FA & Trade Whispers

[ArtificialWisdom 4,045]

10 minutes ago, stuie said:

Ahhh gotcha, I thought he'd finished his contract and retired. Wasn't there a rule brought in about players retiring to change clubs? Surely this would be part of that somehow?

 

Apparently they checked for AFL approval before making the move. But they could have asked for anything and the AFL would have said yes

[deelete my account 1,194]

10 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

ANB and our 1st round pick next season should get it done

What would his pay check be though? I can see he's on 500k fantasy price. He has comparable stats to Rockliff, but if you consider he's 4 years younger he has a huge upside. I suppose Rockliff/Wines would command 600k+ each to be lured?

2016: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=20&playerStatus2=A&tid2=14&type=A&pid1=3184&pid2=3801&fid1=

same age: 

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=20&playerStatus2=A&tid2=14&type=A&pid1=3184&pid2=3801&fid1=O&fid2=O

Edited October 13, 2016 by DominatrixTyson

[The Chazz 4,077]

15 minutes ago, Felix said:

SEN just said there is some talk around Oli Wines... more to come..

Who is this Wines bloke?  Any been tracking him since he started at Port?

 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Seriously, I don't want Wines.

3 years ago yes.

Now, no.

[old55 23,120]

37 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Interesting that that swap of picks with the Lions now means that GWS have 8 picks going in to the draft. They may well do more trading to reduce this. But the new rule clearly states a club cannot trade and end up with more picks than vacancies on their list. This was to stop the stockpiling of cheap, later picks to use on academy players. And don't GWS have to reduce the number of players on their list next year by 2?

Bit of a gamble, but there might be a GWS give away or fire sale of picks/players with a day to go in the trade period.

GWS have been negotiating trades for Marchbank, Pickett, Hoskin-Elliot, Steele, Stewart, Ahern, Barrett - I don't think list spots is going to be an issue,

[stuie 7,374]

4 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Seriously, I don't want Wines.

3 years ago yes.

Now, no.

Why not?

 

[P-man 13,366]

Is anyone else amused by the amount of rules and intricacies there are to draft and trade these days?

Priority picks, father sons, academies, concessions, zones, points, trading of future picks, restricted and unrestricted free agency, compensation, PSD....you could write a thesis on it.

Edited October 13, 2016 by P-man

[olisik 4,060]

Wines isn't moving, he loves it at Port.

[Redleg 40,472]

58 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

That leaves Brisbane with pick 21 then a gap to pick 78?  And they have to get their Frost deal done.  Does not look promising for getting any meaningful Dunn deal dunn.

Unless a player is involved coming to us.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

A) Because we have too many 'inside strong' mids of his type with very similar attributes

B) Because history suggests that you need attribute diversity and a good mix within your midfield group and  to give yourself the best chance of sustained finals success and ultimately winning a grand final. Proof being Hawthorn and the Dogs this year. 

C) If we're forecasting our chances of winning a flag over the next 3-5 years, look at the teams who we will most likely be competing against. GWS and the Dogs. Both teams are made for modern footy and have a much better balance of running power, skill-level and inside game.

Oli Wines is a player we do not need at this stage of our list development. 

Edited October 13, 2016 by stevethemanjordan

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,284]

Just now, P-man said:

Is anyone else amused by the amount of rules and intricacies there are to draft and trade these days?

Priority picks, father sons, academies, concessions, zones, points, trading of future picks, restricted and unrestricted free agency, PSD....you could write a thesis on it.

You should see what goes on in US sports.

For example, someone traded a player in the NHL for a 3rd round pick, however part of the agreement was that if said player scores more than 15 goals they get the 2nd round pick.

Imagine including those types of clauses- we trade a future 2nd rounder for Hibberd, however if he averages over 20 touches it turns into a first.

[P-man 13,366]

31 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The media seems to be running the line 'poor Collingwood' as the comp picks the AFL have given out make it harder for Coll to get its father/son picks (Brown and Daicos) as those comp picks have reduced the draft points their picks now attract.

Hello, it is the ridiculously generous offers that Collingwood gave Wells and Mayne that caused the AFL comp picks to be so high. 

They only have themselves to blame!  Sheesh!

Haha, good point. I still think clubs being bumped down the draft order as a result of compo picks should retain the points their original picks were worth. As it stands the clubs below are being penalised too much.

