So it begins at Punt Rd...

[Undeeterred 3,127]

7 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I am saying the stress of the whole episode would have contributed to his Cancer...

Wow. Ok. That's a fairly big call.

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

3 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Wow. Ok. That's a fairly big call.

No it's not, there is anecdotal evidence that stress can be a mitigating factor in a person getting cancer

[Adam The God 30,537]

1 hour ago, Tony Tea said:

Several members of those Richmond families barrack for Melbourne.

Eh?

[Sir Why You Little 37,238]

4 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Wow. Ok. That's a fairly big call.

Sure it is. But many cancers start from stress

[Radar Detector 1,347]

1 hour ago, SPC said:

An honorable man would... but then again, Hardwick does not have this quality..  History has shown that once you fail as an AFL Head Coach, then you are thrown on the scrap heap.

What nonsense. I don't know a person alive who would walk away from that contract voluntarily. People on this forum forget that for the coaches and players this is a job, not just a game:

[pitmaster 3,583]

1 minute ago, Satyriconhome said:

No it's not, there is anecdotal evidence that stress can be a mitigating factor in a person getting cancer

Oh yes it is. No medico will ever claim to identify the specific cause/causes of a specific cancer. The most that can be said is that stress may be a predisposing factor.

[Tony Tea 2,809]

3 hours ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

Eh?

I say:

Members of long-standing Richmond families, including the Mandies, the Silks, the Ralphs and the Clemengers, attended the Malvern Hotel dinner along with former club orthopedic surgeon Hayden Morris, doctor David Marsh, private investor Peter Capp, IT executive Leon Davies, senior legal partner Guy O'Connor and businessman Guy Nelson.

[Delusional demon 82 1,197]

"Eat e'm alive tigers!"  (Or is it ...eat your own ...?) 

 

[Delusional demon 82 1,197]

If history teaches us anything... richmond will systematically implode right on cue, just like my ar$ehole does after a meatlovers pizza and a few peroni's

 

[Gorgoroth 13,107]

33 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

ha ha maybe...!

Nah, you were chairing the meeting, weren't you?

 

 

 

or at least a part of it.

[joeboy 3,171]

I've often wondered about the correlation between Craig Cameron's recruiting 'work' with us and his subsequent 'success' rate with The Tigers... he's the common denominator at both teams .

Perhaps someone with more time than me on their hands could plot a graph of hits and misses with recruiting under his watch.. I suspect it won't be flattering.

Edited August 3, 2016 by joeboy

[Biffen 12,947]

3 hours ago, Tony Tea said:

I say:

Members of long-standing Richmond families, including the Mandies, the Silks, the Ralphs and the Clemengers, attended the Malvern Hotel dinner along with former club orthopedic surgeon Hayden Morris, doctor David Marsh, private investor Peter Capp, IT executive Leon Davies, senior legal partner Guy O'Connor and businessman Guy Nelson.

Terrible Pub.

Was run by the Giles family for a long time.

Terrible club also.

 

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

47 minutes ago, pitmaster said:

Oh yes it is. No medico will ever claim to identify the specific cause/causes of a specific cancer. The most that can be said is that stress may be a predisposing factor.

I said anecdotally, ie stories, so I didn't say specifically, I also said mitigating, also if you think the stress of what Bailey went through didn't contribute then it is your opinion whereas myself and SWYL think it possibly contributed to it

[John Demonic 5,870]

The 9/10 winning streak and the last round away v Sydney win to make the 8 remains the highlight of their era. I'll admit, it had me jumping off cheering for the Tiges. They really got ass-raped a week later though 

Edited August 3, 2016 by johndemons

[daisycutter 29,795]

7 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I said anecdotally, ie stories, so I didn't say specifically, I also said mitigating, also if you think the stress of what Bailey went through didn't contribute then it is your opinion whereas myself and SWYL think it possibly contributed to it

well wyl was a bit more definitive e.g. " Sure it is. But many cancers start from stress"

[Nasher 33,617]

Came for the Richmond lolz, stayed for the pseudo-medicine...

