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2016 Player Review - # 8 Heritier Lumumba

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Biffen
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I'm still too upset about the death of Patrick Swayze to take all this in properly.

SaberFang
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Seriously, what? I'm a "lefty" and I think the bloke's a peanut. I don't see anyone in this thread even remotely suggesting this is a racial debate. And yes, your post probably should be del

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As a rule we need to stop trading for Collingwood players.

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1 hour ago, PaulRB said:

I think Heritier for most of his career defined himself as an outsider who got his motivation and drive from resisting what he rightly saw as a racist and denegrating culture at Collingwood. His exit speech and various racist nick names he had there, plus the whole name change etc... indicate his struggle to redefine himself, oft by seeing himself as some kind of persecuted righteous warrior (a.k.a Ali).

so he arrives at the MFC, is warmly embraced with respect and as a result finds his mojo waning as his normal motivational tools of casting himself as a outsider proving wrong or defeating his real or imagined foes, fails to gain traction.

Its an interesting predicament as he'll be torn between a habitual desire/pattern of casting the outside world as his persecutors, and developing a whole new way of defining and motivating himself that comes from within, ie taking full personal responsibility. 

I wish him well, I suspect it's a tough gig being him at the moment. 

I am not sure that you are right but an interesting and intelligent analysis of his persona.

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58 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

How is he not in breach of his contract ?

because a contract is just a legal device and we all know that in practice legal issues are never black and white and there is always two sides to any legal dispute. lawyers ensure this is immutable. everyone is just trying to avoid this ending up in court where everyone could be a loser in some way lol.

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8 hours ago, daisycutter said:

because a contract is just a legal device and we all know that in practice legal issues are never black and white and there is always two sides to any legal dispute. lawyers ensure this is immutable. everyone is just trying to avoid this ending up in court where everyone could be a loser in some way lol.

I hear what you're saying but ultimately H is breaching the contract by not turning up to work. If I had a contract job and just stopped turning up when I was well enough to, or took holidays to Africa and never came back on time, or needed weeks off to grieve the death of people I don't even know, I would be breaching my contract and it would rightfully be torn up and my salary would cease to enter my bank account.

Of course, things change when you're an overpaid sports figure who can afford lawyers to manipulate unjust outcomes. What H is doing makes my blood boil; the sense of entitlement and sanctimony is pathetic, especially on the type of salary he's on. You'd think being the "worldly" person he is, he might understand just how blessed his life is.

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Brayshaw and Jetta had some pretty serious concussion concerns recently.

Perhaps "H" would be well placed in observing how they dealt with it and how they demonstrated absolute commitment and dedication to the club and to their teammates throughout their recovery periods.

In short, earn your contract extension Heritier - in doing so, you will also earn respect about the place.

This saga beggars belief.

 

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Just now, ManDee said:

He is still on today's 2017 squad.   http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-11-28/the-full-squad-melbournes-2017-list

And he will stay there until there is a resolution. He is still a contracted player and IMO he will be there all year unless there is an agreed pay out figure.

This could go on for months.

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2 hours ago, old dee said:

And he will stay there until there is a resolution. He is still a contracted player and IMO he will be there all year unless there is an agreed pay out figure.

This could go on for months.

Not training doesn't help his cause. 

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I cant see the club standing for his antics. Publicly theyre saying all the right things. Behind doors...well........:unsure:

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1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Not training doesn't help his cause. 

I am not supporting him Mr. leg. I think that the MFC are playing the long game so this could take some time. Especially when it seems he is not taking advice from anyone other than himself.

IMO he has played his last game for both the MFC and Casey and he is now just a name on the list.

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probably played his last SENIOR game for anyone now.

10 foot pole......:unsure:

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Interesting article on the AFL site with regards to the Crows keeping Sam Shaw on the list purely from a welfare perspective.

Obviously the two instances have differences but the overriding message is that if we tried to get Lumumba off the books from a 'not meeting contractual obligations' pov, we could potentially open ourselves up considerably if something does happen with his concussion claims.

Player welfare will always be first and if it takes having him as a non-playing listed player, such as Shaw, to avoid anything coming back on the club then so be it.

 

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15 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Interesting article on the AFL site with regards to the Crows keeping Sam Shaw on the list purely from a welfare perspective.

Obviously the two instances have differences but the overriding message is that if we tried to get Lumumba off the books from a 'not meeting contractual obligations' pov, we could potentially open ourselves up considerably if something does happen with his concussion claims.

Player welfare will always be first and if it takes having him as a non-playing listed player, such as Shaw, to avoid anything coming back on the club then so be it.

 

I agree Steve and we could probably list him as long term injured and use the spot if we desire.

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11 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Brayshaw and Jetta had some pretty serious concussion concerns recently.

Perhaps "H" would be well placed in observing how they dealt with it and how they demonstrated absolute commitment and dedication to the club and to their teammates throughout their recovery periods.

In short, earn your contract extension Heritier - in doing so, you will also earn respect about the place.

This saga beggars belief.

 

Come on --  all too little too late.

Surely most at the club would completely be over him.

 

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1 hour ago, old dee said:

It would appear he is not mentally fit to take the field.

He may never have been mentally fit to take the field.

How the hell would any of us know for sure?

 

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He may never have been mentally fit to take the field.

How the hell would any of us know for sure?

 

There may be more truth to that than even you suspect. I for one don't think Harry would be the only candidate !! :rolleyes:

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