Changes v St Kilda

[Nasher 33,617]

10 minutes ago, Skuit said:

There's a general sentiment here in the Frost/Pedo discussion that Frost has a higher ceiling compared to Pedo who is currently offering slightly more. While I don't necessarily disagree, some food for thought - Pedo has only played 50 or so games and is just into his 6th season without having had a great run at it (and while playing in multiple positions).

He seems to have a lot of the right tools and ranks highly in league contested marks but rather than impact games just pops up here and there. He also seems to be still improving a bit this year after making a decent jump when Roos first came on board. Forgetting his age while also noting the old adage about big men taking longer, is it possible we haven't yet seen Pedo anywhere near his best and it could still all just click at some stage?

Pedersen only has 56 games but he's 29 years old.  His scope for further development is limited, not withstanding his low game count.

Stop-gap player.  I like him and think he'll spend most of this year in the team, but if he makes it to 100 games it's either a fantastic effort, or something has gone very wrong with our developing players (the Kings, Hulett, Weideman etc).

[Nasher 33,617]

3 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Remember this team ?  Paul Roos' first team.

Round 1, 2014

Terlich ~ Frawley ~ Grimes
Dunn ~ T.McDonald ~ Vince
Toumpas ~ Watts ~ Tyson
Bail ~ Fitzpatrick ~ Cross
Byrnes ~ Pedersen ~ Howe
R: Spencer ~ N. Jones ~ Trengove
I/C: Michie ~ M. Jones ~ Kennedy-Harris ~ Georgiou
E: Nicholson ~ Blease ~ Evans

7 of those players played last week.  14 are still on the list, though 6 are currently well off the pace now.  It's been an amazing turnaround.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

7 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Remember this team ?  Paul Roos' first team.

Round 1, 2014

Terlich ~ Frawley ~ Grimes
Dunn ~ T.McDonald ~ Vince
Toumpas ~ Watts ~ Tyson
Bail ~ Fitzpatrick ~ Cross
Byrnes ~ Pedersen ~ Howe
R: Spencer ~ N. Jones ~ Trengove
I/C: Michie ~ M. Jones ~ Kennedy-Harris ~ Georgiou
E: Nicholson ~ Blease ~ Evans

Glorious.

[old55 23,847]

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-04-27/petracca-to-make-afl-debut-against-saints

 “I can’t wait to get out there and get a first tackle and really play to be honest. I’m really lost for words at the moment – I’m just so excited.”

[Skuit 10,031]

24 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Pedersen only has 56 games but he's 29 years old.  His scope for further development is limited, not withstanding his low game count.

Stop-gap player.  I like him and think he'll spend most of this year in the team, but if he makes it to 100 games it's either a fantastic effort, or something has gone very wrong with our developing players (the Kings, Hulett, Weideman etc).

Ev'rybody's talking about
Agism, Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Tagism, Maxigawnism
All I am saying is give Peds a chance

[Gator 18,009]

33 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Glorious.

Yes. 

I was there that day and the opponent was this week's opponent.

There's been quite a change to our best 22 in exactly 50 games. 

[Go the Biff 3,473]

2 hours ago, ProDee said:

Anyone who goes to traIning or regularly posts here knows that Petracca and Brayshaw are very close.  They were drafted together and while their journey has been different they've clearly got a very close bond.  Brayshaw would be desperate to run out with Petracca in his first game.  

I'm not sure if clubs take these things into account, but for many here, including me, there's a feeling that Brayshaw won't share this moment. 

There's some terrific footage of the two of them when the were drafted. The bond was apparent then. Funny buggers taking the pi55 out of each other. They will play a lot of footy together over the next ten years. Like many though, I don't think it will be this week.

For whatever reason, fitness, position being played in, interrupted preparation, Gus is out of form. Not just his lack of involvement, there was the dropped mark, missed handballs. Very un-Brayshaw like. So for mine he goes back to Casey to run into some form. Shouldn't take too long. He's too good a player

On the Frost / Pedo debate I favour Pedersen if it comes to a choice. I've suggested that Frost is way overrated on this forum and have questioned what he brings to the table aside from a lot of chasing. In the past two weeks though he's showed glimpses of what he might offer as a hit-up forward target. His hands though make Dawes look like Dunstall. Hopefully that area of his game will improve with experience and confidence. In comparison I think Pedersen offers an equal contribution forward but is better in the relief ruck role. He works better around the ground and gets back quickly to assist the defence where he has been taking contested marks

We've got 3 "second tall forward" types that each have different shortcomings. If we had one with Dawes' nous and aggression, Frost's pace and athleticism and Pedo's hands and feet you would have a helluva player !

[Skuit 10,031]

55 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Remember this team ?  Paul Roos' first team.

Round 1, 2014

Terlich ~ Frawley ~ Grimes
Dunn ~ T.McDonald ~ Vince
Toumpas ~ Watts ~ Tyson
Bail ~ Fitzpatrick ~ Cross
Byrnes ~ Pedersen ~ Howe
R: Spencer ~ N. Jones ~ Trengove
I/C: Michie ~ M. Jones ~ Kennedy-Harris ~ Georgiou
E: Nicholson ~ Blease ~ Evans

Then scratch Fitzy and Tmac after quarter time? To add to Jamar, Clark, Hogan, Dawes & Gawn already on the sidelines . . .

