Changes v Richmond

[Dees2014 2,377]

3 hours ago, small but forward said:

Given we've got so few injuries (touch wood), I reckon this thread should focus on who's our best 22 and how do we get from our side on the weekend to the best 22 without disrupting the team. We're all aligned that anyone dropped from the weekend is rough; but ultimately see half a dozen possible changes that could make us better. If we're going to do well in a difficult 2nd half of the season draw, we need to have a gelled team playing well together asap. 

I agree completely. We should be moving asap towards our best 22 and stay with it as long as we are able. Petracca is certainly in our best 22. Weideman will be second half of the year. As are Brayshaw, Trengove, Dunn, Lumumba, Garlett, Oliver. The task for the selectors is to move to that asap. End of story.

Others will have to make way. There are several who will be unlucky in this: M. Jones, Harmes, Hunt, Pederson, Garland maybe even Vanders and Frost. I would also like to see Jake (once he gets over his injuries) and Max in tandem  like last year's game against the Cats, although I know it will depend on match ups. 

We need to become as ruthless as the Hawthorns of this world, which means we have good players playing in the twos. The Hawks have been doing it for years, and most of those players stay on because they hope to play in a premiership. Hawthorn have also been the biggest beneficiary of free agents, because they are the club of choice. 

Melbourne can and will get there, but it means a large dose of objectivity, and a willingness to make ruthless decisions.

By the way, I think the MFC management shows every sign of adopting this. Perhaps a few of us posters need to as well.

 

Edited April 18, 2016 by Dees2014

[stuie 7,374]

12 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

I agree completely. We should be moving asap towards our best 22 and stay with it as long as we are able. Petracca is certainly in our best 22. Weideman will be second half of the year. As are Brayshaw, Trengove, Dunn, Lumumba, Garlett, Oliver. The task for the selectors is to move to that asap. End of story.

Others will have to make way. There are several who will be unlucky in this: M. Jones, Harmes, Hunt, Pederson, Garland maybe even Vanders and Frost. I would also like to see Jake (once he gets over his injuries) and Max in tandem  like last year's game against the Cats, although I know it will depend on match ups. 

We need to become as ruthless as the Hawthorns of this world, which means we have good players playing in the twos. The Hawks have been doing it for years, and most of those players stay on because they hope to play in a premiership. Hawthorn have also been the biggest beneficiary of free agents, because they are the club of choice. 

Melbourne can and will get there, but it means a large dose of objectivity, and a willingness to make ruthless decisions.

By the way, I think the MFC management shows every sign of adopting this. Perhaps a few of us posters need to as well.

 

Been asleep since Roos has taken over coaching?

Culture. Culture. Culture.

Building a competitive team culture means genuine competition for spots, picking the players that are performing so that everyone is trying to get to the peak of their abilities.

The days of picking a team based on talent and draft position went out a few years ago.

THAT is what genuine ruthlessness is and it is exactly what the MFC management has adopted.

 

[stuie 7,374]

5 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

Considerations:

• Our bottom seven ranked players in terms of Supercoach were Hunt 40, Oliver 41, Brayshaw 57, Lumumba 62, Kennedy 64, Matt Jones 65 and Dunn 69.

So what? Is Roos picking an AFL team or a Supercoach team?

 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

Just now, stuie said:

So what? Is Roos picking an AFL team or a Supercoach team?

 

Where have you been Stu? I've missed your subtlety in responding to other posters.

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, Bitter but optimistic said:

Where have you been Stu? I've missed your subtlety in responding to other posters.

Just pacing myself out. Going for the helping hand approach these days..

 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

3 minutes ago, stuie said:

Just pacing myself out. Going for the helping hand approach these days..

 

Very humanitarian of you Stu - perhaps you go and help some earthquake victims?

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Very humanitarian of you Stu - perhaps you go and help some earthquake victims?

Hundreds dead. Of course that's where your "humour" would choose to go.

 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

2 minutes ago, stuie said:

Hundreds dead. Of course that's where your "humour" would choose to go.

 

Now don't be like that Stu - mates can say these things. Wink wink , nudge , nudge.

Anyway the dees won so it's Fox footy for me

[Maple Demon 449]

3 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Now don't be like that Stu - mates can say these things. Wink wink , nudge , nudge.

Anyway the dees won so it's Fox footy for me

Didn't think I'd ever see you willingly watch Robbo. You must be happy after the win!

[Biffen 12,949]

20 minutes ago, stuie said:

Hundreds dead. Of course that's where your "humour" would choose to go.

 

Too soon.

Your personal instability is far more entertaining.

[The Backyard Charizard 1,202]

9 hours ago, H_T said:

Were you the one Hackett nipple crippled?

 

Yeah mate, that was me...

He went for the reach around but I, did as all good footballers do, and just managed to lift the arms up and should've really got a free for "too high" 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

44 minutes ago, Maple Demon said:

Didn't think I'd ever see you willingly watch Robbo. You must be happy after the win!

Just back  Mable- for a moment, I have other matters to attend to. However, I can confirm that Robbo is still, quite simply, an absolute [censored]!!

[picket fence 17,991]

Cut to the chase Matt Jones OUT and unfortunately the dubutant Hunt OUT 

Two changes thats it and for Bernie and Jeffy if fit! The only other variable if Jeffy still out might be to unleash the Petracca Attacker TM. same outs would then prevail!