[Undeeterred 3,127]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Sure it is. But many cancers start from stress

 

10 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I said anecdotally, ie stories, so I didn't say specifically, I also said mitigating, also if you think the stress of what Bailey went through didn't contribute then it is your opinion whereas myself and SWYL think it possibly contributed to it

That's just wild, ridiculous speculation.

SWYL - linking Dean Bailey's death with Hardwick's decision on whether to carry on coaching is up there with the best nonsense I've heard on this forum. What about Leppitsch? Should he quit, just in case he gets cancer? What about all the other, literally, hundreds of VFL/AFL coaches who have coached through shocking pressure and not got cancer?

Saty - 'Mitigating' means to reduce, not to increase.

[Sir Why You Little 37,238]

2 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

 

That's just wild, ridiculous speculation.

SWYL - linking Dean Bailey's death with Hardwick's decision on whether to carry on coaching is up there with the best nonsense I've heard on this forum. What about Leppitsch? Should he quit, just in case he gets cancer? What about all the other, literally, hundreds of VFL/AFL coaches who have coached through shocking pressure and not got cancer?

Saty - 'Mitigating' means to reduce, not to increase.

Call it what you like mate. 

I am watching a family member go down with The Big C RIGHT NOW & i would bet my house and 2 balls that the 60-70 hour a week job she had for the last 15 years was a very large reason towards her demise. 

The amount of pressure put on Bails during and after his time at The MFC would imo contributed to his later sickness. 

[Trisul 666]

Medical certainty notwithstanding Bailey himself said that he felt the stress surrounding the situation contributed to his cancer.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,934]

Personally, I think we should drop the discussion about cancer, stress and Dean Bailey. The discussion is unedifying, unhelpful and irrelevant to the topic.

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

Just now, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Personally, I think we should drop the discussion about cancer, stress and Dean Bailey. The discussion is unedifying, unhelpful and irrelevant to the topic.

So if posters are discussing whether Hardwick should consider his health in regards whether he continues to coach is irrelevant?

[Sir Why You Little 37,238]

4 minutes ago, Trisul said:

Medical certainty notwithstanding Bailey himself said that he felt the stress surrounding the situation contributed to his cancer.

And if Hardwick sticks around he will be under the hammer daily...

Remember Slobbo writing about Terry Wallace... "Dead Man Walking" headlines

regardless of what you think of the guy just imagine reading that with a bowl of CornFlakes

It's bloodlust. Caro should have kept quiet. 

[daisycutter 29,795]

6 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Call it what you like mate. 

I am watching a family member go down with The Big C RIGHT NOW & i would bet my house and 2 balls that the 60-70 hour a week job she had for the last 15 years was a very large reason towards her demise. 

The amount of pressure put on Bails during and after his time at The MFC would imo contributed to his later sickness. 

a 60-70 hour a week difficult job can cause all sort of lifestyle changes including such things as lack of exercise, poor diet, lack of sleep etc and yes stress. there is no way though that you can single out just stress from other factors of a busy job as the main causative factor 

[Sir Why You Little 37,238]

Just now, daisycutter said:

a 60-70 hour a week difficult job can cause all sort of lifestyle changes including such things as lack of exercise, poor diet, lack of sleep etc and yes stress. there is no way though that you can single out just stress from other factors of a busy job as the main causative factor 

It all adds up tho Daisy....All the factors you bought up are part of the job. 

You reckon Hardwick is sleeping well this week?

[John Demonic 5,870]

Maybe they need to get rid of Brendan Gale, for all of his purported attributes post-footy, what kind of culture does he bring to the table when he was a part of a Richmond side in the 90's that did nothing?

On looking, in 95 and 01, they lost the qualifying finals by over 34 and 70 points. won the semi final the following week by under 20 points, and got belted in the prelims by 89 and 68 respectively

Edited August 3, 2016 by johndemons