POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 19

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,323]

It was good to win. Or perhaps more accurately it was good not to lose?

The match was excruciating.

In the members no one bothered to sing the Club song. (Same as the win against Brisbane last year, which was about as bad.)

I agree with most other posters. Thanks Jacky!!! 

Harmes' turnovers are murder.

I though Omac was OK, And Frosty.

So many passengers ... 

 

 

[In Harmes Way 7,840]

12 minutes ago, Jaded said:

It was one of the most uninspiring, boring, dull, hideous games of football I've ever seen. Was hard to even muster up the energy to cheer, we were so woefully bad. 

But I'm trying to think of some positives, and here they are:

1. We won. For a team that has struggled to win, especially in close games, especially when they are off the boil, and especially when the opposition get in front with minutes to go, we managed to find a way to win and stay in front (just)

2. Watts. See above point. We only managed to do that because Watts stood up, all over the ground, while running himself into the ground. He has been brilliant this year, and today was probably his best game ever. Not on stats, but on heart. He saved our arses, both with his ball use and his hardness and willingness to run. Thank god for Watts!

3. I thought some of our kids had their best games yet, namely Stretch (used it really well, and ran hard), Oscar (much maligned and has the intensity of a baby giraffe, but was good overhead and at ground level) and Frost.

4. We won without practically all of our better players. Bernie was pathetic, Viney quiet, Hogan injured, Jones and Tyson average. Gawn dominated in the ruck, but wasn't quite as good around the ground 

I think we will play a lot better next week. 

You've absolutely nailed it Jaded - this was the first game in a long time that I haven't come home hoarse, because it just wasn't worth yelling about

[Sir Why You Little 37,325]

4 minutes ago, Dante said:

Trenners should play next week.

 

That doesn't fill me with huge amounts of confidence. 

Trenners for all his fighting attributes is still far to slow for senior AFL

[Jaded No More 68,975]

3 hours ago, Undeeterred said:

For all the idiots potting Hogan - did you miss the bit where he literally couldn't run for the entire second half?

He definitely was struggling. He kept pulling up and his knee kept buckling. Thank god he got through the game without doing more damage. 

He had a good first quarter, but once he was injured it was all over for him. 

[Earl Hood 6,148]

53 minutes ago, Red and Bluebeard said:

Getting Hurley would be good, but I think we would still need a 3rd tall forward who can pinch hit in the ruck. Maybe Hulett or Weideman will be that in time ...

Getting talent in would be great but I think we currently have some talented kids and experienced types but really how we work together as a football team is absolute rubbish. I really struggle with why that is the case given we have Roos and a million dollar list of assistant coaches to educate our players. 

[Watts the matter 1,235]

41 minutes ago, olisik said:

Roos said we wouldn't have taken Kelly and with his love for big bodied mids he would've gone Bont. Oliver was also a stretch and look what's happened there. My money is we would've gone Bont

No, Roos has also said Bont wasn't rated top 10.

[Ethan Tremblay 31,261]

May have already been mentioned but in his presser Roos said Watts was one of the best people he's met in footy. Massive rap. Really happy for Watts.

Edited July 31, 2016 by Ethan Tremblay

[beelzebub 23,390]

23 minutes ago, bingers said:

It was good to win. Or perhaps more accurately it was good not to lose?

The match was excruciating.

In the members no one bothered to sing the Club song. (Same as the win against Brisbane last year, which was about as bad.)

I agree with most other posters. Thanks Jacky!!! 

Harmes' turnovers are murder.

I though Omac was OK, And Frosty.

So many passengers ... 

 

 

Good not to lose. Good context and weight.

[ILLDieADemon 804]

This was like the win we had over Brisbane last year around this time of the season. 

Can we dig deep and get another 2 win for the season? 

[Undeeterred 3,127]

34 minutes ago, Jaded said:

He definitely was struggling. He kept pulling up and his knee kept buckling. Thank god he got through the game without doing more damage. 

He had a good first quarter, but once he was injured it was all over for him. 

I haven't seen any of the post match reporting, but it looked like it would have been a massive knock that cause it to bruise/stiffen up.

Don't think they'd have let him go back on if it was structural, or more damage would be done, but the number of people hanging it on him is astonishing in the circumstaces...