[dazzledavey36 55,983]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Remember this team ?  Paul Roos' first team.

Round 1, 2014

Terlich ~ Frawley ~ Grimes
Dunn ~ T.McDonald ~ Vince
Toumpas ~ Watts ~ Tyson
Bail ~ Fitzpatrick ~ Cross
Byrnes ~ Pedersen ~ Howe
R: Spencer ~ N. Jones ~ Trengove
I/C: Michie ~ M. Jones ~ Kennedy-Harris ~ Georgiou
E: Nicholson ~ Blease ~ Evans

Yuk

[Allen Jakovich 516]

Anyone who thinks Pedo is getting dropped this week has rocks in their head. Integral part of our success the last few weeks.

[CBDees 3,167]

4 hours ago, Go the Biff said:

We've got 3 "second tall forward" types that each have different shortcomings. If we had one with Dawes' nous and aggression, Frost's pace and athleticism and Pedo's hands and feet you would have a helluva player !

Let me introduce you to MFC-listed player number 43, Mr Sam Weideman!

Edited April 28, 2016 by CBDees

[old dee 24,028]

5 hours ago, Nasher said:

Pedersen only has 56 games but he's 29 years old.  His scope for further development is limited, not withstanding his low game count.

Stop-gap player.  I like him and think he'll spend most of this year in the team, but if he makes it to 100 games it's either a fantastic effort, or something has gone very wrong with our developing players (the Kings, Hulett, Weideman etc).

I do too Nasher.

If his form holds up I would not be surprised if  he got another 1 year deal for 2107.

The guys you list above are going to take a little time.

I think 2018 is the time they should be ready to shoulder the load.

[mo64 5,886]

9 minutes ago, old dee said:

I do too Nasher.

If his form holds up I would not be surprised if  he got another 1 year deal for 2107.

The guys you list above are going to take a little time.

I think 2018 is the time they should be ready to shoulder the load.

I'd be shocked if Pedersen wasn't offered another 1 year deal for 2017. The developing key forwards look miles off being regular senior players. Weideman looks like the most likely talent wise, but he looks like he needs another 12 months before you'd consider him AFL ready.

[Nasher 33,617]

16 minutes ago, old dee said:

I do too Nasher.

If his form holds up I would not be surprised if  he got another 1 year deal for 2107.

The guys you list above are going to take a little time.

I think 2018 is the time they should be ready to shoulder the load.

Agreed.  At this stage I'd be expecting Pedersen to going around again in 2017 for sure - I can't see the baby forwards at Casey having permanently displaced him before that.  The club would be hoping Weideman or Hulett would be pushing for selection in the back end of this season though and a semi-regular part of the team by next year.    

 

[beelzebub 23,390]

Can someone refresh my memory. Where was Gus playing through the NAB ?

[Skuit 10,031]

16 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Can someone refresh my memory. Where was Gus playing through the NAB ?

100% in the middle. He only left the center-square once throughout the whole NAB.

[Redleg 42,042]

3 minutes ago, Skuit said:

100% in the middle. He only left the center-square once throughout the whole NAB.

To go to the toilet. 

[Pates 9,686]

Shame we're not seeing Gus out there with Tracca but can't wait to see him tear it up!

[SaberFang 7,151]

25 minutes ago, Pates said:

Shame we're not seeing Gus out there with Tracca but can't wait to see him tear it up!

Strategic in a way. Gus will be hellbent on getting back in now so he can play with his mate.

[CHF 2,817]

With regard to Pedersen, I think he brings a lot to the team at present and like the way that the coaching team send him down the back every now and then. it seems to be a tactic we employ a lot. one of the forward talls go down there as a floating free man. Either Hogan, Watts or Pedersen get back there and it still leaves us with a strong tall presence up forward.

Get another 44 games into him and turn him out to stud.

[What 18,810]

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Can someone refresh my memory. Where was Gus playing through the NAB ?

 

He played about 10 seconds of the NAB up

[Adzman 2,154]

Anyone else think Oliver was stiff to miss? Rested, and his spot is gone. I knew Matt Jones would struggle to get back in after being rested for general soreness but Oliver hasn't put a foot wrong yet and has been our best tackler.

[titan_uranus 25,209]

20 hours ago, Moneider96 said:

Amazed no one is recommending Kennedy for the chop. He has been ordinary for a few weeks now. Would have to come close. 

A few weeks? No way. I think his worst game was the Richmond game but I thought his first month was solid.

The kind of role he's playing, though, he needs to keep his impact high (ditto Petracca, Bugg, Harmes, Hunt and Wagner) because the competition for spots is high. But I don't think he's done a lot wrong so far.

[monoccular 17,697]

4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Can someone refresh my memory. Where was Gus playing through the NAB ?

 

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

 

He played about 10 seconds of the NAB up

Which may well explain why he is, at the moment, NQR.

He will be back with a vengeance sometime soon.  

Maybe his knee still isn't 100% as well as general fitness.

Far too good to be out for any other reason.

[Pates 9,686]

18 minutes ago, Adzman said:

Anyone else think Oliver was stiff to miss? Rested, and his spot is gone. I knew Matt Jones would struggle to get back in after being rested for general soreness but Oliver hasn't put a foot wrong yet and has been our best tackler.

Nope, was laughed at when I said it but I feel like they are really trying to ease the pressure on our young players.