Jesse Hogan and his kicking for goal (merged thread)

[Mazer Rackham 14,970]

9 minutes ago, Franky_31 said:

Ive seen him kick across his body in play from 50 or more although I cant remember if they were accurate. I think its the set shot thats shorter.

 

His first goal on Sunday was kicked from about 48.

[Biffen 12,398]

4 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

It's not the length matters it's how he uses it. 

He is fairly shaky in his approach but young guys can lack the style needed to penetrate.  

His action will firm up as he gains confidence.ive no doubt he can become a dead eye Richard.

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19 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

It's not the length matters it's how he uses it. 

Ain't that the truth 

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2 hours ago, Ted Fidge said:

His first goal on Sunday was kicked from about 48.

Further evidence it's technique, as opposed to power.

Pretty annoying and embarrassing hearing KB say that Boyd, Moore and Daniher may go past Hogan because of his kicking.  He's an excellent field kick and we all know he's accurate, but the broader footy community think he can't kick.

[Bossdog 2,002]

It's funny how the football purists attack when anything is different.

I don't care what his run up looks like as long as he kicks 'em

His last three paces are pretty smooth and last years 44.19 is much better average that most goal kickers.

His miskicks affect his distance not his accuracy that I have observed.   

[sue 8,473]

6 hours ago, Ted Fidge said:

His first goal on Sunday was kicked from about 48.

and probably would have gone through at 55m or so

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

a bit of honest dialogue please folks. His run up on sunday was different to last year and was extremely poor. He will not have an acceptable kicking efficiency if it remains that way. it needs to be rectified and im sure the club will be looking in to it. This site borders on a cult sometimes with the blind allegiance to narratives purely becuase its a melbourne football club player mentioned

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11 hours ago, ProDee said:

Further evidence it's technique, as opposed to power.

Pretty annoying and embarrassing hearing KB say that Boyd, Moore and Daniher may go past Hogan because of his kicking.  He's an excellent field kick and we all know he's accurate, but the broader footy community think he can't kick.

even better.

jesse hogan is one of those players who thrives on a chip on the shoulder n proving hes the best.

like mj. when commentators said drexler? was better cause he was much better 3 pointer shooter, mj came out and drained 5 treys in the first quarter of that final.

 

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7 hours ago, jacey said:

even better.

jesse hogan is one of those players who thrives on a chip on the shoulder n proving hes the best.

like mj. when commentators said drexler? was better cause he was much better 3 pointer shooter, mj came out and drained 5 treys in the first quarter of that final.

 

I completely agree.

Hogan is tremendously competitive.  He won't want this sort of speculation dragging on and he'll do what's necessary to put it to bed.  If he doesn't, I've misread him.

[Mad_Melbourne 872]

3 minutes ago, ProDee said:

I completely agree.

Hogan is tremendously competitive.  He won't want this sort of speculation dragging on and he'll do what's necessary to put it to bed.  If he doesn't, I've misread him.

It just depends what you think is necessary to put it to bed, im guessing that in your opinion it will be to change his run up completely?
In order to put these issues to bed, he needs to go back to what he was doing last year (which still includes the stutter step) and ensure that his set shot performance is equally as good/ if not better.

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8 minutes ago, Mad_Melbourne said:

It just depends what you think is necessary to put it to bed, im guessing that in your opinion it will be to change his run up completely?
In order to put these issues to bed, he needs to go back to what he was doing last year (which still includes the stutter step) and ensure that his set shot performance is equally as good/ if not better.

In January 2014 I noted a half dozen posters who followed me around like a puppy dog to complain at every conceivable opportunity.  I only looked at it recently (didn't know what it was until I opened it) and saw your name on it.  It surprised me, because I'm not that familiar with you as a poster.  But there you go, you're a heel nipper.

I don't mind the stutter as long as his last few strides are fluid, but the ball hold and swaying it from his left leg to right leg in a staccato fashion doesn't help him build momentum and in my view won't help his confidence.

But if you don't care, or disagree, bully for you.

[Mad_Melbourne 872]

4 minutes ago, ProDee said:

In January 2014 I noted a half dozen posters who followed me around like a puppy dog to complain at every conceivable opportunity.  I only looked at it recently (didn't know what it was until I opened it) and saw your name on it.  It surprised me, because I'm not that familiar with you as a poster.  But there you go, you're a heel nipper.

I don't mind the stutter as long as his last few strides are fluid, but the ball hold and swaying it from his left leg to right leg in a staccato fashion doesn't help him build momentum and in my view won't help his confidence.

But if you don't care, or disagree, bully for you.

lol, life must be moving pretty sweet for you in order to note posters who disagree with you on a forum down. I am not following you around, I enjoy reading your opinion as it is often different and like to try and draw a debate and explanation out of you, or possibly allow you to view things from a different perspective.