[Earl Hood 6,148]

2 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

I haven't seen any of the post match reporting, but it looked like it would have been a massive knock that cause it to bruise/stiffen up.

Don't think they'd have let him go back on if it was structural, or more damage would be done, but the number of people hanging it on him is astonishing in the circumstaces...

Jesse slid into the point post with his knee in the second quarter to take a mark. Got up gingerly, took the kick, stuffed that up and hobbled off the ground. Came back on later but he was hobbling, kicked another set shot point I think but dare I say it he should not have come back on at all. 

[Red and Bluebeard 2,101]

47 minutes ago, bingers said:

It was good to win. Or perhaps more accurately it was good not to lose?

The match was excruciating.

In the members no one bothered to sing the Club song. (Same as the win against Brisbane last year, which was about as bad.)

I agree with most other posters. Thanks Jacky!!! 

Harmes' turnovers are murder.

I though Omac was OK, And Frosty.

So many passengers ... 

I was in the lower section of the Northern stand and there was some problem with the sound, as I could hardly hear the song. Not that I was all that enthusiastic about singing it ...

[Undeeterred 3,127]

Just now, Earl Hood said:

Jesse slid into the point post with his knee in the second quarter to take a mark. Got up gingerly, took the kick, stuffed that up and hobbled off the ground. Came back on later but he was hobbling, kicked another set shot point I think but dare I say it he should not have come back on at all. 

I was there, and watching. My point was that Jaded was talking about how it looked like his knee was buckling etc, and hoping it didn't get more damaged. But yeah, definitely thought he would have just bruised the bone or something.

Edited July 31, 2016 by Undeeterred

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,297]

Petraccas` pass to Kent streaming out of the midfield to the city end was sublime. Probably the highlight of the day other than Watts winning goal. Has elite written all over him, it`s just a matter of 20 or 30 more games under his belt.

[titan_uranus 25,191]

4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

As usual there are those that want to twist events and outcomes to sate their own argument. 

My view has never been its just good enough to win only about winning. 

Its to be able to play football properly and capably in a manner that wins.

Last week we threw away a win because a team had no idea how to. Not a lot changed this week other than we were playing a distinctly undermanned team who play woefully away. We still as a team had no idea how to Play properly or capably and it was purely the efforts of Avery few and especially one that saved us the ignominy ofagain stealing defeat from the jaws of victory. 

If anyone found that game anything other than offensive to the eye then they have very different standards to many of us who found it a deplorable effort as a team. If GC had been a tad better we would have lost again and deservedly so.

We took the 4 points but in as much a sheepish fashion as must be possible. 

Only a small handful of Dees could be justified in being content with effort and outcome and certainly none would have been sitting in the box.

Some folk here have a very skewed appreciation of reality. Matches their ability to present it.

Beelzebub, you wrote this last week:

On 7/25/2016 at 10:01 AM, beelzebub said:

Sue, I certainly understand where a many come from in this respect. I dont for one moment suggest we arent better in many respects however we arent in one major one. The ability to win.

In a game where only one team is victor it becomes  akin to the notion you cant be a little bit pregnant or a little bit dead. You are or you're not. You win or you dont.

At the end of the day only one team takes 4 points and thats all that really counts. Now I use the word counts advisedly as it depicts numeracy. Thats what the ladder is about, numbers..Theres no column for the "in between stuff" 

It would have been a very different discussion had we won because it would have been because we DID find a way to win.. We didnt

 

Your post above on today's game is, IMO, wholly hypocritical. You cannot say when we lose "I don't care if we showed improvement, we didn't win and that's all that matters" but, when we win, say "I don't care that we won, we did it sheepishly and undeservedly". The two don't align. Either you accept that losses can carry positives (because today proves wins can carry negatives), or you maintain that all losses are negative and all wins are positive.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,457]

5 hours ago, Diamond said:

The game plan appeared to be: hand pass frequently, especially to players about to be tackled, kick across the ground at all costs (or backwards), then bomb it into the fifty in a random fashion without picking a player to kick it to. Fumble at all costs, drop as many marks as you can.

Neeld was back in the box today?

