for a few cheapies that have been over-glorified IMO.

So you base his excellence on a couple of good games, one against us where he kicked straight for the first and probably only time that year and yesterday. 

He will dominate some games when he has it all his way and the opposition is weak, like us last year and the pies yesterday.

You"ve always liked your multi dimensional mobile talls but can't see the one directly in front of you, Hogan can play as a mid, back, forward, what does that say about his multi dimentionality.

[beelzebub 23,383]

4 minutes ago, TGR said:

In April 2016 he doubted his body type for the modern game.

 

I disagree with Lethal in that he does lead long, but I reckon Lethal doesnt rate his change of direction; and hence his use of angles; nor his capability to produce repeated short burst leading in F50 that opens space behind him.

 

Components of the Hogan package impress me; but the Hogan package itself doesn't.  Something is missing in my book....and Lethal's.

 

 

Ta

I want to think Jesse is the real deal. I do.

As alluded.... Something nqr.

Time will tell.

For some reason it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it all turned on its head.

We aren't privvy obviously ( to what we arent told )

Hope he settles down and fires....hope

[What 18,810]

12 minutes ago, TGR said:

In April 2016 he doubted his body type for the modern game.

 

I disagree with Lethal in that he does lead long, but I reckon Lethal doesnt rate his change of direction; and hence his use of angles; nor his capability to produce repeated short burst leading in F50 that opens space behind him.

 

Components of the Hogan package impress me; but the Hogan package itself doesn't.  Something is missing in my book....and Lethal's.

 

 

Lethals view was that Hogan is a stay at home full forward and cant play up the ground.

Which is total nonsense as Hogan is fantastic up the ground and very mobile.