[junk 342]

Getting game time into young players is a good idea,so whoever gets dropped would be unfortunate. Hunt and Harmes were backup mids for Petracca and Brayshaw,oh boy how fortunate are the Dees. Hunt will win a Rising Star Award this year.

[dazzledavey36 55,912]

Just now, Peter Griffen said:

I'll start this by saying i am against this happening, but...

Sam Weiderman has been pretty consistently good so far, does he come into calculations from this point on? 

No..

Why the rush? Pedersen Hogan Watts and maybe Frost if he keeps his form up are all playing good footy. Let him continue to develop and get use to the bigger bodies of the VFL.

It is such a pleasure knowing we don't have to rush a talented 1st round pick into our team rather that he actually develop his game properly and build his body without the hype and pressure.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

38 minutes ago, ENYAW said:

Getting game time into young players is a good idea,so whoever gets dropped would be unfortunate. Hunt and Harmes were backup mids for Petracca and Brayshaw,oh boy how fortunate are the Dees. Hunt will win a Rising Star Award this year.

I believe there's only one.

[In Harmes Way 7,840]

I've just watched the replay and I'd have to say that as much as I love Brayshaw, I don't think he had that good a game. Not sure he's 100% at the minute and wouldn't be surprised if he's dropped. Whilst Bugg had some good numbers, I thought he butchered a couple as well - these would be the two changes I'd make for Vince and Garlett

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,477]

Not "changes" related but not starting a new thread. 

2 things I really want to see. 

Dustin Martin try the fend of on Viney or Vince and get driven into the turf.

Our players not getting sucked into the Richmond's tactic of winning the ball at a stoppage then running with their head into a player/players in a bid to draw a free kick.

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

On 4/18/2016 at 9:23 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

No..

Why the rush? Pedersen Hogan Watts and maybe Frost if he keeps his form up are all playing good footy. Let him continue to develop and get use to the bigger bodies of the VFL.

It is such a pleasure knowing we don't have to rush a talented 1st round pick into our team rather that he actually develop his game properly and build his body without the hype and pressure.

It's not a rush, he's kicked what 4,4 and 3 in the praccie game and the first 2 real ones? he's going along well, and still very much building into it. 

i initially didn't think we'd see him much if at all this season due to not being as physically developed as he might need to be for AFL, but if his form continues at some point in the very near future they are going to have to seriously look at him. 

[spirit of norm smith 16,617]

Danger game this week... our heads get inflated after a win. Game v Bombers showed not to just "turn up".

ins... Vince and Garlett

out... Hunt and Oliver

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

Lumumba played 20 min of atrocious football when Brayshaw was off the ground getting Concussion tested. He was placed in the centre at stoppages and clearances after goals. He was responsible for stuffing up clearances that directly was accountable for magpie goals.

Provided Vince comes back that shouldn't happen again, and he should be sent to the wing.

 

Brayshaw still wasn't his dominating self of last year. He might be just going through the 2nd year blues.

Hunt had a very good 1st game, I'd give him 3 games to settle in.

Wagner has improved a lot with the NAB Challenge and a couple of games under his skin.

I am inclined to rest Clarrie and bring in ANB.

Michie is knocking on the Door, Petracca is also about ready. Weideman should be OK for the back half of the year.

 

A lot of  ifs but not a bad scenario.

 

 

[jnrmac 20,276]

4 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said:

Lumumba played 20 min of atrocious football when Brayshaw was off the ground getting Concussion tested. He was placed in the centre at stoppages and clearances after goals. He was responsible for stuffing up clearances that directly was accountable for magpie goals.

Provided Vince comes back that shouldn't happen again, and he should be sent to the wing.

 

Brayshaw still wasn't his dominating self of last year. He might be just going through the 2nd year blues.

Hunt had a very good 1st game, I'd give him 3 games to settle in.

Wagner has improved a lot with the NAB Challenge and a couple of games under his skin.

I am inclined to rest Clarrie and bring in ANB.

Michie is knocking on the Door, Petracca is also about ready. Weideman should be OK for the back half of the year.

 

A lot of  ifs but not a bad scenario.

 

 

You must have been watching a different game to me. 

[Ron Burgundy 8,588]

Don't know who to drop.

But Vince and Garlett are automatic ins.

 

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

On 4/18/2016 at 10:14 PM, Ron Burgundy said:

Don't know who to drop.

But Vince and Garlett are automatic ins.

 

Right now our group of auto selections would imo be Vince, N.jones, Watts, Hogan, Mcdonald, Gawn, Viney, Garlett those guys will always be picked even if it means dropping someone who may be a bit unlucky

[monoccular 17,653]

10 hours ago, FireOath said:

Why?

 

Should we just play him every week and run him into the ground while there are players fit and ready to come in?

 

Give him a taste and let him want it more. Give him a rest.

Presumably the "him" here is Oliver   

All those who advocate him being "given a rest" is that a genuine rest, or a game at VFL?

8 hours ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Yeah i just saw this too, does anyone know when it happened? must have been late, i could swear i saw him a few times in the 4th

Could Brayshaw's "concussion" be code for giving him a full week off rom training and maybe playing?  A good "excuse" for making space for a chastened Vince to return.

5 hours ago, Peter Griffen said:

I'll start this by saying i am against this happening, but...

Sam Weiderman has been pretty consistently good so far, does he come into calculations from this point on? 

I am sure he will "come into calculations" but unless and until injury forces the issue I suspect that he will stay at Casey to "learn his trade".