[TheOxWhisperer 26]

6 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

There is a point where, if they don't play Hulett or Weideman, it's just plain wrong. Are we terrified that we'll miss out on Dawesy kicking a bag and holding a grab? It's not going to happen. I don't get it. Perhaps I need this logic explained to me

Look at the damaged done to Wattsy by putting him in too early, there is obviously a reason they are not risking first year players in thenjunktime of the season. It will be physical, emotional, maturity etc or combo of a few queries, so why throw the kid in the deep end and then endure years of recuperation a la jack watts. 

 

Besides i like dawesy, you can't begrudge a man for not possessing God/Buddha/Muhammad/Darwin/yze- given talent, he busts his balls every given chance, I know it's painful to watch at times, but you should be angry at talented/lazy players like bernie and Garlett 

[Undeeterred 3,127]

22 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

Petraccas` pass to Kent streaming out of the midfield to the city end was sublime. Probably the highlight of the day other than Watts winning goal. Has elite written all over him, it`s just a matter of 20 or 30 more games under his belt.

That was utter class. Kent was literally standing still and the GC defender still couldn't get close to him.

And the pass to Dawes, where he kicked it almost 50m off the outside of his boot to advantage was probably even better.

[beelzebub 23,390]

55 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Beelzebub, you wrote this last week:

Your post above on today's game is, IMO, wholly hypocritical. You cannot say when we lose "I don't care if we showed improvement, we didn't win and that's all that matters" but, when we win, say "I don't care that we won, we did it sheepishly and undeservedly". The two don't align. Either you accept that losses can carry positives (because today proves wins can carry negatives), or you maintain that all losses are negative and all wins are positive.

I accept nothing of what you suggest. You seem desperate that I do to support your view.Do you dareput anything in context ? I doubt it.

You want so much that we're doing something right it's embarrassing. 

We do probably 70℅ right and30℅ [censored] up

Is that progress.We can't beat anyone of mention and some like yourself trumpet 'fall over wins'against nobody's.

You wish to vault little abilities whilst ignoring that huge Elephant in the room...that we're rubbish ! Good for you.

I ,live in the real world

[Ricky P 757]

4 hours ago, doc roet said:

What irrites me is that we seem to bring our best to games which we are really and knowingly up against it,

yet games against mediocre clubs,we fall away.Got me stumped.

Yeah, I hate it that we bring our best for the big games.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,106]

I was watching on AFL Live from work when I could.  It looked a lot like Watts vs Lynch with a bunch of clowns running around getting in the way.  Those two were basically the only players consistently contributing on both sides. 

Bernie Vince had a disaster.  It wasn't just whenever he touched the ball, but apparently whenever he went near it horrible things happened.  We also saw an epidemic of passing behind the man instead of in front. 

Gawn was impressive with 60 hitouts but needed to get more ball. 

We're finally seeing the genius of Petracca and it's a thing of beauty.  The commentators were raving after the pass to Kent. 

Also nice to see Watts getting recognition for the work he's put in.  The commentary team at one point said he could have had five in the first half if his Mids were able to deliver the ball properly. 

You could see Bernie making the wrong choice with 20 seconds left in the game.  We were screaming for him not to do it (yes, at work).  It was pure agony waiting to see that shot. 

 

4 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Hogan doesn't lead at the ball carrier any more, I'd love to know why.

Maybe because the mids can't hit a leading target? 

Maybe because the gameplan calls for a high bomb to the square? 

[Adam The God 30,631]

18 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Maybe because the gameplan calls for a high bomb to the square? 

Lol. Come on, RM. You think our game plan is centred around high bombs to the square? The disciplined kick when there are no options is to kick it to the top of the square though.

[Deemented Are Go! 3,704]

Ugh.

Watching recording of the game. 

Ugh. 

[Ricky P 757]

3 hours ago, america de cali said:

A many decades old problem for us. Pizz weak losing culture and player hubris  getting above themselves thinking they can mix it with the elites and shun the plebs.  We are the effing plebs.  So if we want  to rise we better learn to win the winnable games first before we tackle  the tough opponents. 

We've beaten every team below us except Essendon and Carlton (who we haven't played yet). We've only beaten one team above us.

[old dee 24,018]

14 minutes ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

Lol. Come on, RM. You think our game plan is centred around high bombs to the square? The disciplined kick when there are no options is to kick it to the top of the square though.

I agree with you AF.

If that was the plan we sure spent a lot of time fiddling about across the half forward line.

It seemed like everyone want to go sideways. Seldom did we take the direct options.