I agree, the issue with his kicking on the weekend was the ball drop, he has always had an awkward ball drop, all I am saying is that i disagree with most of the conception on here that his run up effects his kicking, when he could be doing six backflips and rolling on the ground as long as his last 4 steps were straight and fluent it wouldn't matter. But again, fixing issues such as ball drop and kicking motion are nearly impossible if not addressed early (talking 16s) other wise muscle memory is pretty tough to overcome.

(Side note: January 2014 would probably be Jack Watts threads, im guessing as your opinion on him is very contrast to mine)

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On 14 March 2016 at 0:52 PM, Lucifer's Hero said:

The Ox got a bit carried away with this: Former Melbourne forward David Schwarz has hit out at young gun Jesse Hogan, calling his kicking for a goal "a disgrace" and saying that it could cost the young forward "$400,000 a year"

 http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/melbourne-demons-jesse-hogans-goalkicking-a-disgrace-david-schwarz-20160313-gni1ys.html#ixzz42q0gR2je

 

Disgrace?  Really?  Sure Jesse's technique could be more effective but to think it will affect his contract is a bit of OTT hyperbole from the Ox!

If Ox is so concerned, and the true Demon at heart, how about offering to help him, not just criticizing?  A quite uncharacteristic outburst   

On 14 March 2016 at 2:07 PM, Deespicable said:

Ok, so if he deems the contest is over when he spills a mark, how did he kick it off the ground so quickly for a goal or snag one from 40m after the ball spilled his way?

Jesse is what every club needs - a star - and that means he won't do all the team things all the time and he'll drop the odd mark and be shitted off with himself like he was on Sunday - but you wear this because he can do the miraculous and is arrogant and what great side of the past did not have a healthy does of arrogance.

As to his kicking, his stutter run-up was also under the microscope last year and once it was brought to his attention he worked on his routine and fixed it. Jesse is a very accurate kick, he's just not a thumping kick like Neiter. He'll be embarrassed by his set shots on Sunday and will solve it by the time we play GWS. 

Like the fantastic second effort with the amazing handball to ?Kent for a great lifting goal?

On 14 March 2016 at 2:57 PM, sue said:

Yes he got that one. But there was another one where the ball spilt towards the boundary line and he expressed his frustration but didn't chase it.  Probably could not have got to it, but certainly wasn't going to get to it unless he tried.   I am a bit worried that all the hype is going to his head. Let's hope not.

Hopefully a one off, off day that everyone has.  

[Uncle Fester 2,835]

Whatever the kicking style... I loved him kicking the goal off the ground and instead of celebrating he looked at his hands, shook his head and swore. He will be fine. A man like that won't let himself go backwards.

[Slartibartfast 15,953]

Did quite a lot of goal kicking today at training.  Looked good with not much stutter and most hit their target.

[KingDingAling 3,614]

He's give Schwarz a nice whack. Onya Jesse, keep it up.

[Ted Lasso 17,052]

On 3/15/2016 at 0:45 PM, ProDee said:

Further evidence it's technique, as opposed to power.

Pretty annoying and embarrassing hearing KB say that Boyd, Moore and Daniher may go past Hogan because of his kicking.  He's an excellent field kick and we all know he's accurate, but the broader footy community think he can't kick.

Kb has lost the plot, Hogan led the league in contested marks last year and kicked slighly less goals, then all three of them combined in his first year.

[picket fence 15,450]

Stop Start, START STOP, Shuffle,Dosy Do, shuffle stop start run in at angle and ..... Fudge it!

Coaching staff have thier work cut out rectifying this shizen approach at goal!

It would want to improve FAST! A Key forward with inconsistent set shot routine can be game changing! And not in a positive way!

Edited August 14, 2016 by picket fence

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Pickett loves starting his own threads on topics that have been covered many times!

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2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Stop Start, START STOP, Shuffle,Dosy Do, shuffle stop start run in at angle and ..... Fudge it!

Coaching staff have thier work cut out rectifying this shizen approach at goal!

It would want o improve FAST!

Shocking approach to goal. Under 11's type run up. Pretty bad.

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1 minute ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

Pickett loves starting his own threads on topics that have been covered many times!

Oh Ok, Nasher, happy for you to merge if so! if not let it run , see where it goes ! Legitimate thread with concerns I would have thought!

Ta, Fence!

Edited August 14, 2016 by picket fence

[The Backyard Charizard 1,178]

Maybe he listens to an old classic on his headphones during the warm up...

Morris Minor & The Majors - Stutter Rap

 

[picket fence 15,450]

He would be wise to watch Peter Mc Kenna's Flawless goal kicking routine , who for mine was the most dead eye, natural precision goal kicker in History. Hardly ever missed from any distance, on any angle! A genious!! 

And could kick effortlessly 60 M 

Also, a great fellow!

Edited August 14, 2016 by picket fence

[John Demonic 4,867]

Edited August 14, 2016 by johndemons

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He should watch (and emulate) Jacky!!