Edited October 13, 2016 by P-man

[Pates 9,633]

32 minutes ago, Felix said:

SEN just said there is some talk around Oli Wines... more to come..

Would be a pretty big backflip, he re-signed in feb this year. 

[John Dee 445]

I was under the impression that we cannot trade our 2017 first round pick this year because we traded our 2016 first round pick last year. If this is the case, it is pointless to keep talking about trading it.

[Ted Lasso 18,933]

2 minutes ago, Seraph said:

What is with everyone claiming that we'll just use next years 1st rounder for a player?

We can't use it without special allowance from the AFL as we already used this year's first pick last year. Can't do it 2 years in a row without permission. 

I thought we could providing we used 2 first round picks in a four year period, and given we used 2 in 2015 we should be fine to move that one on?

[Seraph 1,824]

Just now, John Dee said:

I was under the impression that we cannot trade our 2017 first round pick this year because we traded our 2016 first round pick last year. If this is the case, it is pointless to keep talking about trading it.

I thought the same but just checked the rules and you only have to pick twice in 4 years.

Was wrong on my previous post. 

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-12/the-futurepick-puzzle

[John Dee 445]

1 minute ago, Abe said:

I thought we could providing we used 2 first round picks in a four year period, and given we used 2 in 2015 we should be fine to move that one on?

I don't trust the AFL, they make up rules on a whim. I would want it in writing from them that you can count a first round pick more than once in a year.

[ding 5,126]

 

So, when does Wines announce that he wants to be traded to Hawthorn or Geelong?

 

Edited October 13, 2016 by ding

[Garbo 1,505]

Find it odd we are not going after Rockliff over say Hibberd, our 2nd round and Dunn might get it done

[DV8 2,271]

7 hours ago, Pates said:

Interesting. I haven't heard a whole lot about his character. I can understand him wanting out of Brisbane given how terrible they are doing and it also sounds like they are suffering from exactly what we had in previous years, bad management. But if he is a [censored] then yes I wouldn't be as keen to get him, as you say Roos and co have worked very hard to build a team of guys that are all pulling in the same direction. If bringing him would take mean our culture takes a backward step than yes I would agree that we shouldn't chase him. 

I should add though many would argue Jeffy would've fallen into that same category and we got him to buy into our direction and changing culture, so if Goodwin and Viney see the same sort of intent from Tom we shouldn't rule him out.

I don't think Jeffy has bought fully in.

Rocliff maybe just inexperienced in what leadership is?   He can learn.  He is definitely worth thinking about, but not for a 1st Rnd pick.   As redleg said,  a trade & a pick.

 

 

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

ANB and our 1st round pick next season should get it done

How about a straight swap Ollie wines for Jimmy Toumpas, should get it done.......aaah sheesh, hang on

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, DV8 said:

I don't think Jeffy has bought fully in.

Rocliff maybe just inexperienced in what leadership is?   He can learn.  He is definitely worth thinking about, but not for a 1st Rnd pick.   As redleg said,  a trade & a pick.

 

 

Are you suggesting Jeffy hasn't full bought in to the MFC?

[faultydet 7,594]

22 minutes ago, ding said:

 

So, when does Wines announce that he wants to be traded to Hawthorn or Geelong?

 

You know the family don't you?

 

You tell us.

[DV8 2,271]

3 hours ago, billy2803 said:

If Heeney joined Melbourne, I would donate my body to Uncle Bitters to "experiment" on, in any way, manner or fashion that pleased him.

Then he could make another Moonsh.  For all our sakes Billy, don't be a hero !

Edited October 13, 2016 by DV8

[ArtificialWisdom 4,045]

2 minutes ago, Garbo said:

Find it odd we are not going after Rockliff over say Hibberd, our 2nd round and Dunn might get it done

I cant tell if you are undervaluing Rockliff or severely overvaluing Dunn but there is no way in hell that would happen. Dunn has next to no value as an old Defender who cant play modern zone footy, Rockliff is an All Australian midfielder (despite playing in a [censored] team) and a club captain.

People have to realise you have to pay closer to the value of the player to the club he is leaving than the value to the club he is moving to. Rockliff is worth far more to Brisbane than he is to us. Thats why Hawthorn so frquently pays overs for the players they want. If Melbourne wanted Rockliff they would have to pay well overs to get him.